Can I request a gun-free wedding?

Simply Fated

astimmel said:

Sylvia Weis said:

BangBangs39 said:

@Southernbelle0915 - Which again is exactly why many of us have asked if they've done this in public places or if she is exaggerating to make a point... thus far no answer.  I tend to air on the side of exaggeration with someone who openly admits that an inanimate object scares them.  I'm scared of spiders - whenever I see on of those bastards in my basement its the size of my hand and looking at me!  Doesn't mean it's true.

@NYCBruin - I just re-read all of OP comments to make sure I didn't miss something, I must have though because I see no comment regarding these family members acting irresponsibly with company in their home. 

Also - there are certain people that you trust more than others to be around your objects alone.

 

I seriously cannot believe you are comparing spiders to guns.

What about spiders WITH guns?

Burn the house to the ground.

southernbelle0915

Simply Fated said:

For anyone curious... this was one of the popular image that appeared all over my facebook wall right after Sandy Hook...
http://blogheavy.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/gun-stats.jpg


Meanwhile Snopes has discredited it.
Daily Kos shoots down that and other arguments.


Anyway, my point is, no I don't think pp is pretending to be extreme to give gun supporters a bad name. Some people just really believe these things.

haha WHAT?  Why would anyone use this to argue the pro-gun cause? They're advertising that guns are in the top 10 killers and that they cause over 11,000 deaths a year. Who cares if it's only number 10? lol

Simply Fated

southernbelle0915 said:

Simply Fated said:

For anyone curious... this was one of the popular image that appeared all over my facebook wall right after Sandy Hook...
http://blogheavy.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/gun-stats.jpg


Meanwhile Snopes has discredited it.
Daily Kos shoots down that and other arguments.


Anyway, my point is, no I don't think pp is pretending to be extreme to give gun supporters a bad name. Some people just really believe these things.

haha WHAT?  Why would anyone use this to argue the pro-gun cause? They're advertising that guns are in the top 10 killers and that they cause over 11,000 deaths a year. Who cares if it's only number 10? lol

That's the same thing I said when I saw that image the first time! Whether anyone is pro or anti gun, the fact that there was over 11,000 deaths is terrible. But at least one of my fb friends was literally, like, there were only 11,000, so NBD.

What's funny is that tobacco, the number one killer on that list, is regulated (heavily in my state).  So... why wouldn't there also be regulations for some other things, like guns?

NYCBruin

StageManager14 said:

I propose a new gun law.  Anyone who seriously compares guns to cigarettes or spiders is immediately disqualified from owning one.

I'd vote for that law!

BangBangs39

southernbelle0915 said:

:::::waiting for Bangs to quote OP and say "well then OF COURSE you have reason to be concerned":::::::::

 

Before it happens, Bangs the point here is that responsible people don't assume when they don't know. You assumed she was exaggerating. Sounds like that was a safe assumption....

I think she has a reason to be moderately concerned for that one person... not the family as a whole.  Making an assumption does not equal a lack of responsibility - I merely asked questions and now I have finally gotten my answer - She has seen them do it once.  The OP did make it seem like it was a regular public occurrence.

Also - I never said you have a right to bring your firearm somewhere it is unlawful to do so - I merely stated way back that unless she has her event somewhere that does not allow firearms on the premises - all she really can do is ask, and it is up to the person to comply or not... if they don't, they are not breaking any laws.

2) The merits of responsible gun ownership - like not assuming children you've never met know how to handle a gun and that saying people are tossing around guns is like saying a spider is as big as your hand (FTW?).  I don't believe I ever said I assume children I meet for the first time know how to handle a firearm... I stated that maybe the children in this scenario do.  I don't understand how an example of exaggeration is being so misconstrued as to saying I think spiders are more potentially dangerous than firearms... It boggles my mind how twisted words can get on here sometimes.

Lastly - I am not a member of the NRA

@NYCBruin - I too would never leave my firearm out on a table in a room I was not sitting in.  However, if I'm sitting right there and its on my side table... its within my direct control.

Jennyandscott14

In most states it is illegal to carry a gun into a location that serves alcohol. Anybody who has a permit knows that.

BangBangs39

Jennyandscott14 said:

In most states it is illegal to carry a gun into a location that serves alcohol. Anybody who has a permit knows that.

In MA - it is unlawful to be under the influence of alcohol and posses your firearm - but you can go into any restaurant/bar that serves it.

AllieBear725

southernbelle0915 said:

:::::waiting for Bangs to quote OP and say "well then OF COURSE you have reason to be concerned":::::::::

Before it happens, Bangs the point here is that responsible people don't assume when they don't know. You assumed she was exaggerating. Sounds like that was a safe assumption....

When it comes to ANY firearm, or anything that could be used as a deadly weapon, it's never okay to assume. That's how accidents happen and people get killed.

When I took my CHL class our instructor put on a video of a small child at a wedding ironically... A fellow guest thought it would be a great idea to let the kid handle the gun, he took the clip out, but forgot he had racked it and there was a bullet in the chamber still, said kid, then pulls the trigger and shoots the guest in the face. Very graphic, yes, but the point was clear. A gun is not something to fuck around with. It's a WEAPON, it was designed to kill people.

southernbelle0915

StageManager14 said:

I propose a new gun law.  Anyone who seriously compares guns to cigarettes or spiders is immediately disqualified from owning one.

Vote for Stage!

Peledreamsofrain

I'm starting to wonder if some people invent their own super secret language, and use it on the boards without realizing it. This would explain why what they say never makes even the tiniest amount of sense, although they clearly believe it does.

AllieBear725

Yeah, while I agree with some of the things Bangs has said, I'm kind of at a loss about the spiders and guns being compared together. Spiders don't have triggers..... 

BangBangs39

AllieBear725 said:

Yeah, while I agree with some of the things Bangs has said, I'm kind of at a loss about the spiders and guns being compared together. Spiders don't have triggers..... 

I was comparing fear of items causing you to exaggerate - not items to one another - I don't know how much more plain English I can use then that, I think this is the 5th time I've said it.

astimmel

BangBangs39 said:

AllieBear725 said:

Yeah, while I agree with some of the things Bangs has said, I'm kind of at a loss about the spiders and guns being compared together. Spiders don't have triggers..... 

I was comparing fear of items causing you to exaggerate - not items to one another - I don't know how much more plain English I can use then that, I think this is the 5th time I've said it.

I can understand that. Like I'm terrified of craneflies, so when I talk about an encounter I have with one it's like "OMG IT WAS AS BIG AS MY HEAD!!" When in reality it was the size of a quarter.

BangBangs39

astimmel said:

BangBangs39 said:

AllieBear725 said:

Yeah, while I agree with some of the things Bangs has said, I'm kind of at a loss about the spiders and guns being compared together. Spiders don't have triggers..... 

I was comparing fear of items causing you to exaggerate - not items to one another - I don't know how much more plain English I can use then that, I think this is the 5th time I've said it.

I can understand that. Like I'm terrified of craneflies, so when I talk about an encounter I have with one it's like "OMG IT WAS AS BIG AS MY HEAD!!" When in reality it was the size of a quarter.

Exactly - I do that with snakes and spiders.  Craneflies gross me out too though.

BangBangs39

StageManager14 said:

And our point is WHY would you assume that "maybe the children in this scenario do".  You don't even know who said children are or what their home lives and backgrounds are.  

 

I would never assume it was even remotely likely that just because Susie is friends with Sally and Sally is marrying a man whose family all carry guns then Susie's kids would have cause to have firearms education.  

Its called giving someone the benefit of the doubt... its a quite common practice.  You are assuming these children don't know how to handle a firearm - so really either way an assumption is made, it just so happens you don't like mine.

daria24

BangBangs39 said:

StageManager14 said:

And our point is WHY would you assume that "maybe the children in this scenario do".  You don't even know who said children are or what their home lives and backgrounds are.  

 

I would never assume it was even remotely likely that just because Susie is friends with Sally and Sally is marrying a man whose family all carry guns then Susie's kids would have cause to have firearms education.  

Its called giving someone the benefit of the doubt... its a quite common practice.  You are assuming these children don't know how to handle a firearm - so really either way an assumption is made, it just so happens you don't like mine.

Yeah but her assumptions errs on the side of caution, your assumption could end up with a 2 year old shooting himself http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html

BangBangs39

@Sylvia Weis - Yes in a real life scenario I would never assume that - however this is a hypothetical situation - I highly doubt OP or her FI would post about it on the internet about how irresponsible these people are - all the while allowing it to happen in the presence of children who are un-trained.

@Daria24 - those stories are exactly why FI and I plan on teaching our children the importance of firearms safety from a very young age, just as our parents did with us.  I'm surprised that a 2 year old had the finger strength to over come the trigger pull - I'd be curious to know if the trigger had been modified to a lower weight. 

It's sad when something like that happens - and unfortunately the only person to blame is that particular family.  It is 100% that grandfathers fault his grandchild is dead and I can't imagine living with that.

astimmel

Well I think I've stirred things up enough for this week!

Thanks for all of the input and advice! I'm hoping we'll just fall out of touch enough with those people so that when the time comes we won't feel bad not inviting them. And I apologize if I started WWIII here.

I think it's time to leave work early and pick up some wine on the way home.

NYCBruin

astimmel said:

Well I think I've stirred things up enough for this week!

Thanks for all of the input and advice! I'm hoping we'll just fall out of touch enough with those people so that when the time comes we won't feel bad not inviting them. And I apologize if I started WWIII here.

I think it's time to leave work early and pick up some wine on the way home.

It's not your fault that your legitimate concern for children at your wedding sparked some seriously insane statements from BangBang (my god, I just realized how appropriate that name is).

Anyways, stick around!  

astimmel

NYCBruin said:

astimmel said:

Well I think I've stirred things up enough for this week!

Thanks for all of the input and advice! I'm hoping we'll just fall out of touch enough with those people so that when the time comes we won't feel bad not inviting them. And I apologize if I started WWIII here.

I think it's time to leave work early and pick up some wine on the way home.

It's not your fault that your legitimate concern for children at your wedding sparked some seriously insane statements from BangBang (my god, I just realized how appropriate that name is).

Anyways, stick around!  

Oh I'm staying. You guys can't scare me!

Peledreamsofrain

StageManager14 said:

daria24 said:

BangBangs39 said:

StageManager14 said:

And our point is WHY would you assume that "maybe the children in this scenario do".  You don't even know who said children are or what their home lives and backgrounds are.  

 

I would never assume it was even remotely likely that just because Susie is friends with Sally and Sally is marrying a man whose family all carry guns then Susie's kids would have cause to have firearms education.  

Its called giving someone the benefit of the doubt... its a quite common practice.  You are assuming these children don't know how to handle a firearm - so really either way an assumption is made, it just so happens you don't like mine.

Yeah but her assumptions errs on the side of caution, your assumption could end up with a 2 year old shooting himself http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/31/trenton_mathis_accidental_shooting_another_day_another_accidental_child.html

I already pointed that out earlier, which is when she initally said she WASN'T making an assumption, before she decided that she was after all.

I'm telling ypu Stage: super secret language. Maybe 'YAaaaay kids and guns are the best mix evaaaar" translates to "I am a responsible gun owner horrified by the idea of having children unattended with guns" Only way any of the past 3 pages makes even a little sense.