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Re: Dear Congress...

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : See that's what I don't get!  The same people that want to get rid of abortion (which ain't gon' happen, yo) are the same ones who are against welfare and helping out poor single mothers (I'm obviously generalizing here). So...you want to take away their birth control, make them have unwanted babies, and give them no help? Yeah, because that makes perfect sense. I think if you protest PP, you should have to take one of those babies that you saved.
    Posted by cengle[/QUOTE]

    I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
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    [QUOTE]I'm very pro-choice and anti-abortion, if that makes any sense. Like, I could never have an abortion myself, but what I believe for ME I don't think should have any effect on what someone else decides for THEM.
    Posted by mandapanda78[/QUOTE]
    I couldn't have an abortion either. People should be allowed to make their own decisions and not have opinions forced on them.
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  • edited April 2011
    Is your goal to start arguments?

    ETA: this is talking to Midget, by the way
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  • mica178mica178 member
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    edited April 2011
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    [QUOTE]More than anything it's important to recognize how important the services are that PP provides. It's so above and beyond abortions.
    Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

    I know.  I spent a month working in their clinics, and the bulk of what they do is STD screening and birth control for lower income women.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    <div>Question: do you eat eggs? Because those could potentially at some point have heartbeats. Edit: I'm going to take a guess this doesn't matter because they're not human.</div><div>
    </div><div>Also, how do you propose providing welfare to people who "actually attempt" to have safe sex. Do you have to show a broken condom to pick up your check?</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    Oversimplification just like this is what makes these wedge issues so divisive.

    Again the federal government's budget and the possible furlough of 800,000 workers is what this should be about. Not bickering about an issue decided by the supreme court 30+ years ago.
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  • Just to play devil's advocate though, I think there is a difference between saying PP provides important services and saying they deserve federal funding.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    Because this is an issue that is going to be solved on an internet message board.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. <strong>And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.</strong>
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]
    This is going to open a whole new can of worms.
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  • edited April 2011
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    [QUOTE]Is your goal to start arguments? ETA: this is talking to Midget, by the way
    Posted by hlq2011[/QUOTE]

    No, I honestly don't. This is just something that I get really fired up about. I'm prolife (sorry, but it's not changing) because I just don't understand how abortion is not murder and murder is against the law so why isn't abortion.

    And just so everyone knows, I'm not dodging questions when I stop posting here in just a few minutes. I'm leaving to help my fiance.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    Are you kidding me? Have you ever even looked at the numbers in terms of spending on what PP costs? The portion that pays (as in government-funded) for abortions only pays for something like 17 a year.  Good lord.

    As for whether abortion is morally objectionable or not, that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. But would you seriously support a law banning abortion for all women in the US? Because, like Anna (I think?) just said, many people who are pro-choice have a moral objection to abortions FOR THEMSELVES but they would never deny the right to choose to another person.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : No, I honestly don't. This is just something that I get really fired up about. I'm prolife (sorry, but it's not changing) because I just don't understand how abortion is not murder and murder is against the law so why isn't abortion.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    I think you have some faulty logic going on here.  I'll let you figure out where it is.
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  • Whatever TR! We'll solve ALL the problems! Right here, right now.

    And whether or not YOU think it's murder is irrelevant. Abortion will never completely be illegal, even if Roe v. Wade were overturned, which is unlikely. It would become a state-by-state issue, because making it illegal countrywide is unconstitutional. The Constitution doesn't give Congress that power.

    *steps off soapbox*


  • mica178mica178 member
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    [QUOTE]Just to play devil's advocate though, I think there is a difference between saying PP provides important services and saying they deserve federal funding.
    Posted by annakb8[/QUOTE]

    You're right. 

    When the Republicans say they want to stop federal funding for PP/abortion, is that just cutting off Medicaid reimbursement for abortion (which it already doesn't pay for), or are there specific funds given each year to PP?  I thought PP charged Medicaid for services rendered. 

    I wouldn't say that I'm government-funded even though the bulk of my patients have Medicare and Medicaid.  My paycheck comes from my organization.  It sounds like this is all semantics.
  • BTW, I didn't mention the PP funding to start an argument on abortion morality, I just wanted to address what the hold up is. 
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  • Because it comes down to a philosophical debate about when something is alive enough for an abortion to be considered murder. It's not as cut and dried an issue for everyone else as it is for you. I don't think aborting a 2 month old fetus is murder. You do. Neither of our minds are going to change. I will pose this question though: why is what someone else does with their unborn child any of your concern? I don't understand how the end of a pregnancy that's not yours affects your life so deeply. So deeply that you feel a need to impose your morals by legislation on an entire sex.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : I am against abortion...because well, it's murder and I am not against welfare for people who actually attempt to have safe sex (which I know is not 100% baby-proof). Planned Parenthood should be able to give out condoms and birth control for those who cannot afford it but funding murder is something I will never agree with. And someone please explain to me how aborting something that you know is going to have a heartbeat is not murder.
    Posted by midgetthemighty[/QUOTE]

    <div>It is not murder if it doesn't have a heartbeat.  Eggs could turn into chickens, so they cold have a heartbeat.  Is it immoral to eat an egg because it COULD have a heartbeat?  I know that's a total stretch, but to me so is the argument that abortion is murder. </div><div>
    </div><div>I agree with Manda 100%  I am completely pro-choice because I believe every woman has the right to choose.  Personally myself I am against abortion because I could never do it, but I would never push my ideals on another person.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : Question: <strong>do you eat eggs?</strong> Because those could potentially at some point have heartbeats. Edit: I'm going to take a guess this doesn't matter because they're not human. Also, how do you propose providing welfare to people who "actually attempt" to have safe sex. Do you have to show a broken condom to pick up your check?
    Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

    Yes. From what I understand, hens lay eggs every day that are unfertilized and that is what we eat. One of my old customers raised chickens, and this is what he told me. So if it's not correct, I'm sorry.
  • And everything that LC said.
  • Eye-to-eye Opal.  That was my first though too, but I got a work call before I could post it. 
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  • Mica, I think there is separate money appropriated for PP since Medicare and Medicaid aren't included in the normal appropriations bills (since they have no budget). And the federal money technically doesn't go towards abortions at all, but the argument is that it frees up other money in PP's budget that can then be put towards abortions. To me it just sounds like semantics, and certainly not something worth closing down over.
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    [QUOTE]Mica, I think there is separate money appropriated for PP since Medicare and Medicaid aren't included in the normal appropriations bills (since they have no budget). And the federal money technically doesn't go towards abortions at all, but the argument is that it frees up other money in PP's budget that can then be put towards abortions. To me it just sounds like semantics, and certainly not something worth closing down over.
    Posted by annakb8[/QUOTE]

    By that argument, the government is funding just about everything, then, huh?
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    [QUOTE]Because it comes down to a philosophical debate about when something is alive enough for an abortion to be considered murder. It's not as cut and dried an issue for everyone else as it is for you. I don't think aborting a 2 month old fetus is murder. You do. Neither of our minds are going to change. I will pose this question though: why is what someone else does with their unborn child any of your concern? I don't understand how the end of a pregnancy that's not yours affects your life so deeply. So deeply that you feel a need to impose your morals by legislation on an entire sex.
    Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

    <div>Ditto all of this.  </div><div>
    </div><div>I am completely against using aboriton as a method of birth control because you don't want to take the pill or don't like condoms.  However, if someone decides to have an abortion because they aren't mature enough or financially in a position to raise a baby, or even pay for the pregnancy, then I respect them for making the tough decision for themselves, instead of joining the lines of welfare recipients.  </div>
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  • [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : Are you kidding me? Have you ever even looked at the numbers in terms of spending on what PP costs? The portion that pays (as in government-funded) for abortions only pays for something like 17 a year.  Good lord. As for whether abortion is morally objectionable or not, that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. But would you seriously support a law banning abortion for all women in the US? Because, like Anna (I think?) just said, many people who are pro-choice have a moral objection to abortions FOR THEMSELVES but they would never deny the right to choose to another person.
    Posted by Bubbalub[/QUOTE]
    I agree completely.
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  • Okay, Anna, so now what I'm hearing is that the Republicans are saying something redundant (the US govt already doesn't pay for abortion), and they Democrats are refusing to sign based on something that shouldn't change much of anything.

    Great.

    I'm glad that we're shutting down the government over words that don't change anything practically speaking.  Sweet.
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    [QUOTE]Because it comes down to a philosophical debate about when something is alive enough for an abortion to be considered murder. It's not as cut and dried an issue for everyone else as it is for you. I don't think aborting a 2 month old fetus is murder. You do. Neither of our minds are going to change. I will pose this question though: why is what someone else does with their unborn child any of your concern? I don't understand how the end of a pregnancy that's not yours affects your life so deeply. So deeply that you feel a need to impose your morals by legislation on an entire sex.
    Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]
    I whole heartedly agree with this.
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  • I don't know about you guys, but I like to kill babies.
  • You guys should turn on CSPAN right now. It's proving enlightening.
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  • My friend just had her baby, a little girl.  I guess we should eat her since her parents are Democrats.  Isn't that what the current fight in Washington says?

    Yay for my friend's baby!  Boo for posturing politicians!
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