Opinions

avsfan33 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Okay, just asking. I've only seen someone flip out once and he found out a few days later that the guy he bought off of laced the bag.
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

I've also seen people flip out from it being laced but it was from a different dealer so I do know it's usually the case lol.

I don't turn into a nasty person when I drink. I do know people who do that and having been a bartender, I've taken a lot of crap from people who turn nasty. But in my case, I end up incredibly happy and then incredibly sleepy. I also don't drink when I'm in a bad mood or when I'm upset about something so that may be why.

You know what's gross? People who huff hairspray.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Well when you do see it ruin someone's life, then you'll see the other side. I understand the medical uses of marijuana very well. I also know that it is used as a last ditch effort to control the pain of someone who is dying. I know it is beneficial to those who can no longer take conventional painkillers, but if marijuana is to be used medically, it stands to reason that the sort of self medication that involves smoking a joint is not exactly healthy either. (ETA in the same way that someone may self medicate with unnecessary vicodin or opiates, legal or otherwise)
Posted by rhonwynv[/QUOTE]

I get what you're saying, but I don't think smoking a joint for fun is quite the same as opiates. Opiates are far more physically addictive and cause more physical issues while abusing as far as I know. I had a roommate with a serious opiate problem. The girl was so backed up she looked pregnant. Yikes.

Maybe you're right. Maybe if I actually saw it ruin somoene's life I would feel differently. But I'm also not basing this on a few people I have known who smoke. I have known and do know a lot of smokers and even a pretty decent number of what I would call pot heads. Sure, the pot heads weren't the most productive people, but they also weren't searching for harder drugs or hurting anyone.

Bkseller13 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]90% of cocaine users used marijuana before trying cocaine And more than 95% of heroin users are said to have used pot first. Sure that doesnt mean that all pot smoker will go on to other drugs, but it does suggest that those who do go on to other drugs did in fact start with pot. i dont think those statistics should be dismissed.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Perhaps they shouldn't be dismissed, but they shouldn't be held up as gospel either. Many times it doesn't START with pot; it starts with alcohol or tobacco, then progresses to pot, then onward and upward. Or it may not go beyond pot at all. I'd be curious to know how many of the 90% and 95% started with alcohol/tobacco before pot.

<a href="http://scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug/">http://scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug/</a>

It's pretty simple to find information on the interwebz to "prove" any point. I think there's a bit of a grain of truth in all of it, but I don't think that any one answer is 100% correct.

allisong23 · April 2011

I think many people start with pot because it is cheap and easy to get. By the same token, many people who become alcoholics start with Natty Light, Bud and Coors Light because it is cheap and easy to get and move on to more expensive and harder stuff. I don't think we should ban cheap beer though. Well, maybe I do because a lot of it is pure swill and i am a beer snob.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]Sweded- you seem to be doing an awful lot of justifying in defense of pot. You dont have to discredit peoples bad experiences with it (i.e. saying it was laced with stuff) just because you have a different stance on it.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I was only asking, Blue. I have been around a lot of smokers and very rarely seen any kind of aggression.

I'm just trying to give the perspective of someone who has never had a problem with the stuff.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]90% of cocaine users used marijuana before trying cocaine And more than 95% of heroin users are said to have used pot first. Sure that doesnt mean that all pot smoker will go on to other drugs, but it does suggest that those who do go on to other drugs did in fact start with pot. i dont think those statistics should be dismissed.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

All I'm saying is that just because someone tries pot first, that doesn't mean pot is the reason they did coke or heroin. As somoene mentioned: pot is usually the easiest to get and the safest to try first.

Celles · April 2011

I think one of the biggest flaws of the whole "gateway drug" theory is that it assumes causation from correlation. I think marijuana should be evaluated and legalized (or not) on its own merit -- not because someone who uses it recreationally may also use "harder" drugs.

cupcakesfrosting · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I'm more interested in how many pot smokers stop at pot. (Although I don't think there's an accurate way to measure this.) Or how the statistics Blue listed would change if pot didn't exist.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

I'm one! Haha.

But again, I'm not sure if it's because I just didn't (I never had the desire to do X in English class like some of my classmates) or if it's because of my parents.

SarahPLiz · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I think one of the biggest flaws of the whole "gateway drug" theory is that it assumes causation from correlation. I think marijuana should be evaluated and legalized (or not) on its own merit -- not because someone who uses it recreationally may also use "harder" drugs.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
I agree. People don't do coke and heroin because they did pot. They do it because they don't know how to be happy and deal with reality in a mentally healthy manner, whether that be because of nature or nurture.

cupcakesfrosting · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I think one of the biggest flaws of the whole "gateway drug" theory is that it assumes causation from correlation. I think marijuana should be evaluated and legalized (or not) on its own merit -- not because someone who uses it recreationally may also use "harder" drugs.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Absolutely.

LessThanZero · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I agree. People don't do coke and heroin because they did pot. They do it because they don't know how to be happy and deal with reality in a mentally healthy manner, whether that be because of nature or nurture.
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Yes, this. The marijuana is not the cause, it's already the effect. If that makes sense?

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : It's Ontario law. You have to recognize any sign of impairment and count how many drinks each customer drank and prevent them from leaving the establishment drunk. Seriously, Ontario sucks for working in a bar or owning one.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

That's interresting because we have a similar certification (TIPS) and were told not to assume because somoen eweighs more they can handle more alcohol.

Celles · April 2011

That makes perfect sense, LTZ.

I believe that marijuana should be decriminalized, but I was still fairly disgusted with a billboard I saw not too long after Arizona voted to legalize it for medicinal purposes. Apparently, there was some sort of "pot fair" going on downtown with doctors on site to evaluate all comers for potential marijuana prescriptions. Subtle.

avsfan33 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That's interresting because we have a similar certification (TIPS) and were told not to assume because somoen eweighs more they can handle more alcohol.
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

We're told it's better to be safe than sorry. Someone who is bigger can usually handle more than 2 drinks in an hour but someone who weighs 100 pounds can probably barely handle one in an hour. Obviously, we don't know how often these people drink but we're told not to take that into consideration. On average, a person can only handle 2 drinks in an hour before signs of drunkenness start to show. There's also only allowed to be 3 drinks on the table per person. If a person has trouble picking up their change (we aren't supposed to hand it to them), they are supposed to be cut off. It could have nothing to do with alcohol but it's a sign of drunkenness.

They seriously aren't kidding with the laws here. A bar in the city I go to school in lost their license for 3 months because a guy who had been at the bar some point in the night drowned in a river. The river was nowhere near the bar and nobody knows what he did after the bar, but because he was at the bar, it was the bars fault.

Ontario blows. My bar got in trouble because a girl tripped on a sidewalk outside the bar and cut her head open. She tripped because the sidewalk is uneven and she stepped in the sewer grate thing, lost her flip flop which caused her to trip. But the bar was fined because she had been there 2 hours before and it happened outside their bar..even though she tripped on something owned by the town and was actually two doors down from the bar. I just happened to be working that night and had to deal with the cops.

ETA: I don't mean we assume people's weight and say "okay he's 300 pounds, he can drink X many drinks." we have to watch starting the second they walk in because of pre-drinking. It's just on average they can handle more alcohol because of their weight according to the BAL.

K&J64 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I didn't compare it to slavery, you said that. I agreed it wasn't. It is buying and selling a person as in their body, I did not mean that you literally got to keep the person. Perhaps we have different wording for things but it is referred to women selling their bodies when they are prostitutes. (at least were I am from) Yes, millions of things objectify women and I think it's a sad comment on society. Just because it's widespread doesn't mean it's right. I actually thing society is off mark on a number of things on that topic.
Posted by blush64[/QUOTE]

You continue to ignore the fact that male prostitutes exist, and that all paid sex does not occur between heterosexuals. I don't see this as a question of right and wrong. It is exists, pretending it doesn't is pointless. Making it safer for those involved is the only thing that can be done to improve it.

And what other things is society off mark on? This is an opinions thread.

cupcakesfrosting · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That's interresting because we have a similar certification (TIPS) and were told not to assume because somoen eweighs more they can handle more alcohol.
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

Of course not. You don't say "Oh, well this guy weights 400lbs, so he's good for the rest of the night!". But weight is fairly good starting off point, and then you go from there depending on how they act.

maratea · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions :A bar in the city I go to school in lost their license for 3 months because a guy who had been at the bar some point in the night drowned in a river. The river was nowhere near the bar and nobody knows what he did after the bar, but because he was at the bar, it was the bars fault.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]
This is just fucking ridiculous. I can't understand how it's the bar's fault once the guy left the bar's property. As if they can send him home with a sitter or something? I get not over-serving people, but if someone wants to get drunk, they are going to do it, bar or no bar. Sounds like the authorities/media needed someone to blame.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I know a lot of addicts from all different areas of my life. Some co-workers, some family, some friends. Some use drugs socially (not that I agree with it but they dont have a "problem" per se) and some are full blown addicts. They all had different life experiences and all ended up in the same place. I think you may be right that we run with "different types of people". You are 22 and I am in my 30's. My friends do not go out partying, they have families etc. So I guess we are at different places in our lives. But my friends that were smoking pot every day of their lives in their 20's are big fcking losers now in their 30's with no significant job or relationships and are still smoking pot everyday of their lives, and most in their moms basement.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Oh, I was saying I'm NOT my 22-year-old self anymore. I'm 27. We're not big partiers either, but some of my friends do still smoke pot and have good jobs. Granted, I don't have many friends anymore that smoke daily. Those that do will take a few puffs when they sit down in front of TV for the night, not stay high all day. I will agree that it's damn near impossible to be productive if you're high all the time, but (because I just can't resist) I can say the same about being drunk all the time.

I make the comparison between pot and alcohol because IMO, alcohol is just as, if not more damaging than pot. BOTH can be used responsibly and BOTH can be abused. I'm not saying it should be decriminalized because it's cool for everyone to walk around high all the time. I'm saying that I don't agree with all the government money going towards locking up and prosecuting people who get caught with a little bit for recreational use (which is why I was so happy to see the laws Mass passed in the last few years). I feel it is "safe" enough for the government to legalize, regulate and tax it. Decriminalizing it isn't going to make everyone start smoking just like it being illegal doesn't make people stop.

Why should gangs and drug dealers be making money off of it when the government could?

Granted, I would NOT say the same for coke, heroin, meth, etc. You have to draw the line somewhere.

OBX2011 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I think one of the biggest flaws of the whole "gateway drug" theory is that it assumes causation from correlation. I think marijuana should be evaluated and legalized (or not) on its own merit -- not because someone who uses it recreationally may also use "harder" drugs.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Nicely said and agreed

cupcakesfrosting · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : This is just fucking ridiculous. I can't understand how it's the bar's fault once the guy left the bar's property. As if they can send him home with a sitter or something? I get not over-serving people, but if someone wants to get drunk, they are going to do it, bar or no bar. Sounds like the authorities/media needed someone to blame.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

It's the same reasoning why if someone chooses to drive home after drinking at a bar, and then gets into an accident, it's the bars fault.

We had a guy get into an accident and almost kill someone, and then say he was at our bar. I didn't recognize him and I had worked the door all night. We went through our cameras, and it turned out he had never been there. He had been turned away from the door by my CW for being too intoxicated when I had to run inside for a minute, and was pissed off at us. So, he said he was there, when he wasn't. We almost got fined for it.

TheCranberry · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I think one of the biggest flaws of the whole "gateway drug" theory is that it assumes causation from correlation. I think marijuana should be evaluated and legalized (or not) on its own merit -- not because someone who uses it recreationally may also use "harder" drugs.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Exactly. This is the point I was trying to make by comparing those figures to coke/heroine users who started with alcohol.

avsfan33 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : This is just fucking ridiculous. I can't understand how it's the bar's fault once the guy left the bar's property. As if they can send him home with a sitter or something? I get not over-serving people, but if someone wants to get drunk, they are going to do it, bar or no bar. Sounds like the authorities/media needed someone to blame.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

It seriously pisses me off. I'm paid to serve alcohol and food, not babysit. At 18, you're an adult (19 to drink here). I'm not paid to follow every customer home, make sure they don't die in their sleep and make it to work on time. I got into a huge fight with the inspector the weekend after the girl tripped outside the bar I worked at. He told me she was "so drunk she couldn't stand." Yeah because she took a bunch of pills and went to a house party! How the hell is it my fault she's a complete moron? She left the bar sober, I did my job. After that, it's none of my business. I swear it's only Ontario that's this ridiculous.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I've also seen people flip out from it being laced but it was from a different dealer so I do know it's usually the case lol. I don't turn into a nasty person when I drink. I do know people who do that and having been a bartender, I've taken a lot of crap from people who turn nasty. But in my case, I end up incredibly happy and then incredibly sleepy. I also don't drink when I'm in a bad mood or when I'm upset about something so that may be why. You know what's gross? People who huff hairspray.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

For me it depends on what/how much I drink and what mindset I was in before I started. If I'm sad, I'll be a weepy drunk. If I'm in a good mood, I'm fun drunk. :)

OMG, YESSSS. The girl huffer that was in intervention was from the next town over from me. I was watching the show thinking: "Holy sh*t!! That's MY Wal-Mart!! That chick was on the same roads I drive every day?! Hey! I know those cops dragging her out of her apartment!" I totally shook me.

avsfan33 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : It's the same reasoning why if someone chooses to drive home after drinking at a bar, and then gets into an accident, it's the bars fault. We had a guy get into an accident and almost kill someone, and then say he was at our bar. I didn't recognize him and I had worked the door all night. We went through our cameras, and it turned out he had never been there. He had been turned away from the door by my CW for being too intoxicated when I had to run inside for a minute, and was pissed off at us. So, he said he was there, when he wasn't. We almost got fined for it.
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

Before I started working at the bar this couple got drunk and wanted to leave. The owner offered them a ride, they said no. He called them a cab and said it'd be there in five minutes. It's a REALLY small town, she was dropping someone else off and coming straight there. He turned his back to talk to someone else and the couple got in their vehicle and sped off. My soon to be boss chased them and tried to get them to stop. On the highway to the reserve, the guy DRIVING decided to roll a joint. They swerved off the road and hit a pole and died. But it's the bars fault.

Wrkn925 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I think it's supposed to be a benchmark, not a mathematical law. Just something to go by.
Posted by rhonwynv[/QUOTE]

That's what we were taught when I took my certification class.

And the bar is legally responsible because they should have offered to call the person a cab home.

It is not realistic or reasonable for a bar to babysit every patron. Honestly, it scared the crap out of me when I was bartending. We had a corporate rule that limited the number of drinks someone could have before we had to get a manager to approve them ordering more. Some employees hated going through the trouble, I liked covering my ass.

Sweded · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I think many people start with pot because it is cheap and easy to get. By the same token, many people who become alcoholics start with Natty Light, Bud and Coors Light because it is cheap and easy to get and move on to more expensive and harder stuff. I don't think we should ban cheap beer though. Well, maybe I do because a lot of it is pure swill and i am a beer snob. :)
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

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maratea · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_opinions-6?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:f726adca-42c1-4c91-86dd-53a5a2a089a5Post:3665cea1-d636-4672-a402-80d3d40c7740">Re: Opinions</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : It seriously pisses me off. I'm paid to serve alcohol and food, not babysit. At 18, you're an adult (19 to drink here). I'm not paid to follow every customer home, make sure they don't die in their sleep and make it to work on time. I got into a huge fight with the inspector the weekend after the girl tripped outside the bar I worked at. He told me she was "so drunk she couldn't stand." Yeah because she took a bunch of pills and went to a house party! How the hell is it my fault she's a complete moron? She left the bar sober, I did my job. After that, it's none of my business. I swear it's only Ontario that's this ridiculous.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]
As long as there are advantageous stupid people out there, ridiculousness will live the world over.

Blueyed228 · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_opinions-6?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:f726adca-42c1-4c91-86dd-53a5a2a089a5Post:df054125-1c86-4be6-8a88-3def8d90600b">Re: Opinions</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm more interested in how many pot smokers stop at pot. (Although I don't think there's an accurate way to measure this.) Or how the statistics Blue listed would change if pot didn't exist.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]

I would be really interested to see this too. I think it could go either way.

The point im trying to make is that I dont think we should make drugs legal for recreational use. I dont see how you can claim that 1 type of drug is ok to use, but another one isnt. And i would be angry if all of a sudden pot became legal and readily available for everyone to use.

ETA: I also recognzie that it may or may not be an UO and not everyone is going to agree with me.

avsfan33 · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_opinions-6?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:f726adca-42c1-4c91-86dd-53a5a2a089a5Post:7e8d631e-2e2a-4d7c-8c46-6949f515710c">Re: Opinions</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : For me it depends on what/how much I drink and what mindset I was in before I started. If I'm sad, I'll be a weepy drunk. If I'm in a good mood, I'm fun drunk. :) OMG, YESSSS. The girl huffer that was in intervention was from the next town over from me. I was watching the show thinking: "Holy sh*t!! That's MY Wal-Mart!! That chick was on the same roads I drive every day?! Hey! I know those cops dragging her out of her apartment!" I totally shook me.
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

I was working at a grocery store once, I was about 17? This woman came in, bought hairspray and other random things so I didn't think anything of it. She goes outside and started to huff it! She came back later and tried to steal vaseline. I caught her and told her to empty her pockets and to leave. Apparently that made me racist. She also tried to buy more hairspray and I wouldn't sell it to her.

Sweded · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_opinions-6?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:f726adca-42c1-4c91-86dd-53a5a2a089a5Post:20f7bc93-2cbc-4c3a-90a6-637d02eb4e4f">Re: Opinions</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : We're told it's better to be safe than sorry. Someone who is bigger can usually handle more than 2 drinks in an hour but someone who weighs 100 pounds can probably barely handle one in an hour. Obviously, we don't know how often these people drink but we're told not to take that into consideration. On average, a person can only handle 2 drinks in an hour before signs of drunkenness start to show. There's also only allowed to be 3 drinks on the table per person. If a person has trouble picking up their change (we aren't supposed to hand it to them), they are supposed to be cut off. It could have nothing to do with alcohol but it's a sign of drunkenness. They seriously aren't kidding with the laws here. A bar in the city I go to school in lost their license for 3 months because a guy who had been at the bar some point in the night drowned in a river. The river was nowhere near the bar and nobody knows what he did after the bar, but because he was at the bar, it was the bars fault. Ontario blows. My bar got in trouble because a girl tripped on a sidewalk outside the bar and cut her head open. She tripped because the sidewalk is uneven and she stepped in the sewer grate thing, lost her flip flop which caused her to trip. But the bar was fined because she had been there 2 hours before and it happened outside their bar..even though she tripped on something owned by the town and was actually two doors down from the bar. I just happened to be working that night and had to deal with the cops. ETA: I don't mean we assume people's weight and say "okay he's 300 pounds, he can drink X many drinks." we have to watch starting the second they walk in because of pre-drinking. It's just on average they can handle more alcohol because of their weight according to the BAL.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]

As far as I know, there are similar laws here. They may not be as harsh, but if you leave a bar and get a DUI (or worse, get in an accident and hurt/kill someone) the bar can be brought up on charges.

The tripping thing is absurd. I've tripped and cut myself dead sober.

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