Anyone not doing NFP?

Calypso1977 · April 2011

yes, i didnt even think about cost.

NFP is free. i paid like $20 for a copy of TCOYF and i think $10 for my basal thermometer. i print blank charts from my computer from the TCOYF website. i never have to worry abotu the pharmacy being open, or if a refill comes due on a day that i'm away on vacation, and i'm not contrubuting additional waste to landfills. its completely portable - i never have to worry abotu forgetting to pack pills or supplies.

bibliophile2010 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]yes, i didnt even think about cost. NFP is free. i paid like $20 for a copy of TCOYF and i think $10 for my basal thermometer. i print blank charts from my computer from the TCOYF website. i never have to worry abotu the pharmacy being open, or if a refill comes due on a day that i'm away on vacation, and i'm not contrubuting additional waste to landfills. its completely portable - i never have to worry abotu forgetting to pack pills or supplies.
Posted by Calypso1977[/QUOTE]

I know lots of the ladies on here have self-taught using TCOYF, and I agree that it is a very good book. That said, I would still recommend taking a class, which is a bit more of a start-up fee. Even with that, NFP is still far less expensive over time and has the other benefits Calypso mentioned. We got a brochure that broke down costs of family planning methods over 20 years or something and the cost for NFP was by far the cheapest.

sweetxpea03 · April 2011

I'm not talking about the rythm method, I am talking about NFP and I know exactly how it works. It is unreliable, because even when going by temperatures, cervical mucus, and so on, it's not as reliable as actual birth control. Stress or other events can easily make a woman ovulate sooner or later than expected, even when carefully following NFP practices. If a woman has sex and ovulates 3 days later, she can still get pregnant, since sperm can live up to around 5 days inside of the woman. Condoms, when used correctly, are 97% effective according to the WHO. I can't use hormonal treatments of any kind for medical reasons, but will use condoms and have no problem doing so. It's great that NFP has worked for others, but it is not something I want to do for myself as I would rather use another method I trust.

agapecarrie · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I'm not talking about the rythm method, I am talking about NFP and I know exactly how it works. It is unreliable, because even when going by temperatures, cervical mucus, and so on, it's not as reliable as actual birth control. Stress or other events can easily make a woman ovulate sooner or later than expected, even when carefully following NFP practices. If a woman has sex and ovulates 3 days later, she can still get pregnant, since sperm can live up to around 5 days inside of the woman. Condoms, when used correctly, are 97% effective according to the WHO. I can't use hormonal treatments of any kind for medical reasons, but will use condoms and have no problem doing so. It's great that NFP has worked for others, but it is not something I want to do for myself as I would rather use another method I trust.
Posted by sweetxpea03[/QUOTE]

But see, when one ovulates, they show the symptoms of ovulation...no matter when it happens. And NFP teaches to abstain through the several days after ovulation. THat's built into the methods.

Again, the facts on condoms being effective are way off. It is getting credit for preventing pregnancy when a pregnancy couldnt' have happened 75% of the time anyway.

sweetxpea03 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone not doing NFP? : But see, when one ovulates, they show the symptoms of ovulation...no matter when it happens. And NFP teaches to abstain through the several days after ovulation. THat's built into the methods. Again, the facts on condoms being effective are way off. It is getting credit for preventing pregnancy when a pregnancy couldnt' have happened 75% of the time anyway.
Posted by agapecarrie[/QUOTE]

Sperm can survive in certain conditions inside a woman for around up to 5 days. So with NFP, a woman would not know she is about to ovulate in a few days since she has not had the temp dip or change in cervical mucus, but can still get pregnant because the sperm can survive for a while. That makes this method not very reliable, which is why I would never rely on this method alone.

catarntina · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone not doing NFP? : Sperm can survive in certain conditions inside a woman for around up to 5 day<strong>s. So with NFP, a woman would not know she is about to ovulate in a few days since she has not had the temp dip or change in cervical mucus, but can still get pregnant because the sperm can survive for a while.</strong> That makes this method not very reliable, which is why I would never rely on this method alone.
Posted by sweetxpea03[/QUOTE]

I don't understand this, at all. You show signs of ovulation 6 to 7 days before you actually ovulate. Your cervical fluid starts showing around 6 days before ovulation, and so do changes in your cervix position. You abstain as soon as you see fluid. I dont understand what you mean you won't know because you haven't seen a change in cervical fluid. Cervical fluid starts about 6 days before, and progessively changes until you ovulate. And. If there isn't any cervical fluid, sperm can only live for a few hours. So your statement makes absolutely no sense.

Not every woman gets a temp dip, so that is a moot point since it holds no bearing. You shouldn't be looking for a temp dip. You should be looking for a change in cervical fluid, which every woman gets before ovulation.

agapecarrie · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Anyone not doing NFP? : Sperm can survive in certain conditions inside a woman for around up to 5 days. So with NFP, a woman would not know she is about to ovulate in a few days since she has not had the temp dip or change in cervical mucus, but can still get pregnant because the sperm can survive for a while. That makes this method not very reliable, which is why I would never rely on this method alone.
Posted by sweetxpea03[/QUOTE]

Nope, the conditions that sperm can survive in is when there is mucous present. The 5 days is at very most, at the best conditions.(with channels for swimming) If a woman is pre-ovulation, and there is no mucous, the sperm can't survive. In fact, it as a different kind of "mucous" that has blockers so the sperm can't swim. This is basic NFP stuff.

As I said before, all of the "accidents" babies in cases I've studied as well as people I know are when the couple decides to ignore the rules for avoiding, or had user error. I know plenty of children that have been conceived using abc.

Riss91 · April 2011

sweetpea - NFP allows for this. If you read TCOYF, you'll note there is an extensive section discussing sperm survival and how to account for it. We abstain for at least 7 days prior to ovulation - this is based on my earliest ovulation day in the past 18 months. So, if my earliest ovulation day is day 13, we abstain from Day 6 onward. That gives us extra room should I happen to ovulate a day sooner.

If you are checking your CM, you will know when you are entering the fertile phase - and you will know this a few days before you ovulate. So, even if I don't have "fertile CM", I will know that as soon as I move from very infertile CM to a slightly more fertile CM, we should abstain because I am approaching ovulation.

You can also choose to abstain from Day 1 of your period until you ovulate if you were really worried.

Bottom line is that it is reliable if you follow it correctly and you should always use the "when in doubt, abstain" rule.

Calypso1977 · April 2011

sweet pea, you have some things right but so many other things you are saying are so factually incorrect and pure ignorance.

i actually think youd get alot out of TCOYF because it is taught from a purely scientific standpoint. there is not one ounce of religion in that book. i'm a pretty devout catholic, but i very much appreciate the pure science of that book and this method.

i have been charting for 2 full years now, to avoid. There has only been one time i thought i might be pregnant and that was when we KNOWINGLY had sex when i might have been fertile. We totally took a chance and had sex when it was not adviseable to do so. Otherwise, i have never had one single scare.

MopsieB · May 2011

We're DEFINITELY not doing NFP and even got our pastor to allow us to skip that part of pre cana. Honestly, it seems like a lot of work. I've never been on the Pill, though. I worry about the effects of those hormones. Condoms have always worked for me. We're open to kids but not planning on them. I really don't believe that God is against responsible family planning, despite the Church's teaching on the subject.

Calypso1977 · May 2011

I really don't believe that God is against responsible family planning, despite the Church's teaching on the subject.

no, he isnt against responsible family planning. but he is against artificial means for which to plan your family.

NFP is super easy. again, its impossible for you to judge the level of ease unless youve actually tried it. if you are not keen on hormones this would be a great method for you.

mica178 · May 2011

Mopsie, I was able to get into the habit of taking my temperature every morning within a few days, and NFP is now just part of my daily routine, just like brushing my teeth or reading the bible. It's less than a minute out of my day. Switching to NFP was such a great choice for H and me, and honestly, I feel 100% confident in its efficacy.

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