future_mrs

pinkpinot · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:cfc978e4-4273-4a17-a57f-7ecd3afbbfdc">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]Okay so it just so happens that the hotmail email address that was used for the callouts was traced to Hays, KS. And there is a person who has publicly stated a dislike for some people who received vicious emails with their pictures in them, and then that person also happens to live in Hays, KS. That's a lot of coincidences right there.
Posted by vallyhoo[/QUOTE]

And, said person is a Mod on TK which means they would have a "Knot Career"

Stackeye210 · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:944ad22a-60f5-4c04-a816-91dacd549653">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : I don't know if this was meant as a joke, but it definitely made me CQTM.
Posted by marriedfilingjointly[/QUOTE]

:) I dont know what it meant to be honest. The who call out thing exhausts me into crazy talk. I just wish it could in fact be "figured out" for the sole purpose of letting it rest. I just hate that it happened and I really hope someone isn't getting wrongfully accused.

I guess my point was, I don't see Dani accusing someone unless she felt very strongly. I myself have not seen and/or researched any of the "evidence" (for lack of a better word) and am not making an opinion about Future_mrs - just simply following the posts as they unfold.

pumpkinpumpkin · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:9935cd58-f84b-4221-a93d-99384647ac12">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]Cyberbulling involves minors. Pretty sure Mrs. is over 18. <a href="http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html</a>
Posted by marriedfilingjointly[/QUOTE]

I'm confused, are you advocating that this wasn't cyber bullying because it involves adults?
Because you were one of the biggest advocates that it was.

alixzafiris · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:633399d4-7136-450d-b843-79fe6ed67b56">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]Or maybe whoever was doing this used a proxy and chose an IP address that happened to be in KS. If using a proxy, you can choose your own IP address.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Generally speaking, if you have the script from the original email (which I did and I know Squirrly did) you can look for proxy use in the code. Unless it's a private proxy for totally anonymous emails - unlikely in this instance and with a hotmail site in my opinion - in which case it's near impossible to tell. Right? Right? Validate me dammit.

Stackeye210 · September 2010

And see......I'm so slow MFJ that I just realized how that could read as a joke.

Anysunrise · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:e8203548-e356-49eb-9d6f-396b2f8d9fe8">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : I'm confused, are you advocating that this wasn't cyber bullying because it involves adults? Because you were one of the biggest advocates that it was.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

I assumed from the link that she meant it's not technically cyberbullying, it's cyberstalking/harassment.

marriedfilingjointly · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:e8203548-e356-49eb-9d6f-396b2f8d9fe8">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : I'm confused, are you advocating that this wasn't cyber bullying because it involves adults? Because you were one of the biggest advocates that it was.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

You must have me confused with someone else. I never called it cyber bulling. The legal definition of cyberbulling is where at least one minor involved. Adults harassing each other online is called cyber harassment. But I never called it that, either.

Blueyed228 · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:5517cca4-138a-48eb-88f8-0fe547f67261">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : Yes, because what goes on here daily is on the same level as what went on on the callout site. Really now.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

Maybe it is for some people. Those who get called stupid, dumb, ignorant, etc. Maybe those people who get called out regularly on boards? To the point where they GBCK? My point is that it happens on here all the time. You can hardly gauge the extent of peoples hurt feelings.

The only difference between that site and what happens here is that there are people like the mods and KA who will ban people for attacking appearance, making threats, etc. But that doesnt mean that it still doesnt happen. It just doesnt happen continuously because they get thrown off the boards immediately.

SarahPLiz · September 2010

FWIW,

FI's email to me from across town shows up as an IP in Sunnyvale, CA. But that's his corporate email.

My stepfather's hotmail address shows up as somewhere in Newton, Ks. I'm pretty sure he has never even been to Newton, KS. He certainly doesn't live there.

So yeah, it could be a coincidence.

tortis · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:b9c869bd-eb1c-4da4-9c4f-c7f5b834dd1c">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]IAnd lawyers etc being involved? For what? Someone made a site that was mean, people got their feelings hurt, it was taken down. How is that illegal? If KA and Co. have an issue with TK being mentioned on other sites without permission, then I would expect them to have an issue with the TKPS site as well. Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Lawyers are involved because there are potential lawsuits involved. The Knot itself is probably entitled to a lawsuit, as well as any of the indiviuals who were mentioned, if they were readily identifiable. Crimes are still crimes even though they happen on the Internet. We always say that "this is just a message board," but when you use the internet to harass and intimidate people, that is a crime just as it would be if it happened on a street corner.

Link to basics on computer crime:
<a href="http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ccmanual/appxa.html">http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ccmanual/appxa.html</a>

Link to the United States Code regarding Internet and Electronic Harassment. Subsections (a)(1)(C) and (a)(1)(E) in specific.
<a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000223----000-.html">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000223----000-.html</a>

marriedfilingjointly · September 2010

Thanks tortis. I like your screen name.

maratea · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:de2c5554-2bb7-4b53-8197-991d8d82b642">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : Generally speaking, if you have the script from the original email (which I did and I know Squirrly did) you can look for proxy use in the code. Unless it's a private proxy for totally anonymous emails - unlikely in this instance and with a hotmail site in my opinion - in which case it's near impossible to tell. Right? Right? Validate me dammit.
Posted by alixzafiris[/QUOTE]

If you set your browser to default to the chosen proxy, does it also send e-mails from that proxy IP? Or do e-mails come from the IP address that the user's internet/network has? Oh god, I'm talking about tech stuff. I need to run away.

pumpkinpumpkin · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:86984e99-fe2f-41f1-a1d1-8d95d0317724">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : You must have me confused with someone else. I never called it cyber bulling. The legal definition of cyberbulling is where at least one minor involved. Adults harassing each other online is called cyber harassment. But I never called it that, either.
Posted by marriedfilingjointly[/QUOTE]

Either way, you were a pretty huge advocate to have it taken down for so many reasons.

laladypoet · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:4f2bfd84-5757-4686-a7d4-c36832f1f701">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : Honestly, if a whole bunch of people were accusing me of doing something, regardless of whether or not I actually did it, I'd probably dump them all too. Even the ones that weren't. Because I wouldn't want people to know any more about my personal life because it was her personal info that was used to make these accusations.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]
what personal info? the fact that she lives in Kansas? she's the mod of that board!

crfische · September 2010

I'm pretty sure it was Miss Scarlet in the library with the candlestick.

tortis · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:89da45ba-48e4-4816-b5f8-5ad01123a0cd">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : If being mean to people online is a crime, then every single one of us on these boards is guilty.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

There's a difference between being "mean" in the way that people say the boards are when they don't get peopel agreeing with them and telling P2 that her husband who has cancer is better off dead than with her and telling Heels that they wished her dog would die. "No you shouldn't have a tiered reception and making people stand through a ceremony is tacky and rude to your guests" =/= "You are such an awful human being that the people in your lives would be better off dead."

alixzafiris · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:ff2a8d1f-0fc7-447d-a78e-351e6a90a8ac">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : If you set your browser to default to the chosen proxy, does it also send e-mails from that proxy IP? Or do e-mails come from the IP address that the user's internet/network has? Oh god, I'm talking about tech stuff. I need to run away.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

It should just route through your provider's location unless you're specifically using an anonymous private routing proxy, which is definitely not a default settnig and actually takes a bit of work to set up. In this case it was a local, independent internet service provider (Squirrly and I ended up with a service provider, IP, street address of this specific account) in Hays, KS with no visible proxy used.

Blueyed228 · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:cf6449b8-02c4-4989-a6b4-b3667cc25672">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : Lawyers are involved because there are potential lawsuits involved. The Knot itself is probably entitled to a lawsuit, as well as any of the indiviuals who were mentioned, if they were readily identifiable. Crimes are still crimes even though they happen on the Internet. We always say that "this is just a message board," but when you use the internet to harass and intimidate people, that is a crime just as it would be if it happened on a street corner. Link to basics on computer crime: <a href="http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ccmanual/appxa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ccmanual/appxa.html</a> Link to the United States Code regarding Internet and Electronic Harassment. Subsections (a)(1)(C) and (a)(1)(E) in specific. <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000223----000-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000223----000-.html</a>
Posted by tortis[/QUOTE]

I guess I just dont get how telling people you dont like them online is harassment. To me the only people who would really have a case would be P2 with the comment about her husband and maybe Heels for the "go away forever" comment.

The rest was mean, but hardly threatening. There are sites all over the world professing their dislike for people. It just seems silly. I have a few friends on fb that post nasty things about their ex's. Should they being filing lawsuits as well?

pinkpinot · September 2010

I am so not technical and do not understand legal jargin but let's say someone got in trouble for the site, would the people who submitted the content also get in trouble? Would Tumbler be liable?

tortis · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:e8203548-e356-49eb-9d6f-396b2f8d9fe8">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : I'm confused, are you advocating that this wasn't cyber bullying because it involves adults? Because you were one of the biggest advocates that it was.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

Nope. The law says "Whoever-" There may be a separate offense for cyberbullying that pertains to juveniles,but the federal statute in regards to electronic communication applies to a person regardless of their age.

alixzafiris · September 2010

No man, Professor Plum in the conservatory with the lead pipe.

pumpkinpumpkin · September 2010

I guess I just dont get how telling people you dont like them online is harassment. To me the only people who would really have a case would be P2 with the comment about her husband and maybe Heels for the "go away forever" comment.

I'd like to know how someone saying my husband is better off dead is even comparable to someone saying "go away forever".

marriedfilingjointly · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:055b2859-a23d-45f7-b16b-16414b863621">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : Either way, you were a pretty huge advocate to have it taken down for so many reasons.
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

What is your point? Pretty much 95% of us wanted it taken down.

laladypoet · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:a0e4be5f-a2e6-40d1-a6ff-6f417232a90e">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]personally it would burn my a$$ if someone accused me of doing something like that, and I would want to defend my own honour - but that's just me.
Posted by xyrius[/QUOTE]
canadian.

marriedfilingjointly · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:1e6277e2-2c76-4aad-a3f7-4fd083944451">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]I guess I just dont get how telling people you dont like them online is harassment. To me the only people who would really have a case would be P2 with the comment about her husband and maybe Heels for the "go away forever" comment. I'd like to know how someone saying my husband is better off dead is even comparable to someone saying "go away forever".
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

I guess some people read "go away forever" as "die." That didn't occur to me until someone pointed it out, and I have no idea what the writer's intention was. Regardless, it didn't bother me. The one about my pup did.

pumpkinpumpkin · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:657e1e9c-bf6d-4f4e-b013-3572e5cea50e">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : What is your point? Pretty much 95% of us wanted it taken down.
Posted by marriedfilingjointly[/QUOTE]

You made a comment earlier about it not being cyber bullying. Boofuckinghoo if it's not cyber bullying, it was most certainly harassment, which you yourself said.

Blueyed228 · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:fb8b9fba-497f-4d30-a1cb-fe2d5dc51553">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: future_mrs : There's a difference between being "mean" in the way that people say the boards are when they don't get peopel agreeing with them and telling P2 that her husband who has cancer is better off dead than with her and telling Heels that they wished her dog would die. "No you shouldn't have a tiered reception and making people stand through a ceremony is tacky and rude to your guests" =/= "You are such an awful human being that the people in your lives would be better off dead."
Posted by tortis[/QUOTE]

Clearly this is not the type of comments I was talking about. Maybe you have not been around long enough to know what I mean. Or maybe you have, who knows. But I am talking more about the personal vendettas people have against each other that have been going on for a long time, and the things that get people banned.

marriedfilingjointly · September 2010

Whatever p2. You are entering tin foil hat territory.

tortis · September 2010

Pink- Generally sites that host blogs or message boards (aka sites where they are providing the ability for others to put content online but are not themselves the ones posting the content) are not liable for the things that are posted on them. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT. I feel like people are going to jump all over that. Most sites also limit attempt to limit their liability in some way by making you sign a terms of agreement.

For example. If M&M wanted to delete a thread on here and someone complained about it, M&M and TK probably wouldn't get in trouble because a) they didn't post the content that was offensive, and b) the government doesnt want to potentially hold messsage boards liable for what they chose to seld-censor (Like if they delete some offensive posts but don't see others. They don't want to punish the sites for trying.)

Blueyed228 · September 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_futuremrs-1?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:c00b9833-2e40-4050-9d0a-04b1e660f235Post:1e6277e2-2c76-4aad-a3f7-4fd083944451">Re: future_mrs</a>:
[QUOTE]I'd like to know how someone saying my husband is better off dead is even comparable to someone saying "go away forever".
Posted by pumpkinpumpkin[/QUOTE]

Where did I say that? I said the only one with a case would be the 2 of you. Meaning the only comments that fit the "bully" description or "Threatening" were those 2 specific comments so dont put words in my mouth.

future_mrs

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