Agree or disagree?

shannonalise · October 2009

A friend of mine just posted this as her status update on facebook:Turn off your cellphone, cancel your cable or satellite, shut down your internet access, buy all of your clothes, shoes, and accessories second-hand, pawn your ipod, sell your car, don't buy alcohol or drugs, cut down your social life and move into low-income housing. Then we'll talk about me paying for your healthcare. Until then, I refuse to believe that it's impossible for you to take care of your health yourself. Agree or disagree? Personally, I'm not sure that arguing for selling everything you own and putting yourself in low income housing without a single luxury in order to buy healthcare is a good argument for the current system.

IrishBrideND · October 2009

She's making a hell of a lot of assumptions in that sentence.

shannonalise · October 2009

I completely agree. A LOT of assumptions.

ndzenowski · October 2009

I do not agree with socialized healthcare but I think her mentality is seriously skewed. Personally I don't see most of those as true luxuries. A lot of places won't hire you if you don't have a car or secured transportation, I think it's unsafe to not have a cell phone- and stupid if you don't have a LAN line- and not everyone who has no healthcare is living beyond their means.

Sooles · October 2009

i agree with te others, there are far too many assumptions going on there. but i get so pissed when people get financial aid because of their low incomes when they have things like:-ipods-cable tv-smoking habits**-a car-brand name clothing or shoes-laptopsi know people who get welfare etc who have all of these things and i cannot afford ONE of them.

Sooles · October 2009

gah. i just re-read that and realized its about healthcare. i suck.

shannonalise · October 2009

Yes, I agree. I've been really busy lately so I have not been keeping track of all the new revisions to the HC bill, but isn't the premise of the entire system that everyone buys into it (unless you live in poverty) and it helps with the overall cost? Or something like that? Therefore, her statement about paying for someone else's healthcare doesn't make sense to me. And how is the current system any different in terms of subsidizing the costs of the uninsured?

[Deleted User] · October 2009

Unfortunately, there will always be people who take advantage of government aid and programs. While it bugs the shiit out of me that my next door neighbor has her kid in private school but receives assistance, I know it's there for those that truly need it.

fangsiting · October 2009

So your friend wants me in subsidized housing? She wants to pay for my rent & my healthcare! She's so nice!

IrishBrideND · October 2009

There will always be people who take advantage of any program. The MAJORITY don't though, so getting upset about the small percentage who do isn't worth my energy.

sarah0725 · October 2009

I still think taxing soda to pay for health care is one of the best ideas I've heard. Good to tax one of the biggest sources of our health problems in this country.And no, I do not agree with your friend. All you have to do is just keep your eyes and ears open, and you will hear plenty of terrible, impossible stories of people who just can't get the health care they need in this country, and in the United States, where we have so much, this should not be happening. My brother is one of those people - epileptic so he can't drive, was unable to finish his Ph.D., probably because of the meds affecting his brain, now living at home with my parents, swamped in student loan debt, no health insurance, having a seizure about once a month, can't work because he isn't seizure-free and suffering from major depression as a result of all the other stuff, and he can't get health insurance to cover his epilepsy because it's a pre-existing condition. Someone should be taking care of my brother.

shannonalise · October 2009

Fang, that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think she knows what low-income housing is. "She's so nice!" HA! :)Sarah, that's awful. I'm sorry.

It's ridiculous that he can't get assistance.

IrishBrideND · October 2009

I think if they worked on getting the people who just abuse the assistance off if it, people would be more open to the idea of healthcare. They do work at that. I think many don't understand what you have to do to qualify. No matter what they do though, there will be some who abuse it. Its a small percent though. btw: I am undecided on UHC, I just hate to see ignorant statements like the OP's friend.

AlexiaANDRobert · October 2009

I was pretty pissed when the lady in front of me at the grocery store with 4 kids used her independence card to buy $500 worth of jumbo lump crab meat and filet mignon then drove away in her brand new Expedition since I can't afford any of that. So since I'm feeding her gourmet lifestyle, I don't want to pay for her health insurance too. But the recently divorced woman that was a SAHM thats having trouble finding work now and has 2 young kids, yeah I'm a little more inclined to pay for her and the kids.THIS - times a bajillion.

Sooles · October 2009

i live in canada so i dont even know if my opinion counts in this matter since we're talkign USA here - but i would gladly double my taxes (seriously) if i knew it was helping people IN NEED of the help.i am turned off of it because of my own experiences - such as my mom (and most other single moms i knew as a kid) NOT working, or trying to work, because they were making more off welfare than they would make working full time for minimum wage. these are people who were perfectly capable of working and not disabled in any way.

jfgrad06 · October 2009

Ehh I don't really agree with all the points your friend made. But I do agree with the PPs when they say I sure as hell don't want to pay for your health care when you buy your groceries with food stamps and drive away in your escalade. It's wrong.There needs to be more policing of who gets it and who doesn't. Obviously, that's much easier said than done.I was listening to a conversation on the radio one day and a woman had called in and was literally bragging about how easy it is to beat the system and how much the government is doing for her. She lives with a man that makes boat loads of money (she doesn't work at all) but they aren't married. Since they aren't married, to the government, she looks like a pitiful little woman with no income that needs help when she's really just playing the system. People like that make me freaking sick.

IrishBrideND · October 2009

I think some people in this thread need to spend some more time with the poor. Then they'll realize that most aren't using it to buy a big screen and an escalade. Wowza

IrishBrideND · October 2009

I used to live in work in Bmore. I've seen people struggle to get help who need it.

SwedishChick2011 · October 2009

I'm not in favor of nationalized healthcare. However, this chick sounds like an idiot and is making way too many assumptions.

[Deleted User] · October 2009

Did anyone see the show where Old Dirty Basterd drove up in a limo to collect his goverment check? As awful as it was, it made me laugh.

buttaflai · October 2009

Irish is wise. Listen to her.

sarah0725 · October 2009

I'm with Irish on this one. I've never looked at people in the grocery store to try to figure out how they're paying for groceries (although sometimes I look and feel smug to myself about other people's bad food choices), and I just figure that we have those programs for a reason, and most of the people who are on them need to be on them.

ndzenowski · October 2009

*Unfortunately, there will always be people who take advantage of government aid and programs. While it bugs the shiit out of me that my next door neighbor has her kid in private school but receives assistance, I know it's there for those that truly need it. * I can understand this a bit because where I come from, private schools or catholic schools provide an infinitly better education than private schools ever could. I think people deserve to give their kids the best education possible. I went to catholic school via scholarships b/c we couldn't afford it It's not letting me italicize- perhaps my priviledges were provoked.

ndzenowski · October 2009

*than public schools ever could. oops

[Deleted User] · October 2009

I went to catholic school via scholarships b/c we couldn't afford itAnd I'd be fine with this. This kid is not on scholarship.

IrishBrideND · October 2009

about the private school comment: MANY private schools provide full rides. Mine did. We had kids in there who came from nothing. Why would you assunme they are paying for it while gettin assistance?

[Deleted User] · October 2009

Because she told me they were.

[Deleted User] · October 2009

I'm not sure about the specifics. It's definitely not the most expensive private school, but it's more than free. Like I said, it just bugs me. It doesn't make me think any less of others that use programs. I just know more about her situation.

IrishBrideND · October 2009

sorry. My bad. I DDed because I thought I was being a b!tch for no reason.

MsAverette2b · October 2009

I think many of you who do not understand the anger some other feel about people who take advantage of the system must live in areas where the abuse is just not prevelant. Come check out lower Alabama. There is a reason sterotypes exist and I think it stems from people living in the southern states that are living "on the system" It's a fact that an abundance of the "llow income" people on it in the south are taking advantage. My main problem with this and with the healthcare issue is why is it always someone else's responsibility to take care of you? EVERYTIME i go to the grocery store I'm behind someone using food stamps, buying luxury items, dressed head to toe in name brands (as are their kids) while I pay full price for whatever is on sale. These people will tell you straight up, "I make more sitting at home having babies than if i worked." There has got to be means for the gov't to check on this. If they would put an effort into it, they could recoup so much money. I also there shold be a time-limit. Period. There are generations breeding generations who know nothing else than to live off the system

IrishBrideND · October 2009

think many of you who do not understand the anger some other feel about people who take advantage of the system must live in areas where the abuse is just not prevelant. Come check out lower Alabama. There is a reason sterotypes exist and I think it stems from people living in the southern states that are living "on the system" It's a fact that an abundance of the "llow income" people on it in the south are taking advantage. My main problem with this and with the healthcare issue is why is it always someone else's responsibility to take care of you? EVERYTIME i go to the grocery store I'm behind someone using food stamps, buying luxury items, dressed head to toe in name brands (as are their kids) while I pay full price for whatever is on sale. These people will tell you straight up, "I make more sitting at home having babies than if i worked." There has got to be means for the gov't to check on this. If they would put an effort into it, they could recoup so much money. I also there shold be a time-limit. Period. There are generations breeding generations who know nothing else than to live off the systemReally? Every time? Why on earth are you paying so much attention to what people in front of you are buying and using to buy their food? Seriously!And why do you think this is a "Southern state" thing?

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