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AmoroAgain · August 2009

The church has traditionally held sway over marriage and all matters pertaining to it (children, division of assets, annulments, etc) However, because of the way people move, and have legal marriages through the state (though they may be ordained in a church) you are not technically married until you sign a legal document. The words you say don't mean anything.Therefore, the church does not represent marriage. The state does.

sucrets4 · August 2009

Ditto ciara - I think marriage is legal and can be blessed by god or whatever in addition to the legal part.Times have changed from the bible...if we can eat shellfish and wear synthetic fibers, can't other things change now?

KA2 · August 2009

see @ ciaram - that's where we disagree - I believe marriage is ordained by God and under the church and much more than a legal union.

agk0125 · August 2009

KA, would you have a problem with gay couples being married legally at the justice of the peace? Or do you not agree that they should have the same legal rights as straight couples?

ricksang · August 2009

Because two people who are in love should have every right and privleage as I have. Why should some so called God (that no one but Jesus has seen) and a fictional book dictate who can and can not fukc or get married. The Bible is not a reasonable argument. It is like saying unicorns or Harry Potter don't want gays to get married.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

KA, I think we all get that, however, in the eyes of the state, it is a legal document. You could be blessed by the church and by God all you want- doesn't mean you're married.

ggmae · August 2009

Obviously, it's a complicated topic. I think it should be called whatever a couple wants to call it. If a gay couple believes that they are joint together in marriage, then so be it. If others disagree, tough cookies for them. It's not their relationship and not their life. I just don't understand how that offends some people.

mandysmear · August 2009

I don't know if I am understanding this properly. Are you saying that because I didn't get married in a church and had no mention of god in our ceremony, it is not a marriage but a legal union? Sorry if I misunderstood what you said, just trying to clarify.

ricksang · August 2009

And sorry to my P&E girls who believe in God. I just think the Bible is the reason for all the really bad things in this world. Gosh, I sound like a liberal lol! Told ya my political veiws were odd.

yuodelj · August 2009

Do you believe guns kill people or people kill people....same goes for the good book.

ggmae · August 2009

Ang - I

you.

AmoroAgain · August 2009

Ang, I agree, but I broaden it to all religion. If you look at the reason why India and Pakistan exist, it's because one group was Hindi and one group was Muslim. They hate each other and do horrible things in the name of religion. Christians hating Muslims hating Jews.... the list goes on. It's awful.

Ciaram22 · August 2009

If that is the case then why do you have to get a license and sign a legal document after all is said and done?

mandysmear · August 2009

Ricks I actually agree with you on that. I cringe when I'm at a church wedding and the priest says something along the lines of the couple being married to each other but also to god.

ggmae · August 2009

Yuo - People kill people of course.

kkchisholm · August 2009

sucrets- I love that argument. In the same section of the bible (liviticus) it states man laying with a man is wrong, as well as eating shell fish. I am sure christians all over the world eat clams and scallops:)

ricksang · August 2009

Oh Amoro believe me, other religions do not skip my POV :P

sucrets4 · August 2009

I just don't get how people take it so literally when it has been translated so many times. I'm sure SOMETHING was lost in the translation.I read an interview with someone in Cosmo (someone bilingual, can't remember who), and she wanted to make sure she was answering the questions in the language that it was going to be printed in because she didn't want to be misunderstood.

ricksang · August 2009

I love you too GG. Eye to Eye, you and I. ;P

yuodelj · August 2009

To each her own.. If going JOP was right for you so be it. I got married in a church because I wanted to be married in the eyes of God. Although you do bring up a good point as to what to call it if you go JOP. That's a great question for my priest.....

lyndausvi · August 2009

1) hell no. But I think that might be an island thing. 2) function on only 3 hours sleep 3) For. What do I care if 2 people of the same gender want to commit to one another? I agree that houses of worship should not be made to marriage gay people. Churches are some what discriminatory anyway, gay or otherwise. Catholic woman can not be priests, Morman's do not let non-Morman's go to weddings in the temple, some sects of Muslim's do not let woman inside the Mosque, etc. Some Christian sects ::cough-cults-cough:: give woman zero rights. 4) nope

KA2 · August 2009

people kill people not guns. According to my beliefs, I do not believe that God intended for gay relationships to exist - but that is what I believe and that is why I am against it. but back to the topic - again this is hard for me to separate because I believe a marriage needs to be blessed by the Church and even if you do a JOP legal ceremony, I believe, even if it's just the two of you and the minister, you still need it to be blessed by God. I've stated my opinions/ beliefs and because our beliefs differ greatly in what constitutes a marriage and what doesn't I cannot attempt to convince you to see things my way or vice-versa. And no whether or not you choose to have a Church ceremony or not is your prerogative.

ggmae · August 2009

Yuo - We JOPed and it is a marriage. DH is religious, I am not. I did not feel comfortable being married in a church or by an ordained minister/pastor, so we found a JOP and were married outside. In our eyes and the eyes of everyone who knows us and was there, it's a marriage.

yuodelj · August 2009

People can do things "in the name of God" that God does not approve of. Just because people started wars using God as an excuse does not mean God or the Bible are bad.

sucrets4 · August 2009

KA - that's all well and good, but why should other people have to live by your beliefs?

ricksang · August 2009

People kill people. People created the Bible and re-create it over and over again. It is people who twist the words of the Bible to fit their own POV. What is your point?

KA2 · August 2009

@ mandysmear - I do believe that a marriage involves not only the man and woman getting married, but also God. This is because I believe God ordained the institution of marriage and for a successful marriage, God needs to be the center. Again, like I said, my opinion and my beliefs

WildRumpus · August 2009

Shouldn't it be someone's purgative to choose who they marry? Just throwing that out there...

Ciaram22 · August 2009

The only reason I am not using a JOP for the ceremony is because FFIL is a baptist minister. I love him and felt it made the ceremony that much more for it to be done by a family member.When I told my step mom (who is very religious) that FI's gay father who is a minister was doing the ceremony she started to freak out. I told her that was what we wanted and she had to deal with it.

ggmae · August 2009

KA - Who is to say that just because we were married by a JOP outdoors that God wasn't there and that He didn't bless our marriage? How does one actually know if a marriage has been blessed by God?

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