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This is a pet peeve of mine, so I'm just going to say it. Life Teen is two words. It's not "lifeteen," "LifeTeen," and it's certainly not "Teenlife" (I'm not trying to pick on you, OOT, I just used to get that a lot when I was ym). LIFE TEEN. Look it up on their website if you don't believe me. Whew! Thanks for allowing me that!Okay, second, OOT is not so different from many others, including myself. Before I began teaching Life Teen, I had a horrible impression of it. I'd read all sorts of awful things about it, saw blogs ranting about it, saw fb groups devoted to poking fun at it. The truth is that Life Teen is actually very orthodox. I appreciated that they emphasized traditional devotions like the rosary, observances of traditional feasts, stations of the cross, and adoration. Adoration is really a big deal in Life Teen. The problem is that its execution is sometimes poor. If you've seen a poorly executed Life Teen, it's not because the material or prgramming is bad, it's because the leaders may not know what they're doing and probably aren't using the materials correctly. OOT, not to be harsh, but it sounds to me like you haven't even visited the Life Teen website, talked to a Life Teen youth minister, youth group member, or really anyone who might support it and see the benefit of it. And no. Agape does not count. If you want a fair, balanced view of Life Teen you need to seek out someone in REAL LIFE that can tell you something about it. Maybe even visit a Life Night yourself or ask to look over the materials. Have you ever considered that <gasp /> SH might be wrong about it??Agape, I'm so glad you had a great experience with it and learned a solid grounding in your faith because of it. I bet you had fantastic, dynamic and orthodox leaders! Also, I'm always impressed with the simplicity of your comments. They're really not often more than what the Church teaches stated very plainly. Sometimes I feel like you miss my point, but I appreciate your presence on this board.And I want to add that I didn't call anyone on this board a heretic. Everyone knows what a cafeteria Catholic is - someone who chooses which doctrines to follow and ignores the rest. I was pointing out that a cafeteria Catholic is really a heretic. I don't know any of you personally and I have no idea if you believe in the Real Presence but think confession is silly. Or believe in the primacy of the seat of Peter, but think women should be ordained. If you do those things, you might be a heretic... But I really can't tell you that.