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F/U: The IOU

During lunch this afternoon, H mentioned something about if anyone had asked about what I got for Christmas. I held my tounge and my breath for a few minutes and finally had to tell him that I had cried when my boss asked me about my Christmas gift yesterday morning (leave me alone, I'm PMSing and my mom and dad had just left lol).

I told him I was grateful for the body wash, hand soap and massage oil and the massage that resulted from the oil, but that I was a little upset about the re-gifted stocking stuffers and the IOU for a dog I don't want and we don't need. I made a slip up about saying that bath stuff is kind of a fallback gift for women everywhere and I would have been much happier with something a little more personalized (and something he wasn't going to use - he keeps requesting a massage with the oil and has been washing his hands non-stop because he loves the soap so much).

When I brought up the re-gifted candy from his boss as a stocking stuffer he said it was a "gag gift"...? *sigh* If he hadn't told me it was what his boss had given him and if he hadn't opened the bag of candy and eaten all of the reeses cups and peanut butter santas and only left me with 3 Muskateers Mint minis - I probably wouldn't be too upset about this.

I pissed him off. He barely talked to me for the rest of my lunch break (I went home for lunch) and I was crying because I felt like a horrible person. I've never complained about a gift - I wasn't TRYING to complain about a gift. Most people I talked to about this said I needed to tell him that I hope next year is better so I don't end up disappointed year after year. I still feel like a cvnt.

I suck.
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  • No, you don't.  If my H can handle being told that I didn't like my ENGAGEMENT RING he can handle being told that his gifts are crap.
  • You don't suck.  He just needs to man up and realize that he gave you some crappy gifts.  It's natural for him to be hurt and withdraw in the moment, but hopefully he'll realize that you're right.
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  • Here's how this would go in my house:

    - You try to be honest and share your feelings.
    - H gets mad because you upset him.
    - H continues to be mad because he's still upset but secretly in his heart of hearts he realizes that he is at fault, and this makes him mad at himself which is easier to take out on you.
    - H apologizes for sucking and says he's glad you told him how you felt and that he promises to do better next time.

    Luckily for me we usually get through all those pretty quickly, so I hope your H can hurry up and move on to step 4 soon.
  • Aw, I'm sorry :(  His feelings were hurt that you didn't like his gifts... but, really, they were crappy gifts!  He'll get over it, and he'll remember it next year by buying you something more personal that you want. 

    For our first Christmas as a couple, B got me a waffle iron.  I made fun of him for it for the rest of the year, and have been getting much better gifts ever since!  :)
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  • Poor LDY. I don't think you are a terrible person. You just told him the truth. Guys have a hard time shopping and picking out things we really want sometimes. Hell, I even have trouble for my H. This was our first Christmas, too, and we just gave each other a list of what we would liked to of had. That worked for us. I agree with the other folks about expressing some more specific things you want next year.

    Does he normally do well with your bday presents and things like that?
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    [QUOTE]You don't suck.  He just needs to man up and realize that he gave you some crappy gifts.  It's natural for him to be hurt and withdraw in the moment, but hopefully he'll realize that you're right.
    Posted by danieliza1127[/QUOTE]

    This exactly. He probably (should) feels mad at himself right now because now he knows how you really feel about the gifts he gave you. And you should feel better for telling him.
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  • It's not surprising that he would get defensive and shut down.  I hate to generalize, but from my experience with men (boyfriends, friends, co-workers, family members) that's what they do right off the bat when they feel like they're being criticized.  Give him some time to realize you weren't attacking him, just trying to keep the lines of communication open and honest.

    I mean, it's kind of like sex, right?  If you don't speak up and say what you want you may be unsatisfied for a long time.
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  • You aren't a cvnt in the slightest. He's probably not mad at you, just ashamed at himself and he's not channeling it correctly.

    It's good to be honest with him. It's better than sucking it up, ya know?
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  • Ok, I also read your previous posts on Holiday Confessions, and I have to say that your FI is being a bit of a jerk and a baby IMHO. He teased you with something he knew you really wanted, then got you a GAG gift along with a very generalized gift (Come on, my BROTHER who I see once a month got me bath and body works, and STILL managed to get me a more personalized second gift in the form of Wii Mario Kart which I've been wanting forever), and an I.O.U. for a dog that you never expressed a desire for. And then can't handle it when HE brings up the conversation?

    He gets you to admit that you are unhappy, and then makes you feel guilty for it. This is NOT a good behavioral pattern. It makes him look very immature and, dare I say it, a little emotionally abusive, that he would twist the situation around like this and make YOU feel bad for it.

    You do not suck AT ALL. You are in no way being selfish. You just wanted something that says he knows you and cares for you. He did not measure up, by ANYONE's standards - as you should already know from all the responses your post got on the Holiday thread.

    Now for the tough love... stop feeling sorry for yourself and guilty. Buck up and hold your ground, and stop letting him steam roller you. You should not feel guilty or like a cvnt or think that you suck. You were disappointed, he pushed the issue and you shared that disappointment, and now HE needs to deal with it. And don't you dare apologize!  Sadly, I've been exactly where you are now... my ex made me feel guilty every time I was justifiably disappointed by him, he kept making me feel like it was unjustified, but it wasn't. And you have me, and all the other wonderful ladies on here, telling you that you are not unjustified either.

    You are absolutely right to be disappointed, and his reaction is nothing short of immature and manipulative.
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    [QUOTE]I mean, it's kind of like sex, right?  If you don't speak up and say what you want you may be unsatisfied for a long time.
    Posted by FutureMrsTR[/QUOTE]

    This is exactly what I was thinking!  I had a psychology professor in college who taught Human Sexual Behavior part-time and worked full-time as a sex therapist.  She told us never to fake an orgasm because it is a positive reinforcement for bad behavior, lol.  I think the same principle applies to gifts (provided you can still be gracious about your disappointment, which I definitely think you were!).
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  • Yeah, he can definitely get pretty defensive and quiet. I just hope when I get home he's not still mad.

    I called a guy friend of mine and asked him what he would think if he was in H's shoes. He said most guys suck at gift giving and H is probably just mad at himself. I think H think's I'm spoiled...which I definitely was as a kid, but I'm SO much better now! My friend also said I'm one of the easiest people he knows of to shop for because I'm always just thankful for whatever I get lol. This is so out of character for me to be unhappy about a gift.

    Missy, one birthday he got me a box of 100 Calorie Cheetos and Boot Socks. Does that answer your question? lol He IS thoughtful, but often, his thoughtful gifts are kind of off the wall. I love cheetos and he knows I have an issue with portion control...and my feet are always cold - boot socks.
  • Ok - this is totally unrelated to your thread LDY...and sorry for the hijack....but did kiki get banned or something? Wtf happened or did I miss something?
  • *Hugs* You're not a bad person at all.  I agree with all these other ladies--it was good that you got that out, and now he'll know for the future--and HE's even the one who brought it up, so it's not like you walked up to him out of the blue and told him that his gifts sucked.  He'll get over it.  Besides, it was mean for him to tease you. 
  • Just changed my SN, missy.  No big story here.
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    [QUOTE]Missy, one birthday he got me a box of 100 Calorie Cheetos and Boot Socks. Does that answer your question? lol He IS thoughtful, but often, his thoughtful gifts are kind of off the wall. I love cheetos and he knows I have an issue with portion control...and my feet are always cold - boot socks.
    Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

    Oh honey, that is just sad. That's the type of gift where he needs to be getting you that as a thoughtful, quirky thing and then also something nice - not necessarily expensive, it could be him lighting candles and making you a special dinner, but something nice - to differentiate your gift from what he got at his frat's white elephant exchange in college.
  • He still says he wasn't teasing me with the pics of the purse and the jewelry and was "honestly trying to get my opinion on things" - um...HELLO...expensive purse and shiny stuff? No. I hate it. Keep it away from me.
  • Well, now the dog's off the table, right?

    If he's still mad when you get home, I'd straight up be like, "Okay, well, MY feelings have been hurt for four days. So suck it up. And you asked in the first place."

  • The first Christmas H and I were together, he bought me BBW (Um, I had just stopped working there a year ago).  I felt like a total ass because I'd bought him a sweater from BR, with a matching button down, also from BR; a pair of leather boots, and a pair of nice leather gloves. 

    Interestingly, we haven't given gifts for Christmas since. lol
  • Yeah, it sounds like you just need to give him a list of specific things you want and hopefully he can go from there.
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    [QUOTE] one birthday he got me a box of 100 Calorie Cheetos and Boot Socks. Does that answer your question? lol He IS thoughtful, but often, his thoughtful gifts are kind of off the wall. I love cheetos and he knows I have an issue with portion control...and my feet are always cold - boot socks.
    Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

    So he CAN be thoughtful and show you that he cares, and since he's gotten you things before that have shown that of COURSE you were disappointed. And seriously, the comparison of what you just described to the gift that he got you this year... he obviously did not put as much thought into it this year. Or, well, he did, cuz he knows you wanted the Coach bag, but then he just teased you with it and didn't get it.

    Whether or not he's sensitive or disappointed in himself, that's no excuse to take it out on you to the point where you're crying when you go back to work! Especially since he should know you well enough to know that you're always happy with whatever gifts you get, just as your friend does. I hope he's not mad at you either when you get home, but if he is then, I reiterate, it is NOT <strong>your</strong> fault.
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    [QUOTE]Just changed my SN, missy.  No big story here.
    Posted by RobotLegs[/QUOTE]


    Gotcha.
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    Wait. So your H's BFF's wife is going to call HER husband who is going to call YOUR husband?

    No way in hell would I let that fly. Listen BFF wife. Leave this between LDY and Mr. LDY.
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    [QUOTE]Wait. So your H's BFF's wife is going to call HER husband who is going to call YOUR husband? No way in hell would I let that fly. Listen BFF wife. Leave this between LDY and Mr. LDY.
    Posted by crfische[/QUOTE]

    I agree!  It's not a good idea to let other people all up in your business like that. 
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    [QUOTE]Did he honestly think you wanted another dog?  When he asked if people asked you what you got for Christmas, was he like excited about it?  Like thinking you were having so much fun telling people you got a dog IOU for Christmas?  If so, dude is a little delusional and you must be a great actress if he couldn't tell that you were so unhappy.
    Posted by danieliza1127[/QUOTE]


    He honestly thought I wanted another dog. He was TRYING to be sweet! I have mentioned since day one of knowing him that I've always wanted to rescue a basset hound. He and his friends were searching for a basset to rescue in time for Christmas, but they never found one, thus the IOU.

    We have a lab who takes up all of our personal space whenever we're around, we have a cat who destroys things, we have rats who stink our guest room up and H has tarantulas that he's spending WAY too much money on (I can't believe these damn things need so many accessories). We have our hands full of animals.

    I made the mistake of telling H last monday that I would LOVE a dog - but then I followed it up with "but we don't need one" - apparently he missed that last part.

    I think this is why I feel like I suck so much. He was trying to be sweet.
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    [QUOTE]Wait. So your H's BFF's wife is going to call HER husband who is going to call YOUR husband? No way in hell would I let that fly. Listen BFF wife. Leave this between LDY and Mr. LDY.
    Posted by crfische[/QUOTE]

    I didn't tell her to call him...she just....did. Then he called me and asked what was going on. He and I are two of the only people who can actually get through to H when he's all *RAWR* and apparently I wasn't getting through. I told him not to call, however. If need be, I'll send them out to get a beer later or something to H can blow off some steam and his BFF will be there to say "well, dude, you kinda did it to yourself." Hopefully I won't have to do that though.
  • I also was not aware that RobotLegs was here to stay.

    LDY, I think you need to start purposely pointing out things you like and/or making him guess if you like things. H actually used to do this just because he wanted to learn my taste - he'd see an ad for jewelry in a magazine for example and say "I think you like this one and this one but hate this one." Granted, the man has never bought me jewelry, and we ended up buying my engagement ring together, but if he ever does go for diamonds I know I'll like them!
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: F/U: The IOU : He honestly thought I wanted another dog. He was TRYING to be sweet! I have mentioned since day one of knowing him that I've always wanted to rescue a basset hound. He and his friends were searching for a basset to rescue in time for Christmas, but they never found one, thus the IOU. We have a lab who takes up all of our personal space whenever we're around, we have a cat who destroys things, we have rats who stink our guest room up and H has tarantulas that he's spending WAY too much money on (I can't believe these damn things need so many accessories). We have our hands full of animals. I made the mistake of telling H last monday that I would LOVE a dog - but then I followed it up with "but we don't need one" - apparently he missed that last part. I think this is why I feel like I suck so much. He was trying to be sweet.
    Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

    Ohhhhh, okay I didn't know all of that.  Well, that does change things a little.  He was trying to get you something he thought you really wanted.  What a sucky situation.  I hope he's not still upset when you get home.  Maybe when you're less emotional you can explain it again in a way that is more clear to him, somehow.
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