This makes me ragey.

[Deleted User] · June 2012

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[QUOTE]I do have to go back to LDYs question about what's happened to parents. I mean I think all of us posting here are within the same one or two generations, and we all have similar HS/parenting stories, so something happened after our parents generation was raised, to make the ones behind them parent the way they do. Is it because the parents now grew up in the 80's, a relatively stable, lucrative time for most people? Were they used to getting the things they want so they think their children should as well?
Posted by mkrupar[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think it's backlash against latchkey-style parenting that was big when we were growing up. I wasn't one, so I'm not sure, but I have a theory that a lot of those latchkey kids felt abandoned, so wanted to make sure they raised their kids in a way that makes them feel loved and supported. Of course, modern parenting trends go way, way too far. The pendulum has gone much too far in the other direction, and all this stuff being talked about here is the outcome of that.

Again, just a theory.

abbitha7 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : We're hoping to homeschool for 8 or 10 years and send them to public school for 2 - 4. I don't understand why my husband has an issue with it. He things homeschooles are socially akward and naive. I am quirky, but I would have been in special needs/learning disabled in public school, and I am just different. I think that public schools don't teach near as much as home school or private school does, and he won't go for either. We'll see what happens when we have kids. :)
Posted by StefffiC[/QUOTE]

Haha, that's exactly what my H thinks! Yeah, I'm a little weird at times, but isn't everyone? Homeschooling can be all-around better, especially right now with all of the cuts being made in education. I student taught in classrooms with nearly 30 students, and observed classrooms with more than that. Nothing beats the one on one attention you can get in a smaller setting, and right now, home is the only place where you'll get that. Good luck! Hopefully you can at least do some work at home with your kids, even if they attend public school. :)

wadingmoose · June 2012

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[QUOTE]We were in a restaurant a few weeks back and a family had a child that would not behave. The father removed him from the restaurant and sat in the car with him until the family finished their meal. Does it suck that dad missed dinner because his child was misbehaving? Kind of. But that's the kind of thing you have to do when you're a parent. My parents would remove us from places too if we were unruly. Usually we were allowed to return when we could act right again. ETA: This is a P&R. It's lunchtime.
Posted by mkrupar[/QUOTE]

We've had to ask to be moved in pricey restaurants when the kid at the next table is screaming, etc and the parents won't deal with it.

Mr. Moose is not quiet or subtle about it either.

MyUserName1 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : We've had to ask to be moved in pricey restaurants when the kid at the next table is screaming, etc and the parents won't deal with it. Mr. Moose is not quiet or subtle about it either.
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

My grandpa used to proclaim loudly "Shut that kid up!"

It was awesome.

LDYGTR13 · June 2012

I was a latchkey kid - my kid will be a latchkey kid. You gotta take care of yourself sometimes!

wadingmoose · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : Yup. Heck, I've left right after dinner at my ILs because BB was getting "too rowdy" and trying to touch things that she shouldn't be touching. "Too rowdy" of course, is perspective.
Posted by Mrs.B6302007[/QUOTE]

My SIL left her family's Christmas celebration because her brother (a new father) told her her kids were uncontrollable and she shouldn't be feeding them sugar and his child would NEVER behave like that.

My niece and nephews are pretty freakin' well behaved and I don't even LIKE kids. Sure, they're sometimes a little rowdy, but that'll happen. Sure, they fight, but there are three of them - kids fight. I felt so bad for her because she's always apologizing for the kids behaviour and they're really not that bad.

MrsL2014 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : NCLB actually, is the worst thing for certain special ed students.They are being held to the same standards as regular ed students. This is ok for students with mild learning disabilities, but it also holds students with severe disabilities to the same standard. Last year I was a relief proctor for the 11th grade Social Studies Regents. I went into the special ed room that had the life skills students.(These are students who have very low abilities, need a job coach, close to, or below the MR cutoff.) I assumed they were taking a different exam... Nope they were taking the Regents exam. They are required to sit for it. I am pretty sure that in a few years they will be required to pass it. A few of the kids were crying because they didn't understand and were sooo frustrated. Their teachers said"Just write something down, it doesn't matter what you write." Who the fuuck does that to kids? These are kids who need to learn how to grocery shop and take the bus without getting lost. And their teachers will be considered ineffective if they do not pass the tests...
Posted by junieolive[/QUOTE]

Ugh, sad. I have always hated how some teachers run the special ed rooms. When I was in 3rd grade they placed me in special ed because they said I had anger issues. Even my case manager who knew why I was in there treated me like I was stupid. Caused major issues for me.

There were lots of special education teachers who treated everyone who was in special ed like they were stupid, when that wasn't the case for a lot of people. I even had one of the teachers tell me and the classroom one time after a student said he wanted to go to a university that he could not get in there and neither could the rest of us because we are not smart enough for that and the best we could do was tech school.

The school systems are all messed up!

StefffiC · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : Haha, that's exactly what my H thinks! Yeah, I'm a little weird at times, but isn't everyone? Homeschooling can be all-around better, especially right now with all of the cuts being made in education. I student taught in classrooms with nearly 30 students, and observed classrooms with more than that. Nothing beats the one on one attention you can get in a smaller setting, and right now, home is the only place where you'll get that. Good luck! Hopefully you can at least do some work at home with your kids, even if they attend public school. :)
Posted by abbitha7[/QUOTE]

I hope he comes around.

Sometimes I want to whack him over the head and point out that he's the one that graduated at 19, after being held back, with a low GPA. I graduated at 16 with a 3.9 and had scholarship offers out the wazoo. I'm in insurance, licensed, with upper level professional designations, working for the VP of a large company. He's working a dead end job.

Yep, homeschooling sucks. (eyeroll)

Not bashing either one, but some works for some people and some doesn't. It's an individual thing.

wadingmoose · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : My grandpa used to proclaim loudly "Shut that kid up!" It was awesome.
Posted by MyUserName1[/QUOTE]

On urbanSpoon, there's a review for a restaurant we go to all the time. It's from a mother. She rated the restaurant poorly because an old guy at the next table told her to shut her kid up. And that is what she based her entire review on.

Oh, and the statement that the restaurant will never make their food less spicy because of their customer base - old people...

StefffiC · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : My grandpa used to proclaim loudly "Shut that kid up!" It was awesome.
Posted by MyUserName1[/QUOTE]

I like your granddad.

I've said things to parents in nicer places and never thought a thing about it.

dumdumfroggie · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : On urbanSpoon, there's a review for a restaurant we go to all the time. It's from a mother. She rated the restaurant poorly because an old guy at the next table told her to shut her kid up. And that is what she based her entire review on. Oh, and the statement that the restaurant will never make their food less spicy because of their customer base - old people...
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

<div>I weep for humanity at times.</div><div>
</div><div>And the second part doesn't even make sense... Doesn't food that is catered to the elderly tend to be less spicy? Sigh.</div>

wadingmoose · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : I hope he comes around. Sometimes I want to whack him over the head and point out that he's the one that graduated at 19, after being held back, with a low GPA. I graduated at 16 with a 3.9 and had scholarship offers out the wazoo. I'm in insurance, licensed, with upper level professional designations, working for the VP of a large company. He's working a dead end job. Yep, homeschooling sucks. (eyeroll) Not bashing either one, but some works for some people and some doesn't. It's an individual thing.
Posted by StefffiC[/QUOTE]

It is absolutely an individual thing. But for every homeschooled kid that's successful, there's a kid who went through public school who is also successful. For every failure on each side, there's likely an equal failure.

Either way, I think that parental involvement in education is a HUGE indicator of success for the student. Moreso than where they get their education.

I went to public school, received many scholarships and graduated with honors when I got my degree. But my Mom was HUGELY involved in my schooling. If something started to go sideways for either my brother or I, she knew and dealt with it ASAP.

wadingmoose · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : I weep for humanity at times. And the second part doesn't even make sense... Doesn't food that is catered to the elderly tend to be less spicy? Sigh.
Posted by dumdumfroggie[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

LDYGTR13 · June 2012

I'm nodding with you, Moose. Active parents = Better students.

HockeyFan4 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. Another part of school that pissed me off was when most of my classes would be language, math, or science classes so I worked hard for my GPA, but other students took what they needed to graduate and the rest of the classes were art so they had an easy time getting a good GPA so they would be in the top percent of the class and I wasnt. But im sure if you looked at our state testing my scores are better!
Posted by MrsL2014[/QUOTE]

Ok I am taking a deep breath so I don't go off the deep end...but this is horsepoop! If you don't know what is involved in an art class, you have no right to dismiss it. My students work just as hard, if not harder. Have just as much work, if not more. The amount of time they have to spend outside of school in addition to inside exceeds what is expected in other classes...not to mention having to spend time after school setting up art exhibits.

junieolive · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : Ugh, sad.<strong> I have always hated how some teachers run the special ed rooms.</strong> When I was in 3rd grade they placed me in special ed because they said I had anger issues. Even my case manager who knew why I was in there treated me like I was stupid. Caused major issues for me. There were lots of special education teachers who treated everyone who was in special ed like they were stupid, when that wasn't the case for a lot of people. I even had one of the teachers tell me and the classroom one time after a student said he wanted to go to a university that he could not get in there and neither could the rest of us because we are not smart enough for that and the best we could do was tech school. The school systems are all messed up!
Posted by MrsL2014[/QUOTE]
TBH it wasn't the special ed teachers who were the problem. They are great, but the kids in this particular room are working with IQ's that are way below average. These are kids who will probably have to live in assisted living places when they get older, or will have to be monitored carefully because it will be difficult for them to take care of themselves. I am not saying this to be a diick but it is what it is. The government's enforcement of laws such as NCLB and Race to the Top make it necessary for these students to take and pass exams that they will never, even with the best, most supportive teachers and families, be able to pass. This is the problem, not everyone will or can go to college... Who cares? Everyone has different abilities and disabilities. We have actually lost sight of this in the government's quest to make everyone a PhD candidate.

abbitha7 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]And their teachers will be considered ineffective if they do not pass the tests...
Posted by junieolive[/QUOTE]

This, 100 times this. NCLB is one of the worst things to happen to education. Yeah, let's take away a school's funding when they don't test well. That will make them get better. Pssh. More likely that they'll start overinflating their grades or do even worse because they'll lose valuable resources...

[Deleted User] · June 2012

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[QUOTE] In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : Ok I am taking a deep breath so I don't go off the deep end...but this is horsepoop! If you don't know what is involved in an art class, you have no right to dismiss it. My students work just as hard, if not harder. Have just as much work, if not more. The amount of time they have to spend outside of school in addition to inside exceeds what is expected in other classes...not to mention having to spend time after school setting up art exhibits.
Posted by HockeyFan4[/QUOTE]

Seriously. I had 3 back-to-back art classes my senior year and I worked harder in those than I did my other classes because of the portfolio demands. And then the final show at the end of the year.

abbitha7 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : I hope he comes around. Sometimes I want to whack him over the head and point out that he's the one that graduated at 19, after being held back, with a low GPA. I graduated at 16 with a 3.9 and had scholarship offers out the wazoo. I'm in insurance, licensed, with upper level professional designations, working for the VP of a large company. He's working a dead end job. Yep, homeschooling sucks. (eyeroll) Not bashing either one, but some works for some people and some doesn't. It's an individual thing.
Posted by StefffiC[/QUOTE]

Yes, totally. I'm the exact same way. I graduated third in my class, 3.9 GPA, took high school courses in middle school, etc. and although he's very smart, he never got the 1-1 attention, leaving him much less motivated to do well. Homeschooling made al the difference. And yes, it's definitely an individual thing. I know some homeschoolers who were horrible students, and public school kids who were on par with me. It's hard to say if we would have achieved as much as we have if we had gone to public school, or if our husbands would have just slid by had they been homeschooled.

StefffiC · June 2012

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[QUOTE]I'm nodding with you, Moose. Active parents = Better students.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

Yes, I think it is an individual thing. And, if we had decent schools I wouldn't care so much that my children went to public schools.

My husband's parents were not active in their lives and didn't support them. My parents were over active in my life.

junieolive · June 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : This, 100 times this. NCLB is one of the worst things to happen to education. Yeah, let's take away a school's funding when they don't test well. That will make them get better. Pssh. More likely that they'll start overinflating their grades or do even worse because they'll lose valuable resources...
Posted by abbitha7[/QUOTE]
I agree ... I know some amazing teachers, and I am pretty okay myself, but since NCLB came around I have seen teachers teach to the test more frequently, I am not going to lie and say that I do not do the same thing, and teach less content. This is for a lot of reasons. We also see students enter high school with poor skills on a much more serious level. We can no longer have Honors classes because then other students will feel bad. SO no one gets served. The advanced students are bored the average students get minimal attention and the struggling students get help, but are lost and frustrated.

MrsL2014 · June 2012

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[QUOTE] In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : Ok I am taking a deep breath so I don't go off the deep end...but this is horsepoop! If you don't know what is involved in an art class, you have no right to dismiss it. My students work just as hard, if not harder. Have just as much work, if not more. The amount of time they have to spend outside of school in addition to inside exceeds what is expected in other classes...not to mention having to spend time after school setting up art exhibits.
Posted by HockeyFan4[/QUOTE]

im not saying that art is bad, trust me, I did take a few art classes and I know how much work it takes, but we have some teachers in the art department who really dont care and just give A's. Also, the cooking class, I loved the cooking class but there were a lot of students who just took it for an Easy A and food.

So sorry, did not mean to offend.

Bec20 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]I'm nodding with you, Moose. Active parents = Better students.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]

<div>This is definitely true. Unfortunately, some parents seem to think being involved means you should talk to teachers after grades are given and complain that your precious angel is too special to get whatever bad/average grade they got. Much less effort than paying attention to if your children are doing their homework and projects.</div>

HockeyFan4 · June 2012

There are poor teachers in every subject who will just give an A. That doesn't mean that the entire field is not rigorous nor demanding. We have an amazing culinary program at our school. The students cook, serve, and essentially run a restuarant....no easy A's there either.

Want to bash another subject?

junieolive · June 2012

JCB I agree!!! My FI and I were discussing this last night. There are winners and losers in things in life. You shouldn't berate the losers but don't ignore the winners. If I was bad at something and lost, I just went out and found something I was good at. Kids do not know how to do this anymore.

starrynight84 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]I found out this weekend that I am extremely happy that we're not going to be living in this school system when we have kids. These schools don't give zeros anymore. Not even for high school kids. If you are absent for an assignment/test/project, it can't count against you. You could skip school for every test given and it can't count against you. Also, teachers aren't allowed to give less than a 50% on anything. "Students need to be given the opportunity to bring up their grades, and they can't do that if they are given anything less than a 50%." They are also one of the school districts that does the "No red pens allowed for teachers" thing. This is just...crazy. How does this teach kids responsibility? How does this teach kids to work for things? I know there are some teachers here, I'd love to hear what you think. It's got to piss you off too...right?
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>I'm still catching up on the thread, but yes, I disagree with all of this. Children need to be given the grades that they earned and deserved. However, I also advocate for giving children opportunities to fix their mistakes. So if a student doesn't do well on a test, I am more than happy to give them extra credit work. But again, it's difficult work and they have to work hard and EARN the extra credit.

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starrynight84 · June 2012

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[QUOTE]Ugh. This drives me nuts. I am happy to use a purple pen for corrections, but you get the grade you earn, and if you earn a zero, that is the grade that's going in my book. I always tell my students that I have no power over their grade. I am just the one who puts a number on it, they are the ones that do the work. Bad work? Bad grade. Not my fault.
Posted by Liatris2010[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>I could not agree more!!</div>

Bec20 · June 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_this-makes-me-ragey?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:7590b6f1-292b-49fd-8e29-225f187755ecPost:fff52a44-84ba-4699-8f97-12ccd4d7ec2b">Re: This makes me ragey.</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : JFC. Along those lines, they need to start keeping goddamn score at little league games and kids need to learn to win and lose for christ's sake. Not everyone is going to be the star pitcher or whatever. My nephew just won the 6th grade chess championship but they didn't give out prizes b/c they didn't want to hurt anyone's feeling. So.fuuucking.stupid.
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]

<div>Here they don't keep score for Timbits hockey/soccer games for 3-4 year olds, but start around 5 or 6. Even so, I've seen participation trophies for people who lose every single game in a competition. I was an extremely unathletic child, but this bothered me becuase it carried over to academics. Thanks to the everybody should get a chance to win mentality, I lost out on an academic award because the teacher thought somebody had a harder home life and therefore "needed" the win more than I did.</div><div>
</div><div>I had to explain to a 7-year-old that if he quit a game just because he was letting in too many goals in his 1-on-1 soccer game that he would lose the game. It took until I gave him an example using that night's hockey game and turned to his opponent and said, "Good job OtherBoy, you win!" that he changed his mind and decided to keep playing.</div><div>
</div><div>There's too many kids who don't know how to lose so they are both terrible losers and terrible winners.</div>

dumdumfroggie · June 2012

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_this-makes-me-ragey?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:7590b6f1-292b-49fd-8e29-225f187755ecPost:fff52a44-84ba-4699-8f97-12ccd4d7ec2b">Re: This makes me ragey.</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me ragey. : JFC. Along those lines, they need to start keeping goddamn score at little league games and kids need to learn to win and lose for christ's sake. Not everyone is going to be the star pitcher or whatever. My nephew just won the 6th grade chess championship but they didn't give out prizes b/c they didn't want to hurt anyone's feeling. So.fuuucking.stupid.
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]

<div>Agreed! There's actually an "Everybody Loves Raymond" episode where the grandpa keeps track of the little league games, just because someone ought to.</div>

starrynight84 · June 2012

I think that all of the coddling of students really just sends the message that they are too incompetent to do the work. People think it's "nice" to not take off points for late assignments, grade in different colored ink, make sure no student receives lower than a fifty percent even if they earned a zero, etc. But really, the message it sends to children is unkind: "We don't really believe you can succeed on your own."

Children recognize and meet low expectations accordingly.

This makes me ragey.

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