Unpopular Opinions

Matty143 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Isn;'t that already an option? Or does the mom have to okay it first?
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

I imagine the mom would have to agree, which is why I agree with DMill.

adamar15 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I think if the US is going to remain pro-choice the laws need to be changed so that men have the same option. If women can decide that they aren't ready or able to care for a child and wants an abortion, men who feel they aren't ready for parenting should be able to sign away their rights and be released of all financial responsibility, no questions asked.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

I agree with this if the mom is ok with it. With abortion, both parties can walk away. If there's no abortion then at least one person is stuck with a child. I don't think it would be fair for either party to just be able to say "Sorry, I can't handle this. Peace out." without consequences. They both got themselves into the mess, both people need to agree on a course of action to handle it.

LP11509 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]Holy crap, LP. I would have refused to do that. Did he ever get reprimanded for any of that?
Posted by Seshat411[/QUOTE]

<div>Unfortunately, no. I was too insecure/scared to report him to anyone. By the time I grew a backbone and thought about doing it, years had gone by, I was living in a different state, and I wasn't even sure if he still worked at that school. Not doing anything about it is one of the biggest regrets I have in my life.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: This teacher also made students write "#1" or "#2" on the board before they left the room to use the bathroom. </div>

specialk84 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : and in Ohio, men lose their drivers license if they get behind.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

<div>IIRC, that recently changed. Someone finally realized it's hard for men to pay for their kids if they can't get to work.</div><div>
</div><div>But about your other point, I agree.</div><div>
</div><div>And I think Steph is right. At least, that's what we learned in my bioethics class last year. However, if paternity is not established within two years, it's very hard for anyone to be held responsible. It also makes it impossible to collect as an heir.</div>

dmiller9274 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I agree with this if the mom is ok with it. With abortion, both parties can walk away. If there's no abortion then at least one person is stuck with a child. I don't think it would be fair for either party to just be able to say "Sorry, I can't handle this. Peace out." without consequences. They both got themselves into the mess, both people need to agree on a course of action to handle it.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]
But if the mom wants an abortion, it's a done deal. It doesn't matter if the man wants the child or not, she has the right to choose for both of them. A man can't force a woman to have an abortion so if she gets a choice, I absolutely think the man should get the same choice.

amys325 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But if the mom wants an abortion, it's a done deal. It doesn't matter if the man wants the child or not, she has the right to choose for both of them. A man can't force a woman to have an abortion so if she gets a choice, I absolutely think the man should get the same choice.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

I agree with this 100%.

NicoleSahara · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I agree that no one should be personally told by strangers or loved ones to change their looks either way. I do not however understand how anyone could be offended by an overall mantra of "love your curves." Particularly when the majority of depictions of socially accepted beauty tell you to love being thin. How does it hurt you to see acceptance of the other side of the coin?
Posted by celticmyss[/QUOTE]

In case I was misunderstood, the overall mantra does not offend me. It just often goes hand in hand with skinny people bashing, which is annoying.

Megbo2012 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Unfortunately, no. I was too insecure/scared to report him to anyone. By the time I grew a backbone and thought about doing it, years had gone by, I was living in a different state, and I wasn't even sure if he still worked at that school. Not doing anything about it is one of the biggest regrets I have in my life. <strong>ETA: This teacher also made students write "#1" or "#2" on the board before they left the room to use the bathroom. </strong>
Posted by LP11509[/QUOTE]

<div>WTF?! Would he allow one minute for #1, and perhaps 3 for #2? </div>

specialk84 · February 2012

I just had this image of signing a contract before banging, like some colleges are requiring. Check a little box that says "I do not want a child that may result from this sexual encounter," and the mom would then have the option of saying, "No way am I going to raise a child on my own. I think I'll put my underpants back on."

It's a stupid idea, but that's just where my mind went.

chelseamb11 · February 2012

LP Your teacher sounds awful. So very awful. It's teachers like that that shouldn't be teaching.

kd.joseph · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Not that I know of.
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Our mall has one. I've never had the pleasure to go in there, but my boss said it's really nice, soothing he said.

When my DH's daughter was here, we went to lunch, the boys at the end of the table freaked out and left when she had to breast feed. And I mean <strong>had</strong> too. She didnt pump yet because it would cause nipple confusion and the baby was really having a hard time of it.

It's not like you can reason with a 2 month old and explain that they'll eat when there is no one around. I dont have a problem with discreet BFing. Babies have to eat. Its the ones that go out of their way to MAKE you uncomfortable then wonder why you have an issue.

NicoleSahara · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I just had this image of signing a contract before banging, like some colleges are requiring. Check a little box that says "I do not want a child that may result from this sexual encounter," and the mom would then have the option of saying, "No way am I going to raise a child on my own. I think I'll put my underpants back on." It's a stupid idea, but that's just where my mind went.
Posted by specialk84[/QUOTE]

This made me laugh :)

SarahPLiz · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Lets say you and I go out to dinner with the baby there. Would you prefer that I sit and nurse discretely with you, while we continue our meal and conversation, or that I leave you alone for a half hour so I can nurse (which means my meal is ruined, and you eat alone)?
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

<div>I nursed at the table with Les and BK and didn't ask them or anyone around us if it was ok. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it. </div>

adamar15 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But if the mom wants an abortion, it's a done deal. It doesn't matter if the man wants the child or not, she has the right to choose for both of them. A man can't force a woman to have an abortion so if she gets a choice, I absolutely think the man should get the same choice.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

But it took both of them to make that baby. I just don't think one person should be able to walk away without consequences. I feel they should come to an agreement as adults, not just split.

SarahPLiz · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Isn;'t that already an option? Or does the mom have to okay it first?
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]
You can sign away your rights when ever you want, but not the responsibility. You can still be sued for Child Support, I think.

chelseamb11 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But it took both of them to make that baby. I just don't think one person should be able to walk away without consequences. I feel they should come to an agreement as adults, not just split.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]

so then if a woman wants an abortin and the man wants the baby, she should be forced to keep it and then hand it over when it's born?

SarahPLiz · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I just had this image of signing a contract before banging, like some colleges are requiring. Check a little box that says "I do not want a child that may result from this sexual encounter," and the mom would then have the option of saying, "No way am I going to raise a child on my own. I think I'll put my underpants back on." It's a stupid idea, but that's just where my mind went.
Posted by specialk84[/QUOTE]
Could you imagine the stack of contracts they'd have to keep track of in the Jersey Shore house? They'd need a separate filing cabinet in the smoosh room.

dmiller9274 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But it took both of them to make that baby. I just don't think one person should be able to walk away without consequences. I feel they should come to an agreement as adults, not just split.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it took both of them to make that baby. A woman shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion without the consent of the man? So the woman should be forced to have the baby if the man wants it?

Megbo2012 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I just had this image of signing a contract before banging, like some colleges are requiring. Check a little box that says "I do not want a child that may result from this sexual encounter," and the mom would then have the option of saying, "No way am I going to raise a child on my own. I think I'll put my underpants back on." It's a stupid idea, but that's just where my mind went.
Posted by specialk84[/QUOTE]

<div>This reminds me of Angela and Dwight from the Office. </div><div>
</div><div>This would solve everyone's BF problem as well, since the baby must be fed Schrute beets only.</div>

kd.joseph · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I think that is absolute crap. Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-life and I find abortion to be wrong regardless. But if this country is going to give the woman a choice, the man should get one too. That's BS otherwise because it's not just the woman's choice to have sex. In most cases, it takes two to tango.
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

Well as someone who was left when she was 5 months pregnant and chose to raise her child, you bet he was paying child support. Dont even get me started!

brilibby4 · February 2012

Oh I also didn't mean that I am bothered by people who love their curves. I just don't like being constantly told that I am unhealthy because I am the size that I am. I don't think its right to point out how skinny I am or complain about people who are size 2, anymore than it is okay to point out how fat someone else is or complain about people who are size 10. In my experience,society tends to have no problem telling me I am too skinny as a joke ("Eat some cake!" Or "Ugh you are a size two? I hate you"), but if I called someone fat or told them to lose weight, I would be a bitch. This doesn't make sense to me. I generally don't think anyone should be commenting on anyone else's body no matter what their size is.

dmiller9274 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I just had this image of signing a contract before banging, like some colleges are requiring. Check a little box that says "I do not want a child that may result from this sexual encounter," and the mom would then have the option of saying, "No way am I going to raise a child on my own. I think I'll put my underpants back on." It's a stupid idea, but that's just where my mind went.
Posted by specialk84[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a stupid idea at all. In fact, I wish more people had the common sense to do it!

SarahPLiz · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : so then if a woman wants an abortin and the man wants the baby, she should be forced to keep it and then hand it over when it's born?
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]
But you think abortion is wrong in all cases, right? So if a mom doesn't want a baby she should be forced to carry it to term and hand it over to adoptive parents? I don't see how this is so different.

amys325 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But it took both of them to make that baby. I just don't think one person should be able to walk away without consequences. I feel they should come to an agreement as adults, not just split.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]

I get what you are saying, but men don't get the say all the time when a woman decides to have an abortion. What if the man wanted to the baby. Oh well, he's sh!t out of luck cause the woman decided.

I do think there needs to be an agreement made, but I think a man should be able to walk away.

SarahPLiz · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I don't think it's a stupid idea at all. In fact, I wish more people had the common sense to do it!
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]
Yet it surprises me how many people don't even have that conversation before marriage. Maybe it should be a check box on the marriage license application too.

chelseamb11 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : But you think abortion is wrong in all cases, right? So if a mom doesn't want a baby she should be forced to carry it to term and hand it over to adoptive parents? I don't see how this is so different.
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

I know it's not different. She was just making the point that the man shouldn't be allowed to run away from it if the mom wants it because they need to make the choice together. So based on her argument, then a woman shouldn't be able to get an abortion if the father wants the baby to stay alive.

adamar15 · February 2012

I'm not talking about abortions at all. I'm talking about when the child is born, one person should not be able to walk away just because they don't want to deal with the situation. If a man wants a woman to have an abortion, but the woman decides to do it on her own, then no I don't think the man should be held responsible. But if it comes down to the wire and one person decides all of a sudden that they don't want any responsibility, I think that's crap.

adamar15 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I know it's not different. <strong>She was just making the point that the man shouldn't be allowed to run away from it if the mom wants it because they need to make the choice together. So based on her argument, then a woman shouldn't be able to get an abortion if the father wants the baby to stay alive.
</strong>Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]

I don't think they're the same thing, which is why I'm arguing about it. They're not apples to apples in my mind.

chelseamb11 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]I'm not talking about abortions at all. I'm talking about when the child is born, one person should not be able to walk away just because they don't want to deal with the situation. If a man wants a woman to have an abortion, but the woman decides to do it on her own, then no I don't think the man should be held responsible. But if it comes down to the wire and one person decides all of a sudden that they don't want any responsibility, I think that's crap.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]

Okay that makes sense.

LP11509 · February 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : WTF?! Would he allow one minute for #1, and perhaps 3 for #2?
Posted by Megbo2012[/QUOTE]

<div>I have no idea why he did it. Probably just to embarrass us. He was good at that. He was just a fucking douchebag. </div>

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