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beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Don't push this standard on me.  I never said that.  But I don't think people should cry victim to someone who works those jobs ALL THE TIME.  I think my mother is a very successful person, even as a cleaning woman.  I knew a guy who was a manager at mcdonalds when I worked there and he was successful.  Was it a glamorous job?  No.  but he didn't care because it put food on his table and paid just as well as many other jobs which require higher education.
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

I'm confused then... Wasn't the initial flame on you that you were claiming people weren't successful if they chose to stay in those kinds of jobs, since it was possible for them to go to Harvard and be successful if they really wanted to?

andyandhillary

Ok, sorry.  I got defensive and high schooler-ish.  Lame of me.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]PS: If you do it right, PB&J isn't totally unhealthy. There's protein in the PB, and if you get the natural PB, then there aren't preservatives or sugar. If you get a jelly that's organic and natural, then you have fruit with as little chemicals and sugar as possible. Or you can sub the jelly for local honey, which helps you build up immunities to things in the air in your area. It helps fight allergies and illnesses.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]

Word. This is my lunch, nearly every day. :)

sarabellam

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : This does not make sense to me.  So because often times people's jobs who are government funded don't get what they deserve, they should never get what the deserve?  I fail to see the logic in this argument.  But, you need not worry, I don't think anyone would call military housing wonderful. 
Posted by luckyme502[/QUOTE]

No, no. no, that's not what I'm trying to say at all. They don't get what they deserve <strong>because</strong> they are government funded. Not that should never get what they deserve.

SarahSmile23

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I'd be proud too. I wouldn't mind, and -in fact--am working on my PhD at the University of Toledo----so, I clearly wasn't trying to take a poo on it. My point was that there is a difference between a degree from Harvard and a degree from a state school. The difference isn't necessarily visible, as both degrees are...well, degrees. But, the difference, I think, would come in the form of a job. If there was one job opening, and two individuals applied for the job with the exact same grades, same degree (i.e. law), very similar backgrounds---I have a feeling Harvard would win out over University of Toledo law grad. 
Posted by RachNRich[/QUOTE]
but isn't competition good? i wouldn't expect to get a job above someone who went to harvard or who had more experience than i did. but i could still find a good job. and, honestly, most managers i know have told me that they only care abut what school you went to for your first job or two. after that, your job experience is what gets you jobs. i suppose if there were 2 candidates with the exact same credentials and 1 went to an ivy league school, that candidate would be preferred. but the standards for graduation there are also more harsh. so shouldn't that hard work be rewarded? just thinking out loud here.

kkchisholm

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[QUOTE]PS: If you do it right, PB&J isn't totally unhealthy. There's protein in the PB, and if you get the natural PB, then there aren't preservatives or sugar. If you get a jelly that's organic and natural, then you have fruit with as little chemicals and sugar as possible. Or you can sub the jelly for local honey, which helps you build up immunities to things in the air in your area. It helps fight allergies and illnesses. ETA: I forgot about the bread. Choose a bread that's whole grain whole wheat.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]

LOL Jess the point was that people are too poor to go to wholefoods... and probably too poor to get organic.

AND I don't think social workers get paid enough:)

andyandhillary

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I'm confused then... Wasn't the initial flame on you that you were claiming people weren't successful if they chose to stay in those kinds of jobs, since it was possible for them to go to Harvard and be successful if they really wanted to?
Posted by beatlesgirl25[/QUOTE]

No, the initial flame (pg 6?) was flaming me for thinking that anyone could graduate from harvard.  Which I don't think that.  It was an exaggeration/paraphrase from mery.  My thought was that people can't have pity parties for themselves if they don't try to "better" themselves.  Like my previous coworker at mcdonalds, he didn't complain and he was happy.  But for the other managers who bitched and whined because they wanted more money or they couldnt buy blackberry phones, that made me mad.  Not that they wanted those things, but that they sat and expected the money fairy to help them out rather than choose a different path. 

beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : No, the initial flame (pg 6?) was flaming me for thinking that anyone could graduate from harvard.  Which I don't think that.  It was an exaggeration/paraphrase from mery.  My thought was that people can't have pity parties for themselves if they don't try to "better" themselves.  Like my previous coworker at mcdonalds, he didn't complain and he was happy.  But for the other managers who bitched and whined because they wanted more money or they couldnt buy blackberry phones, that made me mad.  Not that they wanted those things, but that they sat and expected the money fairy to help them out rather than choose a different path. 
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

laladypoet

I'm here for the gang bang?

ac_in_dc

On the poster with the doctor FI, what irritated me about her was that she seemed to think that she and her FI were entitled to the status quo remaining for the next 30 years.

But IMO one of the big problems with healthcare in this country is that there's little in the way of free market economics in how anyone, doctors included, is compensated.  And the current system is bankrupting both our federal government and a significant portion of the population.

And I know people in a number of professions (airline pilots, journalists, manufacturing engineers) who have engaged in career training with a certain expectation, only to get totally fvcked by changes in our economy. It's par for the course, and I don't think that doctors are going to feel any pain that's even close to what journalists, pilots, and folks in the manufacturing sector are feeling right now.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : LOL Jess the point was that people are too poor to go to wholefoods... and probably too poor to get organic. AND I don't think social workers get paid enough:)
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

My local supermarket chain has a store brand organic version of everything Jess named--for about the same price as the regular store brand. Just wish that were the case everywhere!

goheels05

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[QUOTE]Ok, sorry.  I got defensive and high schooler-ish.  Lame of me.
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

No worries!

RachNRich

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : but isn't competition good? i wouldn't expect to get a job above someone who went to harvard or who had more experience than i did. but i could still find a good job. and, honestly, most managers i know have told me that they only care abut what school you went to for your first job or two. after that, your job experience is what gets you jobs. i suppose if there were 2 candidates with the exact same credentials and 1 went to an ivy league school, that candidate would be preferred. but the standards for graduation there are also more harsh. so shouldn't that hard work be rewarded? just thinking out loud here.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>I completely agree with everything you said. But, that was my point (my very long-winded way of getting to it). Two people with law degrees--one from Harvard, one from state school---chances are Harvard would win in the fight for a job. Same "degree"--different outcome. </div><div>Like I said originally, both people would be lawyers---but the degree from the top tier school might produce different outcomes (in the form of employment) than would a degree from a state school.

</div>

pumpkinpumpkin

My prediction for FFF for the next month, at least. 4 pages will be devoted to health care.

btrflykate1230

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : My local supermarket chain has a store brand organic version of everything Jess named--for about the same price as the regular store brand. Just wish that were the case everywhere!
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]<div>
<div>Trader Joe's? That's where we get most of our organics!</div></div>

beatlesgirl25

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[QUOTE]My prediction for FFF for the next month, at least. 4 pages will be devoted to health care.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

Please, let this not be the case.

kkchisholm

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : My local supermarket chain has a store brand organic version of everything Jess named--for about the same price as the regular store brand. Just wish that were the case everywhere!
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]


I am saying its significantly more expensive. And the whole ppj thing started because I said that inner cities have Mcdonalds rather than grocery stores. Or they have 711 where they get get pbj supplies and mac n cheese.

eta- I just saw you said they were the same price. Where is your grocery store?! Organic flour here is 4.99 compared to the store brand 2:05.

pumpkinpumpkin

No kidding.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Trader Joe's? That's where we get most of our organics!
Posted by btrflykate1230[/QUOTE]

Stop-n-Shop. Seems like there's a "Nature's Promise" version of nearly every product in the store these days.

JessAndTrav

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : LOL Jess the point was that people are too poor to go to wholefoods... and probably too poor to get organic. AND I don't think social workers get paid enough:)
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

We don't have a Whole Foods where I live. All of the mentioned items are found at ALL of my local grocery stores (HEB, Kroger, Albertsons, Randalls, Brookshire Brothers, etc.)

The natural peanut butter we buy is about $2/jar, which is about $.50 more than the generic brands. JIF/Peter Pan and other larger brands cost the same or more.

The local honey---I believe this is common. It's marked with a little sticker that said, "local" It costs the same as regular honey. It's just local.

Most grocery stores are starting to have natural food aisles at keep the prices low, to bargain with places like Whole Foods.

JessAndTrav

P2, I'm pretty sure you're right. This is why I choose not to discuss my opinion about it with anyone. It's already a topic I'm tired of.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I am saying its significantly more expensive. And the whole ppj thing started because I said that inner cities have Mcdonalds rather than grocery stores. Or they have 711 where they get get pbj supplies and mac n cheese.
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

What the hell kind of inner cities have you lived in? People still buy groceries.

kkchisholm

oplasky I also edited last post.

luckyme502

What is in your local grocery store may not be the same as what is in the grocery store of an "inner city".  In my little town here in VA we have a chain of grocery stores.  The one in my neighborhood carries different products than the one in the not so nice part of town.  Also, the prices are higher on basic foods at the one in the not so nice part of town.  The reasoning is that the average shopper at that store is using food stamps and is not actually having to pay the higher prices on bread, peanut butter, and jelly and milk.  There was a series of newspaper articles on this in my town. 

btrflykate1230

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I am saying its significantly more expensive. And the whole ppj thing started because I said that inner cities have Mcdonalds rather than grocery stores. Or they have 711 where they get get pbj supplies and mac n cheese. eta- I just saw you said they were the same price. Where is your grocery store?! Organic flour here is 4.99 compared to the store brand 2:05.
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

<div>You live in MAINE. In Boston (ya know, a city?), organics are more comparable in prices than in rural areas. For example, the organic coffee I buy is $1 more than the regular stuff. Not that big of a difference.</div>

kkchisholm

1 dollar on every item is a huge difference. I wont pay that.

JessAndTrav

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[QUOTE] Where is your grocery store?! Organic flour here is 4.99 compared to the store brand 2:05.
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

Not all organic things are equally prices, but in regards to PB&J, you won't convince me that for about $2more (for all items) you can have a healthier version of the classic delicacy.

But organic, BTW, doesn't always mean healthier. Organic means that it wasn't treated with hormones and chemicals, which yes, is ultimately healthier, but having an organic bacon cheeseburger isn't going to keep you from having a heart attack.

I will say, however, that healthy food in general (fresh fruits and vegetables) is often far more expensive than buying things canned, and that frustrates me.

tidetravel

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : What the hell kind of inner cities have you lived in? People still buy groceries.
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

 For example, in downtown DC, there are very few chain grocery stores.  Many of the stores are upper end boutique shops, 7-11s or are small mom-and-pop stores.  All of which are higher priced than a typical suburban grocery store. Also, they are spread out, so it's difficult for people with limited incomes to get to.  If someone doesn't own a car, it means taking public transportation to get to a grocery store or walking down to the local 7-11.

There's actually a law that prevents large stores like SuperWalmarts inside of the DC beltway.   

SarahSmile23

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : What the hell kind of inner cities have you lived in? People still buy groceries.
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

you just gave me my first actual laugh out loud moment of this thread.

andyandhillary

I wish trader joe's had better produce.  My store's is literally always moldy.  I don't get it.  i love everything else there!