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JessAndTrav

KK, I completely understand. Trust me.

I know what it's like to be poor. I know what it's like to live in a house during the entire Texas summer without electricity. I know what it is to eat Ramen every fucking night of the week. I know what it is to be evicted from your home. I know what it is to skip washing your hair because you're rationing the rest of your shampoo.

And I also know what it is to live down the street from Burger King when they had cheeseburgers selling for $.27/each, and taking advantage of that shiit daily, just so that you don't have to eat the aforementioned Ramen.

That was my life when I was in high school

These are all things I know and understand. Which is why I said that I think it's sad that the less healthy choice in food is less than the healthy choice. I've already said that.

Moneypenny424

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:992ba83c-98cb-4151-850f-2b16b540a91a">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]I flame Moneypenny for looking at me so suggestively over her shoulder.  It makes me feel all squishy.
Posted by smokeybailey[/QUOTE]

Psst...come here Smokey ;).

Moneypenny424

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:1f480a0d-7490-489a-a867-e9fe80ca6cc5">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I used to live in the Fenway area when I went to college and there was a Shaw's not even 2 blocks away from where I lived. There was a full blown Shaw's in Copley Square, a Whole Foods by the Symphony T-Station... you get the idea. I guess I never realized that Boston is VERY different from other cities.
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

Well, I think the more telling picture would be of the grocery stores in Dorchester, Mattapan, Roxbury, etc.  While the places you mentioned are in the city, they aren't what you think of as "inner city," ie lower socioeconomic areas.

smokeybailey

I is scared of you, Money.

[Deleted User]

I was told there would be cake.

tenofcups4me

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I used to live in the Fenway area when I went to college and there was a Shaw's not even 2 blocks away from where I lived. There was a full blown Shaw's in Copley Square, a Whole Foods by the Symphony T-Station... you get the idea. I guess I never realized that Boston is VERY different from other cities.
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I had no problem in NYC. Anywhere I lived, a supermarket was pretty much around the corner. But in some cities, it's a real issue.

squirrly

andyandhillary, i get that you're quite passionate about your views.  Most of them don't synch up with mine, from what I can tell.  But - your method of presenting them is VERY overtly confrontational, and downright rude, frequently.  So - I'm flaming you for that.  Not for your point of view, but for HOW you argue those points. 

JessAndTrav

Squirrly, my love. Do you approve my signature now?

The other one was my favorite line from Bridget Jones, and I had been watching it the day I posted it.

beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]Squirrly, my love. Do you approve my signature now? The other one was my favorite line from Bridget Jones, and I had been watching it the day I posted it.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]

THAT'S where that was from. I figured but couldn't remember. I love that movie, but I like this sig much better. :)

arbolita

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[QUOTE]I think the two take-away messages here are: 1.  Don't go to law school.  Harvard or not, none of us have jobs. 2.  Ladies on the Knot have spent lots of time in inner city grocery stores :) Organic food is always more expensive.  I'm not going to judge anyone who doesn't want to spend $2 more for organic chocolate chips or something.  The more important thing is for people to be eating healthy foods in general. <strong> A little pesticide never hurt anyone.</strong>
Posted by Moneypenny424[/QUOTE]

Speak for yourself.  My mouth breaks out into hives if I eat any raw fruit or vegetable that isn't organic.

Moneypenny424

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Speak for yourself.  My mouth breaks out into hives if I eat any raw fruit or vegetable that isn't organic.
Posted by arbolita[/QUOTE]

I was just joking :).  I've had the itchy mouth from pesticides too--thankfully, I normally don't have a reaction to it.

squirrly

Jess - MUCH BETTER.  Thanks!  It's rare that I literally scroll quickly past sigs, but that last one. . . yeah, I did. 

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : So a retired military personnel aren't desreving of health care? And how do you not see that it's not "free"?
Posted by mag920[/QUOTE]

Of course they are. My grandfather also got health care as part of his pension/retirement package. I didn't feel the need to mention it.

I've been using "free" in quotation marks because it is free to THEM as in they don't pay directly for any health care. It is a benefit. Obviously someone (the government) pays for it. I don't understand your point.

Edit: I also used military health care as one of <em>several </em>examples. I used Medicaid as an example, too.

salt78

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : You live in MAINE. In Boston (ya know, a city?), 
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

<div>This did nothing but make you sound like a pretentious asshole.</div>

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : My point is that it's NOT free. They have to perform a service (in this case military service) in order to receive this "free" benefit. While it may not be a monitary contribution, it's still a contribution non-the less.
Posted by mag920[/QUOTE]

And it can be argued that people who have employer-based health care get it because they are doing their employer a service. I am NOT arguing that everyone's contribution to society is equal and that the military do not perform a special service, by the way. But, for example, my employer subsidizes all but $50/month of my medical insurance. Before I was required to pay the $50, I could have claimed I got free insurance because it was free to ME even though it was several thousand a year for my employer. Semantics.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : This did nothing but make you sound like a pretentious asshole.
Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure how one can live in Boston and not realize there are cities in Maine. It's only an hour away.

britne28

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I was just joking :).  I've had the itchy mouth from pesticides too--thankfully, I normally don't have a reaction to it.
Posted by Moneypenny424[/QUOTE]

They were saying this week one of the reasons the bees are dying out are because of the pesticides.  No kidding, really?  My asthma is better with organics. 

kkchisholm

You guys didn't know? We just live with the bears and squirrels in the woods.

FutureMrsTR

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : It's like an opinion, but one that makes you cry.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

DED.  Your post made me cry.

kkchisholm

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : It's like an opinion, but one that makes you cry.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

Ha I knew that looked wrong.

BecW2be

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : It's like an opinion, but one that makes you cry.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

DED

JessAndTrav

Houston is a city, by your terms.

But I don't live in Houston. That's just the nearest city to me that I could choose from on TK.

I live in a city with about 45k people. It's pretty much a Massapequa to NYC, only more people.

btrflykate1230

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Last I heard they weren't doing that flea market any more.  They finally got busted for selling the fakes.  Who knows though, they might be back selling biding their time until the next bust.
Posted by SnShne322[/QUOTE]

<div>That's really sad actually. They have super cheap sunglasses and I loved buying them because my son destroys every single pair I have.</div><div>
And heels-- thanks for the analogy. I get it now!</div>

btrflykate1230

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : It's like an opinion, but one that makes you cry.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

<div>LOL!</div>

btrflykate1230

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:e11d4aef-5d22-44ab-8fc0-521d1fd55840">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]Houston is a city, by your terms. But I don't live in Houston. That's just the nearest city to me that I could choose from on TK. I live in a city with about 45k people. It's pretty much a Massapequa to NYC, only more people.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]

<div>So it's the town I live in, compared to Boston. Sweet!</div>

kkchisholm

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Last I heard they weren't doing that flea market any more.  They finally got busted for selling the fakes.  Who knows though, they might be back selling biding their time until the next bust.
Posted by SnShne322[/QUOTE]

I heard this too. Last time I was there was Summer 08. I will be very sad if it is true.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

Thank you Emily. I made a comment in the original post that went something like, "Why is the government able to provide "free" military health care, medicaid, medicare, etc? I want in on some of that "free" health care." Obviously I misspoke because a lot of people, not just Mag, took it the wrong way, so I take responsibility for that. I should have stuck with Medicaid (government providing for people who can't afford insurance in any way, shape or form) rather than mentioning military benefits which are very far removed from what I was trying to get at.

 I am also very vocal about my liberal politics in general, and I can see some people (not saying anyone here does) can see that as meaning anti-military, which is very far from the truth. I certainly do not want to be in the military, but because of that, I very much respect those who choose to make that sacrifice. Hell, my grandfather, four of his brothers, one of his sisters and three of his BILs were in the military, as well as my dad's BIL. And that's just one side of my family. I grew up surrounded by veterans.

kkchisholm

I still don't know what DED means....

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]Boston and Baltimore are along the same lines to me. Major cities for the states they are located in, but in the grand scheme they are like medium sized.  Big cities = LA, NYC, Chicago.
Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying, but Boston is something like the 8th largest metro area in the  country. It's larger than some countries. And frankly, a lot of things Boston has (cultural, in particular, and also public transit) are better than LA.

I grew up in a city of 300,000 with a metro area of 1 million. To me, it was medium-sized, since it wasn't one of the most important cities in the country. But I would never say it wasn't a "real" city.

squirrly

I'm with Emily.  I think Mery's comments are being taken out of context/order/etc., and viewed much more harshly than they were intended.

I think military folks, veterans, and retirees should have the medical benefits they get, and at no cost to themselves.  They're not free - they're funded by their employer just like my benefits are (partially) funded by MY employer - it just so happens that their employer is the US government.  I really think of military healthcare in the same way that I do civilian employer provided insurance.  In both cases, it benefits the employer for the employee to be healthy, so they provide coverage.  In the case of the military, it sort of rolls in worker's comp, too. 

As for overall military benefits - I think it's important to provide benefits that are compelling enough to draw people to serve in the military.  Some will join because they enjoy it, because the "toys" are fun, because they can get college paid for, whatever. 

But I don't see anywhere that Mery has suggested that they don't deserve the benefits that they have.  Just that she would like to see a program administered in the same way made available to all Americans.  I don't think she was suggesting that to devalue lower the value of benefits to the military - just that it's an example of government run healthcare that CAN work.