In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:04f42050-65a0-4f40-8671-b660dd3c25aa">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]I don't think Celles statement warranted an eye roll at all. Those are the undeniable facts. I like you Aprove. I disagree with breeding your dogs, and we can agree to disagree on that. Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I like you too Jasmine. They may be the facts but this wasn't a controversy thread or anything like that. The eye roll was more to the statement of "no matter how cute they are.....blah blah blah." I find the killing of animals sad but I also think breeding healthy, fit, dogs to a specific breed standard is important and not something to be scoffed at. Breeders who are passionate about what they do find it insulting considering all of the in-depth work we put into care, genetics research, medical ideas, etc. etc. and we find it condescending.
It sounds like you're better than most then, aprovencher. You hit all the points on my "responsible breeder" checklist.
I still can't support breeding programs in general. The euthanasia statistics speak for themselves. And most people who think adoption isn't for them don't realize how many options they have. After all, not every rescue dog is a flea-infested stray with an unknown history! Papered puppies are turned over to shelters and rescues -- and returned to breeders and breed clubs -- all. the. time.
And Celles finds it irresonsible to breed when there are homeless pets (Sorry to put words in your mouth Celles, but that's what I got). I know you didn't mean it to be controversial, but you put it out there. I've never mentioned it to you, because it never was appropriate with the conversation. But, this post is about the dogs you breed, so it goes the way of all of the posts today. :P
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:f1367f31-4b41-4a53-b9f8-095913df4f37">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]It sounds like you're better than most then, aprovencher. You hit all the points on my "responsible breeder" checklist. I still can't support breeding programs in general. The euthanasia statistics speak for themselves. And most people who think adoption isn't for them don't realize how many options they have. After all, not every rescue dog is a flea-infested stray with an unknown history! Papered puppies are turned over to shelters and rescues -- and returned to breeders and breed clubs -- all. the. time. Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
I know all of this. This is why I have a list of breed specific rescues for people who cannot afford one of my puppies to try. Also, most breeders like me do coupons and twofers. If you're looking for two puppies I give a 25% discount if you adopt the second puppy from the breed specific rescue.
I've had awesome shelter dogs and I've had a few that should never have been up for adoption. I've loved them all but because of this I know adoption isn't for everyone.
I do agree that the AKC papers are only worth as much as the knowledge of the breeder. I HATE that the AKC works on an honesty system.
I love the name Pongo. Ever since 101 Dalamations I've wanted to name an animal Pongo just never got the chance. Have you ever had long-haired doxies? They are my favorite. When I worked at the vet there was one named Momo and I wanted to steal him for myself.
One of H's customers has 8 dogs, 2 beagles and 6 labs (1 in every color and then some), and I love going to his house. He is trying to breed blue/silver labs (I can't remember the right name) in between getting new dogs so there is always at least 1 puppy in the bunch.
And before anyone says anything, the guy is crazy rich and has a huge house and yard, so he is able to care for them. And they are always clean. I don't know how he does it.
Also, I got my pure bred, akc registered Australian Shepherd from a rescue. She was spayed and her tail was docked- both expensive procedures, so purebreds are out there.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:8ea1c3a9-294c-468b-9f6a-27779d5ce5d8">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]I love the name Pongo. Ever since 101 Dalamations I've wanted to name an animal Pongo just never got the chance. Have you ever had long-haired doxies? They are my favorite. When I worked at the vet there was one named Momo and I wanted to steal him for myself. One of H's customers has 8 dogs, 2 beagles and 6 labs (1 in every color and then some), and I love going to his house. He is trying to breed blue/silver labs (I can't remember the right name) in between getting new dogs so there is always at least 1 puppy in the bunch. And before anyone says anything, the guy is crazy rich and has a huge house and yard, so he is able to care for them. And they are always clean. I don't know how he does it. Posted by Seshat411[/QUOTE]
I breed both long and smooth haired (not wire haired). Actually Shenanigans is a long haired choc/tan. Is he breeding for Isabellas?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:657c90c4-8224-447f-9557-17c04ad00a0f">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Babies Are Growing Up.... : I breed both long and smooth haired (not wire haired). Actually Shenanigans is a long haired choc/tan. <strong>Is he breeding for Isabellas</strong>? Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what this means. All I know is that he has 2 silver labs (blue?) and is breeding them.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:9a13c8ad-81a9-4e02-bb66-58d684bbe4cf">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]And Celles finds it irresonsible to breed when there are homeless pets (Sorry to put words in your mouth Celles, but that's what I got). I know you didn't mean it to be controversial, but you put it out there. I've never mentioned it to you, because it never was appropriate with the conversation. But, this post is about the dogs you breed, so it goes the way of all of the posts today. :P Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I've spent too much time doing rescue not to say it when I see it. (I also call the police when I see people selling puppies on the side of the road or in front of grocery stores; it's illegal to sell without a permit here.)
Pound runs ruined me for non-rescue dogs. See, that's when a rescue visits the pound before public hours to evaluate all of the dogs and cats that are scheduled to be euthanized that day. Sometimes we only have room for one or two in our program, and there are HUNDREDS on the e-list.
So, I understand, intellectually, everything that aprovencher is saying and I applaud her for being one of the truly responsible breeders -- but after far too many pound runs, it's hard to admit that "responsible breeder" isn't <em>actually</em> an oxy-moron. My knee-jerk reaction is to condemn, because the biggest thing working against animal rescue in this country is ignorance. I think everyone here understands the issue because it comes up so often, but there are a lot of people who don't realize that every shelter isn't, well, puppies and rainbows.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:7adc6f6c-f70c-4b64-8617-3d1175dbd256">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]If I could afford 8 dogs, I would totally have 8 dogs. That just may make me the crazy dog lady. Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I have three in the house. 4 rescues in the kennel and 19 breeding dogs. I am the crazy dog lady. Though the dogs are all loved by my large extended family.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:7adc6f6c-f70c-4b64-8617-3d1175dbd256">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]If I could afford 8 dogs, I would totally have 8 dogs. That just may make me the crazy dog lady. Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I have four dogs, two cats, and one highly allergic fiancée who loves me too much to make me give them up. Because of his allergies, though, I'm done fostering and will likely only have one pet at a time when these eventually pass on.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:d2d82c5c-d65b-4243-9498-98197ea0d581">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]Wow, Aprove. Are all 19 in the house or in another building? If doxies bark near as much as papillons, your house must be loud! Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
We have a building attached to the house built specifically to dachshund proportions! My dogs are never in crates (unless delivering or somehow needing medical attention). They have large stalls with long outdoor runs. The doggie doors are built for dachshunds (protective for backs). They have heating, AC and a shallow exercise pool. I'm an addict.
I really want to start fostering for the group I got all of my girls from, but I am scared I won't be able to give them up. How do you not get attached?
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:a7311139-e90b-4612-9d53-dc0658216385">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]I really want to start fostering for the group I got all of my girls from, but I am scared I won't be able to give them up. How do you not get attached? Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I cry a lot. I do get attached but I'm very selective when it comes to new homes for my babies. As in there is paperwork, interviews, reference checks, etc. People I pick are awesome and I stay in touch. People send me Xmas cards, easter cards, invite me to their beach houses to visit the pup and 85% of clients come back for at least one more puppy.
I've fostered here and there. Personally I find that harder because I feel like shelter dogs need so much more extra love. I stopped fostering after the 3rd dog because it was just too hard. I adopted the 3 I had.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_babies-growing-up?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:17Discussion:d9d5253a-243c-4c52-8047-ae8664926fbePost:350e9f1b-3197-4889-9285-982508fdad76">Re: Babies Are Growing Up....</a>: [QUOTE]OMG I just realized you are wiener girl! :P I like your wieners! Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]
Celles, has your FI tried allergy shots or any of those things? I'm allergic to dogs and really allergic to cats, but I've built up a tolerance from being around them 24/7.
Re: Babies Are Growing Up....
I like you Aprove. I disagree with breeding your dogs, and we can agree to disagree on that.
[QUOTE]I don't think Celles statement warranted an eye roll at all. Those are the undeniable facts. I like you Aprove. I disagree with breeding your dogs, and we can agree to disagree on that.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I like you too Jasmine. They may be the facts but this wasn't a controversy thread or anything like that. The eye roll was more to the statement of "no matter how cute they are.....blah blah blah." I find the killing of animals sad but I also think breeding healthy, fit, dogs to a specific breed standard is important and not something to be scoffed at. Breeders who are passionate about what they do find it insulting considering all of the in-depth work we put into care, genetics research, medical ideas, etc. etc. and we find it condescending.
I still can't support breeding programs in general. The euthanasia statistics speak for themselves. And most people who think adoption isn't for them don't realize how many options they have. After all, not every rescue dog is a flea-infested stray with an unknown history! Papered puppies are turned over to shelters and rescues -- and returned to breeders and breed clubs -- all. the. time.
I know you didn't mean it to be controversial, but you put it out there. I've never mentioned it to you, because it never was appropriate with the conversation. But, this post is about the dogs you breed, so it goes the way of all of the posts today. :P
[QUOTE]It sounds like you're better than most then, aprovencher. You hit all the points on my "responsible breeder" checklist. I still can't support breeding programs in general. The euthanasia statistics speak for themselves. And most people who think adoption isn't for them don't realize how many options they have. After all, not every rescue dog is a flea-infested stray with an unknown history! Papered puppies are turned over to shelters and rescues -- and returned to breeders and breed clubs -- all. the. time.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
I know all of this. This is why I have a list of breed specific rescues for people who cannot afford one of my puppies to try. Also, most breeders like me do coupons and twofers. If you're looking for two puppies I give a 25% discount if you adopt the second puppy from the breed specific rescue.
I've had awesome shelter dogs and I've had a few that should never have been up for adoption. I've loved them all but because of this I know adoption isn't for everyone.
I do agree that the AKC papers are only worth as much as the knowledge of the breeder. I HATE that the AKC works on an honesty system.
One of H's customers has 8 dogs, 2 beagles and 6 labs (1 in every color and then some), and I love going to his house. He is trying to breed blue/silver labs (I can't remember the right name) in between getting new dogs so there is always at least 1 puppy in the bunch.
And before anyone says anything, the guy is crazy rich and has a huge house and yard, so he is able to care for them. And they are always clean. I don't know how he does it.
[QUOTE]I love the name Pongo. Ever since 101 Dalamations I've wanted to name an animal Pongo just never got the chance. Have you ever had long-haired doxies? They are my favorite. When I worked at the vet there was one named Momo and I wanted to steal him for myself. One of H's customers has 8 dogs, 2 beagles and 6 labs (1 in every color and then some), and I love going to his house. He is trying to breed blue/silver labs (I can't remember the right name) in between getting new dogs so there is always at least 1 puppy in the bunch. And before anyone says anything, the guy is crazy rich and has a huge house and yard, so he is able to care for them. And they are always clean. I don't know how he does it.
Posted by Seshat411[/QUOTE]
I breed both long and smooth haired (not wire haired). Actually Shenanigans is a long haired choc/tan. Is he breeding for Isabellas?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Babies Are Growing Up.... : I breed both long and smooth haired (not wire haired). Actually Shenanigans is a long haired choc/tan. <strong>Is he breeding for Isabellas</strong>?
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]
I have no idea what this means. All I know is that he has 2 silver labs (blue?) and is breeding them.
[QUOTE]And Celles finds it irresonsible to breed when there are homeless pets (Sorry to put words in your mouth Celles, but that's what I got). I know you didn't mean it to be controversial, but you put it out there. I've never mentioned it to you, because it never was appropriate with the conversation. But, this post is about the dogs you breed, so it goes the way of all of the posts today. :P
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I've spent too much time doing rescue not to say it when I see it. (I also call the police when I see people selling puppies on the side of the road or in front of grocery stores; it's illegal to sell without a permit here.)
Pound runs ruined me for non-rescue dogs. See, that's when a rescue visits the pound before public hours to evaluate all of the dogs and cats that are scheduled to be euthanized that day. Sometimes we only have room for one or two in our program, and there are HUNDREDS on the e-list.
So, I understand, intellectually, everything that aprovencher is saying and I applaud her for being one of the truly responsible breeders -- but after far too many pound runs, it's hard to admit that "responsible breeder" isn't <em>actually</em> an oxy-moron. My knee-jerk reaction is to condemn, because the biggest thing working against animal rescue in this country is ignorance. I think everyone here understands the issue because it comes up so often, but there are a lot of people who don't realize that every shelter isn't, well, puppies and rainbows.
[QUOTE]If I could afford 8 dogs, I would totally have 8 dogs. That just may make me the crazy dog lady.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I have three in the house. 4 rescues in the kennel and 19 breeding dogs. I am the crazy dog lady. Though the dogs are all loved by my large extended family.
If doxies bark near as much as papillons, your house must be loud!
[QUOTE]If I could afford 8 dogs, I would totally have 8 dogs. That just may make me the crazy dog lady.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I have four dogs, two cats, and one highly allergic fiancée who loves me too much to make me give them up. Because of his allergies, though, I'm done fostering and will likely only have one pet at a time when these eventually pass on.
This thread is full of cute!
[QUOTE]Wow, Aprove. Are all 19 in the house or in another building? If doxies bark near as much as papillons, your house must be loud!
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
We have a building attached to the house built specifically to dachshund proportions! My dogs are never in crates (unless delivering or somehow needing medical attention). They have large stalls with long outdoor runs. The doggie doors are built for dachshunds (protective for backs). They have heating, AC and a shallow exercise pool. I'm an addict.
And you bribe your adopters to send you pictures! (If they happen to send of the living room after the puppy ate the couch, even better.)
[QUOTE]I really want to start fostering for the group I got all of my girls from, but I am scared I won't be able to give them up. How do you not get attached?
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I cry a lot. I do get attached but I'm very selective when it comes to new homes for my babies. As in there is paperwork, interviews, reference checks, etc. People I pick are awesome and I stay in touch. People send me Xmas cards, easter cards, invite me to their beach houses to visit the pup and 85% of clients come back for at least one more puppy.
I've fostered here and there. Personally I find that harder because I feel like shelter dogs need so much more extra love. I stopped fostering after the 3rd dog because it was just too hard. I adopted the 3 I had.
[QUOTE]OMG I just realized you are wiener girl! :P I like your wieners!
Posted by ricksang[/QUOTE]
Ricks!! How did you not know....lol
Celles, has your FI tried allergy shots or any of those things? I'm allergic to dogs and really allergic to cats, but I've built up a tolerance from being around them 24/7.
I'd say you are hot too but I am giving you the cold shoulder until you show me your wedding pictures
House / Baby blog
Ricks, I AWed them a while ago, but I don't think they are up on the photogs site anymore.