Unpopular Opinions

mgietler76

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : LVB, yes. This one opinion makes me not like someone. I'm really glad that Chileans haven't been that horrible to my friends and me when we came here with our less-than-perfect-but-trying-to-learn Spanish. How the hell do you expect people to learn English when the best way of learning a language, and you refuse to immerse them? ETA: Also, if my employee started transferring her calls just because she didn't feel like talking to someone, I would fire her. That's called not doing your job assuming that talking to clients is part of your job.
Posted by emilyinchile[/QUOTE]

It's not my job to teach people English, I didn't say less than perfect English and maybe saying fluent wasn't the correct word. But yes if someone isn't understandable I will transfer the call to someone who can understand them. It makes no sense for me to ask the customer to repeat himself 4 times if say he speaks mosty Spanish instead of transferring him to a person who also speaks Spanish.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]<strong>I refuse to speak to people who cannot fluently speak English but they live here anyways.</strong> I'm not about to move to Germany with my knowledge from HS language class. I would rather kill a murderer, eye for and eye and all that. ETA: By murderer I mean pre-meditated, cold straight up murder.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

Where do you live? Because frankly, i'd have trouble ordering food or shopping, period, if I had that kind of attitude.

cengle

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[QUOTE]How do people feel about tipping waitresses/waiters here? When did 20% become the given/norm and expected? Like that facebook group, if you don't tip 20% don't eat out? 
Posted by Rosie109[/QUOTE]

I don't really like our system.  I think waitstaff should be paid a decent living wage instead of having to rely on tips.  I do think the tipping culture has gone a bit overboard.  Pretty much everyone just expects to be tipped now, and i think tipping shold be based soley on service.
But saying that, I do tip, usually 15-20% depending on service, because it's not their fault the system is lame.

ohwhynot

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Supposedly, than to lethal injection kill them. I would do away with lethal injection, a bullet costs what, 25 cents? Seriously.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

You're not seriously suggesting that it's the cost of the drugs used in lethal injection, as opposed to a bullet, that drives the costs, are you? 

Stackeye210

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[QUOTE]I simply mean that if you choose to live in a country than you should learn the language of said county. I would never move somewhere else and expect them to understand English simply because it's what I speak.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

That sounds like back peddling to me.  What about a learning curve?  You could be transferring people on the phone and "simply walking away" from people who just moved to this country and are trying their best to learn the language. 

I'll press 1 for English for the rest of my life if it means I get to learn from so many different people of so many different cultures and races all in one place. 

FutureMrsTR

In general, also, where H and I go to eat out, the difference between 15% and 20% is only a few dollars so...eh.

akhensley81

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Supposedly, than to lethal injection kill them. I would do away with lethal injection, a bullet costs what, 25 cents? Seriously.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

i2i, girl. The really good ones might cost $1. But still.

Wrkn925

I think you should have a moderate grasp of the English language in order to own a business.
I have a very difficult time speaking to owners of foreign cuisine restaurants. 
It is important for us to have clear communication.  Free passes are given for words and phrases that are difficult, or odd to use in normal discussion.  But I get really aggravated when we cannot discuss an invoice. 

And I believe: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. -Ganghi

Beachy730

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I don't really like our system.  I think waitstaff should be paid a decent living wage instead of having to rely on tips.  I do think the tipping culture has gone a bit overboard.  <strong>Pretty much everyone just expects to be tipped now</strong>, and i think tipping shold be based soley on service. But saying that, I do tip, usually 15-20% depending on service, because it's not their fault the system is lame.
Posted by cengle[/QUOTE]

I so agree with this.  When we were moving we had so many packers and movers and delivery people and whatnot coming and going.  I feel like everyone expects a tip, but if we are already paying you an exhorberant amount, do we really need to tip?  H is much better than me about deciding who needs a tip and who doesn't.  A lot of times I'll google it on my phone to see if we should tip that person.  For our movers we ordered pizza and had lots of drinks for them.

As for restaurants, I'm usually a 20% minimum.  Once in a while if the service is completely terrible, I'll give 15%, but thats rare.  And I judge it solely on the server's performance.  I hate when people say "my food wasn't that good."  Well thats not the servers fault, thats the kitchen.  If we have a great server I'm usually more 25% to 30%.  And I will never leave less than $5.  So even if the bill is under $20, i still leave $5.

vallyhoo

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[QUOTE]I love pitbulls.  I would never say that my dog would never hurt anyone, because really, it's an animal how do I know what he's thinking.  But I do believe it's in the raising.  Most of them are misguided and it makes me sad.  How can you resist this face? Edited for spelling and not fully finishing sentences. Gah
Posted by FutureMrsFezz[/QUOTE]

I really like you Fezz - probably not a UO, but you live in S. Florida, right? I know that your opinion on that breed in particular in that area is rare. So kudos to you for having an open mind! Seriously.

zippityb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : My dad is a higher-up in a prison, I know a lot more about it than tv shows. It sucks, but life on the street sucks a whole lot more.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but on the streets, they have the opportunity to commit more crimes. That's why I will pay for them to stay in prison.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Pisses me right the eff off. People get all indignant if you don't tip 20%. It's a TIP for service well rendered. It has to be earned. It's not a right. <strong>Your paycheck is your right.</strong> I tip 20% if I think the service has been really good and it goes up or down from there.
Posted by louisvillebride21[/QUOTE]
But in most cases, servers get ridiculously low, no way to live on it, paychecks. I'm not saying anybody is entitled to a tip and I agree that it's something that has to be earned. I don't know. I guess I just have an extra bit of compassion for people in the service industry because I've been there. And sometimes, even when you do your best, the kitchen fuucks you. I lost MANY tips because the kitchen people couldn't get their shiit together and that sucks. When something goes wrong, I think a patron needs to understand who's fault it is. It's not always the servers' fault.

Ghoti

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : You're not seriously suggesting that it's the cost of the drugs used in lethal injection, as opposed to a bullet, that drives the costs, are you? 
Posted by ohwhynot[/QUOTE]

I'm trying to not make it complicated. I said in my first post, DNA proof and Confessions get a bullet.  The process is very similar for life in prison or for death by injection. The legal process for injection IS a lot of costs, the money for the anesthesiologist and doctors, guards, etc. Do you know how much a prison DR gets paid? Anyway, I'm not an idiot, and honestly I wouldn't care if it cost 100k more to kill a murderer than it does to keep him alive for 80 years, I still would still vote death in cases of absolute confirmed "did it on purpose" murder. (NOT manslaughter).

AdeleDazeem

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I don't really like our system.  I think waitstaff should be paid a decent living wage instead of having to rely on tips.  I do think the tipping culture has gone a bit overboard.  Pretty much everyone just expects to be tipped now, and i think tipping shold be based soley on service. But saying that, I do tip, usually 15-20% depending on service, because it's not their fault the system is lame.
Posted by cengle[/QUOTE]

This.  One hundred times this.

I just finished reading "Waiter Rant" and while he did expound a great deal about ridiculous ridiculous things, this was the major conclusion I came away with.  Mind you, this wasn't the point he was trying to drive home at all.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]How do people feel about tipping waitresses/waiters here? When did 20% become the given/norm and expected? Like that facebook group, if you don't tip 20% don't eat out? 
Posted by Rosie109[/QUOTE]

I agree - if you don't tip, don't eat out. I try to tip 20%, give or take.

I think I ave an unpopular opinion about this as well - if the service isn't good, I'm not going to be a passive-agressive a-hole and leave them a 5% tip or a quarter. I'll talk to the server and then talk to the manager. I'm not going to eff with someone's rent payment just because I can. If the service is just a slow/backed up kitchen, that's not the server's fault anyway. If the service isn't bad enough to talk to the manager, well, then it's not bad enough to not leave a tip.

Ghoti

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[QUOTE]I think you should have a moderate grasp of the English language in order to own a business. I have a very difficult time speaking to owners of foreign cuisine restaurants.  It is important for us to have clear communication.  Free passes are given for words and phrases that are difficult, or odd to use in normal discussion.  But I get really aggravated when we cannot discuss an invoice.  And I believe: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. -Ganghi
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

Are you saying there is something wrong with being blind?

mgietler76

I am certainly not trying to backpedal, if I cannot understand someone I will explain that and get them to someone who can understand them. I think if you at least have a grasp of the language and are actively trying to learn it than fine. But of course I wouldn't know if someone was learning or trying to learn English.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Yes really. If I have a person on the phone I transfer them to someone else. And if it's in person I apologize that I can't understand them and simply walk away.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

I sincerely hope you transfer them to someone who can understand Spanish or whatever under the guise of helping the person, rather than just making it someone else's problem.

kikibaby

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[QUOTE]In Response to Unpopular Opinions : Just to play devils advocate: Convicted murderers are not the only people who kill people. And they often feel they have justification. Soldiers and cops also kill people, with perceived justification. Does your opinion extend to soldiers and cops who have taken the life of another in the line of duty, with perceived justification. If so, is it because the justification is socially acceptable? Is it the taking of life that changes someone past rehabilitation, or is it the lack of a socially acceptable justification for their actions? Does your opinion change if they are remorseful? 
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Ok, that's a lot, but I'll try to see if I can give an opinion on it.  I guess I don't see a soldier or cop killing someone who is threatening them as murder.  I wouldn't see a person who killed someone in self-defense to save their own life a murderer either.  Saying that murder is ok if there's ANY justification... well, that's a pretty slippery slope, isn't it?  So, maybe it is the lack of "socially acceptable" justification.  

As far as remorse, I don't think it changes my opinion.  It's easy to feel bad about something, but it's a litte day late, dollar short if you've already taken a life.

emilyinchile

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[QUOTE]What about accents? People with accents piss me off. Even if they have perfect English why the deuce can't you SOUND like us?!?! Jk obviously. My new doctor is the cute little french lady and I am certain she has a better grasp of the english language than I do but damn if I can't understand her.
Posted by Rosie109[/QUOTE]

Rosie, if you were serious, you would not be the first person to say you don't go to foreign doctors.

I think OWN is right - unpopular opinions are depressing. It honestly makes me sad to realize the shiit my husband is going to go through whenever we move back to the US because he is Latino. He speaks good English and can communicate pretty much anything but has an accent and makes mistakes sometimes, and I'm sure some ignorant person is going to ignore him or think he's an idiot just because of that. Expat life hasn't always been easy, but no one has ever made me feel stupid for my Spanish skills, and it saddens me to see that isn't the case in what is a country built on immigration where we supposedly champion opportunity for all.

MrsMack10612

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[QUOTE]I simply mean that if you choose to live in a country than you should learn the language of said county. I would never move somewhere else and expect them to understand English simply because it's what I speak.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

This is absolutely the point I was trying to make.

And I absolutely agree with PPs that Americans are a$$holes about speaking English in other countries.

Way back when this country was first starting out - people came here to be Americans and look for a different/better life for their families.  They wanted to be Americans - they learned the language and took pride in their adopted country.  It didn't mean they gave up their heritage - they just embraced the new one too.

Today the USA has become so PC we have become the doormat of the world.  No other country in the world hs a problem making a national language - but God forbid our lawmakers should make English the official language of this country for fear of offending anyone.

(yes unpopular opinion, I know).

OWN - yes I agree that there are some opinions that people can hold (like that of pedophiles) that make me dislike them; however, I think generally differing opinions just makes for good discussions.  My BIL has very different political opinions than I do - doesn't make me like him any less.

salt78

Unpopular opinion: I love jeggings. 

louisvillebride21

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But in most cases, servers get ridiculously low, no way to live on it, paychecks. I'm not saying anybody is entitled to a tip and I agree that it's something that has to be earned. I don't know. I guess I just have an extra bit of compassion for people in the service industry because I've been there. And sometimes, even when you do your best, the kitchen fuucks you. I lost MANY tips because the kitchen people couldn't get their shiit together and that sucks. When something goes wrong, I think a patron needs to understand who's fault it is. It's not always the servers' fault.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]
Well, I think there needs to be...understanding? on both the patron's and the servers part. You don't get to take your bad day out on me. I don't do it to my customers, why should I expect any less from my server? My food is cold or late? Usually not the servers fault. I think each situation needs to be assesed as to why things went well or not. But I just don't think a tip should be expected or a certain amount be standard.

Ghoti

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Yeah, but on the streets, they have the opportunity to commit more crimes. That's why I will pay for them to stay in prison.
Posted by zippityb[/QUOTE]

I'm not talking about criminals on the streets, I'm saying that there are many families and GOOD people who are living on or close to on the streets right now, and criminals have a better lifestyle than they do. There's something backasswords with that.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]I am certainly not trying to backpedal, if I cannot understand someone I will explain that and get them to <strong>someone who can understand them.</strong> I think if you at least have a grasp of the language and are actively trying to learn it than fine. But of course I wouldn't know if someone was learning or trying to learn English.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]
If you actually spoke to people who don't have a firm grasp on English, you might become a person who understands them. I mean really. I'd venture to say that none of your coworkers are any better at deciphering broken English than you are. They just nut up and deal with it.

Rosie109

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Rosie, if you were serious, you would not be the first person to say you don't go to foreign doctors. I think OWN is right - unpopular opinions are depressing. It honestly makes me sad to realize the shiit my husband is going to go through whenever we move back to the US because he is Latino. He speaks good English and can communicate pretty much anything but has an accent and makes mistakes sometimes, and I'm sure some ignorant person is going to ignore him or think he's an idiot just because of that. Expat life hasn't always been easy, but no one has ever made me feel stupid for my Spanish skills, and it saddens me to see that isn't the case in what is a country built on immigration where we supposedly champion opportunity for all.
Posted by emilyinchile[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>no no no I love mon petit chou chou doctor!

</div>

mgietler76

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I sincerely hope you transfer them to someone who can understand Spanish or whatever under the guise of helping the person, rather than just making it someone else's problem.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Of course, just because I can't understand them doesn't make them a horrible person and should still get the help they need. But I don't want to be the person to help them. If that makes me ignorant and stupid and whatever else people said than so be it, that's why it's called an unpopular opinion.

Beachy730

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[QUOTE]I am certainly not trying to backpedal, if I cannot understand someone I will explain that and get them to someone who can understand them. I think if you at least have a grasp of the language and are actively trying to learn it than fine. But of course I wouldn't know if someone was learning or trying to learn English.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

Sending a spanish speaking person to the spanish speaking rep on the phone is one thing.  Walking away from them in person, or transferring someone because of their accent is just rude. 

cengle

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions :  I try to tip 20%, give or take. I think I ave an unpopular opinion about this as well - if the service isn't good, I'm not going to be a passive-agressive a-hole and leave them a 5% tip or a quarter. I'll talk to the server and then talk to the manager. I'm not going to eff with someone's rent payment just because I can. If the service is just a slow/backed up kitchen, that's not the server's fault anyway. If the service isn't bad enough to talk to the manager, well, then it's not bad enough to not leave a tip.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

I agree with you to an extent. I'm pretty forgiving when it's busy, and I can tell the server is doing what they can.  Or for something minor. But when they're screwing around, talking with friends when I'm at one of the 2 tables, and I've had an empty soda for 15 minutes, or are rude to me, they're not getting much of a tip.  I certainly don't think most servers are like this, but there are some that do think they're entitled to a tip just because, and that's not cool.

SarahPLiz

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_unpopular-opinions-10?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9079978c-a97a-4b70-8eea-06b273ff4ad2Post:e376f8fc-4c24-4fe3-b5dd-2e0fba5d19d1">Re: Unpopular Opinions</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Ok, that's a lot, but I'll try to see if I can give an opinion on it.  I guess I don't see a soldier or cop killing someone who is threatening them as murder.  I wouldn't see a person who killed someone in self-defense to save their own life a murderer either.  Saying that murder is ok if there's ANY justification... well, that's a pretty slippery slope, isn't it?  So, maybe it is the lack of "socially acceptable" justification.   As far as remorse, I don't think it changes my opinion.  It's easy to feel bad about something, but it's a litte day late, dollar short if you've already taken a life.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>I'm with you on that, I just thought we'd expand the discussion.. then I saw that while I was typing all that you basically answered your definitiion of murderer. Cool!

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