What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare?

mica178 · March 2012

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New Zealand. I love kiwi fruit, kiwi birds and the kiwi people.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

LC- Here is one of the Forbes articles I was talking about.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/04/29/why-switzerland-has-the-worlds-best-health-care-system/

musicalsunlight · March 2012

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[QUOTE]I would sincerely hate to have to be the attorney arguing in favor of the bill. That's a damn daunting job from where I'm standing.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

Right? I was thinking that too. I mean, it is an honor to argue in front of the SCOTUS though, so at least they have that leftover.

chelseamb11 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]LC I think I read on CNN that it was a three day hearing.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]

Didn't they say though that a decision wouldn't be made until June?

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

I think DJ and Blue both make valid points. I think we should absolutely be looking at any country who has a system that works, but those countries are all considerably smaller than the US. The only countries comparable to ours in terms of population are China and India. One is Communist and the other has a system that doesn't work very well.

musicalsunlight · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Didn't they say though that a decision wouldn't be made until June?
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

Oh I have no doubt the decision will take a while. Just the arguments are 3 days. Decisions usually take at least several months.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Thanks for the link Blue. I'm reading it now.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Yaga- the govt run insurance policies would basically be like Medicaid, not Medicare. You dont have to be 65 for Medicaid.

musicalsunlight · March 2012

I don't blame them for taking a few months to make a decision. That is a lot of research and shiit even aside from the debating between justices.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]I think DJ and Blue both make valid points. I think we should absolutely be looking at any country who has a system that works, but those countries are all considerably smaller than the US. The only countries comparable to ours in terms of population are China and India. One is Communist and the other has a system that doesn't work very well.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

Those countries are also rich too. I agree though, I just dont think it would hurt to take a look at how they do it and see if at least some parts could help us.

In Switzerland, you can choose from over 100 insurance providers. Having that kind of free market here would help out immensely IMO.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

I'm with you. I wholeheartedly believe that the free market is the answer to the problem more often than not, and that's not just healthcare. If you let a market run the way it's supposed to, without government interference, a lot of problems take care of themselves.

mica178 · March 2012

Great article, Blue.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Yaga- what do you think health insurance is going to look like under Obamacare? Do you think its going to look the way private insurance looks now, or more like Medicaid?

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Mica and LC- that writer does a lot of blogs about healthcare stuff. His viewpoint is really interesting.

rhodesign · March 2012

"Switzerland has a free and open market. They are all required to have it, but not required to have Govt run health care."

Blue, I highlighted this because I wanted to ask you: isn't this what Mass Health is like and what essentially Obamacare (or whatever you wanna call it) is proposing? People are required to have insurance and there is a government option that you can have but aren't required to get?

This whole thing makes my head hurt. I agree with almost all of you on many points. Overall, I've always been in favor of universal healthcare if we actually could get it off the ground and be viable. how to get there is the rough part.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

That was a really good article.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Yeah but Medicaid is already insolvent. Adding another 16 million ain't gonna help. My biggest problem with all this (ignoring the Constitutional aspect) is that we don't have the money for it. When you take this legislation out of the equation, we still don't have any money. Our government is fucking broke, and they kind of suck at managing money anyway. Our bigger problem, even bigger than the healthcare thing, is a monetary policy problem, and it won't get addressed any time soon. And when it all comes to a head, and it will, it will make the Great Depression look like a fucking stroll in the park.

jemmini6 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]FORCING someone to pay for health insurance is ridiculous and such an over-reach of the government that I don't understand how anyone thinks it's ok. I mean. I'm all for a complete overhaul of our health system. But forcing people to buy into the shittastic system that's already in place is stupid. But then again, that's exactly why the government is doing it. They have a great history of trying to bandaid things that require a far bigger solution. Also, I like when LC comes to play.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

I know this was a while back, but I agree with all of this.

We need a complete overhaul of the system, and forcing people to buy policies won't change that. The only thing it does is maybe temporarily abate premium increases, but even then, it's a stretch.

Regardless, making it mandatory for the public to buy a private product is so unconstitutional, no matter what that product is.

chelseamb11 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]It's going to look like it does now, considering over 50% of the insured population will still be covered by their employer-based health insurance policy. In addition, people who don't work for large employers will buy coverage from private insurers. Only 16 million people will be added to Medicaid ("only" is subjective). Another 16 million will be covered by buying a policy through the exchanges. For people who get their health care coverage through an employer, pretty much nothing is changing.
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

Yes and no. There's also the side of this that is requiring WHAT employers need to have covered under insurance. For people that get private insurance through, for example, a Catholic employer, they aren't paying for BC coverage. With this mandate however, they need to pay for it, which will make the premium higher. That cost will either need to be eaten by the employee or the employer. The mandate isn't just saying who needs to have it. It's saying what they need to have.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]It's going to look like it does now, considering over 50% of the insured population will still be covered by their employer-based health insurance policy. In addition, people who don't work for large employers will buy coverage from private insurers. Only 16 million people will be added to Medicaid ("only" is subjective). Another 16 million will be covered by buying a policy through the exchanges. For people who get their health care coverage through an employer, pretty much nothing is changing.
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

If you really believe this, and you really believe that companies are not going to drop their employee insurance befefits, then there really isnt anything else I can say.

We are not spending 2 trillion dollars for just 16 million people. And people who dont pay for their own healthcare now are certainly not going to all of a sudden pony up for it.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]It's going to look like it does now, considering over 50% of the insured population will still be covered by their employer-based health insurance policy. In addition, people who don't work for large employers will buy coverage from private insurers. Only 16 million people will be added to Medicaid ("only" is subjective). Another 16 million will be covered by buying a policy through the exchanges. For people who get their health care coverage through an employer, pretty much nothing is changing.
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

so. You're still missing a ton of people (unless 118,000 people are already on Medicaid.) That or, 118,000 people are 'just' going to 'buy coverage from private insurers.'

Where's the reality?

Blueyed228 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]"Switzerland has a free and open market. They are all required to have it, but not required to have Govt run health care." Blue, I highlighted this because I wanted to ask you: isn't this what Mass Health is like and what essentially Obamacare (or whatever you wanna call it) is proposing? People are required to have insurance and there is a government option that you can have but aren't required to get? This whole thing makes my head hurt. I agree with almost all of you on many points. Overall, I've always been in favor of universal healthcare if we actually could get it off the ground and be viable. how to get there is the rough part.
Posted by rhodesign[/QUOTE]

Not really. There isnt a free market here for insurance companies. We have some of the highest insurance premiums in the country (if not THE highest) because of it. If they would allow anyone to offer coverage, then it might be a different story.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

This reminds me of when they said Medicare was going to cost 2 billion dollars in the first few years in the 90's and it ended up costing 100 billion dollars.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Totally unrelated, and I'm sure this has been addressed like a thousand times in a thousand other threads, but how in the everloving hell do I change my sig? it won't let me do it anymore

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Mine never went away (I don't think, I wasn't around for a while), but I'm going to change it like I normally do, and I keep getting an error message. I logged out and back in, and keep getting the same message. There must be some trick I don't know about.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Heh. I bet that's it

chelseamb11 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Mine never went away (I don't think, I wasn't around for a while), but I'm going to change it like I normally do, and I keep getting an error message. I logged out and back in, and keep getting the same message. There must be some trick I don't know about.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

I got an error message when I used photobucket, but then I tried tinypic and it worked fine.

ricksang · March 2012

Good luck, I finally said eff it when I couldn't put a sig back in my posts.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

Yeah I'm using photobucket. Maybe that's it. Dammit. I don't want to have to switch photosharing sites.

ricksang · March 2012

I was using shutterfly...

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