Dear Congress...

mandapanda78 · April 2011

I'm actually going to step up on the soapbox vacated by cengle and give my two cents that go along with her two cents. Even if abortion were made totally illegal, it would never go away. Back alley abortions leading to the deaths of desperate women would be on the rise. And for the wealthy who can afford it, they'd just go to another country where it is legal and get it done there. If you are truly anti-abortion, you're far better off concentrating your efforts on providing alternatives to people. Safe, free, effective birth control and improving the foster/adoption system in this country would be a good place to start.

cengle · April 2011

Babies make the best meat, because they're tender, like veal.

mica178 · April 2011

I think we should follow Jonathan Swift's advice for poverty and overpopulation.

cengle · April 2011

Exactly Manda. Exactly.

In a perfect world, where people were educated and had birth control options and whatnot, abortion would be very rare, or even possibly unnecessary. We obviously don't live in that perfect world.

Let's take care of the children who are already here, and are abused and starving and neglected, first, mkay?

hlq2011 · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_dear-congress?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9824befc-7d7c-461d-bf0c-795d4f310979Post:ccf90fa0-bf81-4367-8f67-0184f037eeb9">Re: Dear Congress...</a>:
[QUOTE]I think we should follow Jonathan Swift's advice for poverty and overpopulation.
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

Mica, I think I love you.

laurenclaire1386 · April 2011

Yes Manda, that's an excellent point. How about instead of rallying against abortion, the anti abortion camp focuses their energy on preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place?

mica178 · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_dear-congress?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9824befc-7d7c-461d-bf0c-795d4f310979Post:836e76d7-51bf-4210-97d7-29fbb09c39b3">Re: Dear Congress...</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Dear Congress... : Mica, I think I love you.
Posted by hlq2011[/QUOTE]

Yay!

aragx6 · April 2011

Since abortions were legalized under Roe v Wade abortions have been on a steady decline.

NuggetBrain · April 2011

I know if I was a woman who had been raped, I'd be absolutely thrilled to be called a murderer for choosing not to have my rape baby. I should totally have the baby and put it into the overcrowded, understaffed excuse for a foster care system we have.

Birdie1483 · April 2011

How do you know when a baby is a dead baby?

The dog plays with it more.

laurenclaire1386 · April 2011

Dead baby jokes! My day is complete!

mandapanda78 · April 2011

I drive past a clinic that does abortions on my way home every day and there are always protestors. I wondered if I would feel differently about it once I got pregnant. Nope. Still am all for every woman's right to choose.

hlq2011 · April 2011

It's interesting you say that Manda, about wondering if you'd feel differently. I never thought about that.

On the lines of this thread, if I see one more FB chain status update whining about how congressmen are paying themselves and not the troops, I'm going to scream.

missy68 · April 2011

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_dear-congress?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9824befc-7d7c-461d-bf0c-795d4f310979Post:ccf90fa0-bf81-4367-8f67-0184f037eeb9">Re: Dear Congress...</a>:
[QUOTE]I think we should follow Jonathan Swift's advice for poverty and overpopulation.
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

Yesssss. My private school college wasn't in vain. (Edited for clarity - I didn't make sense to myself on Friday).

Beachy730 · April 2011

Okay clearly we are onto the PP issue, but my friend posted this on my wall about the budget and I thought it was funny (but true).

http://www.twitvid.com/ZLZY4

marinabreeze · April 2011

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[QUOTE]Exactly Manda. Exactly. In a perfect world, where people were educated and had birth control options and whatnot, abortion would be very rare, or even possibly unnecessary. We obviously don't live in that perfect world. Let's take care of the children who are already here, and are abused and starving and neglected, first, mkay?
Posted by cengle[/QUOTE]
I wish there was a "superlike" button for this. I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment.

Without attempting to stoke the abortion flames too much, I will say this. While IMO, I do think that a fetus does constitute a life, I don't feel it's right or logistically feasible for government to make choices regarding pregnancy for other women. I also feel that the anti-abortion movement (in general) tends to preach morality without sacrifice - concentrating on the preservation of unborn life, which doesn't cost them anything in taxes, but oftentimes are against doing anything about kids who are born and therefore do cost taxpayers money. When I see the movement advocate spending for social services, health care, etc., for the millions of kids they don't want to see aborted, then I'll have a lot more respect for it.

cengle · April 2011

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[QUOTE]I drive past a clinic that does abortions on my way home every day and there are always protestors. I wondered if I would feel differently about it once I got pregnant. Nope. Still am all for every woman's right to choose.
Posted by mandapanda78[/QUOTE]

I drive by the local PP on my way to school. I really want to go mess with the protestors one day, but I fear for my safety.

cengle · April 2011

Well, it's been a fun day, ladies, but I'm out for the day. Off to get a massage! Yay!
Have a good weekend, everyone!

emilyinchile · April 2011

I've been lurking on most of this and haven't had time to post til now, but this abortion thing drew me in.

Midget, my response to people with your line of thinking is the following: I think it's hard to argue that just because a woman got pregnant she is now less important than a fetus/other human (if you see fetuses as fully-formed humans). Even if you believe that they're equal - which clearly you do, if you equate abortion with the murder of a person - then that's pretty much the limit in terms of how much importance the fetus gets.

So, two humans being equal, the woman maintains her rights to decide what goes on with her body and maintains the right to remove the parasitic organism from it. If a fetus could survive on its own, then great, but it can't, so it's going to die anyway once removed. I don't think we call dying of natural causes murder, so abortion of a fetus that cannot survive on its own isn't murder.

I really don't see how you can support the abortion = murder argument unless you believe that pregnant women have lost their rights to their own bodies, and that's something I will just never be able to understand. Or until we invent a way to allow fetuses to be brought to term in a laboratory.

mandapanda78 · April 2011

marina I don't think I've ever noticed you round here before. Come sit on my bench. Would you like a cup of coffee? A cookie?

mandapanda78 · April 2011

I love Emily. Lots and lots and lots. And I'm going home now! YAY! Happy weekend everyone! See you Monday.

andy71781 · April 2011

Birdie just made people look at me weird for laughing so loud.

But HONESTLY...it's not about abortion. People get all riled about about abortion but sooo much of the funding to be cut is about BIRTH CONTROL.

emilyinchile · April 2011

Manda, you just made my day because I seriously typed all that out and then thought that it probably made no sense.

I also read a really interesting article once that made the point that everyone should be anti-abortion in the sense of wanting there to be fewer abortions because there are fewer unwanted pregnancies but that the way to achieve that goal is not by banning abortions themselves.

musicalsunlight · April 2011

My brain hurts.

mkrupar · April 2011

LC and Emily said it better than I could.

Midget since you're prolife. Are you for against the death penalty? To be truly prolife you would have to be against it. Because you know, that's taking someone's life.

(this wasn't meant to start a death penalty debate, I'm always curious by prolifers' answer to this. Unless you all want to run with it.)

mkrupar · April 2011

Oh and Andy hits the point home. It's not about abortion it's about BC and cutting the funding for that.

musicalsunlight · April 2011

I'm one of those "prolife for myself, prochoice for everyone else". And I'm not against the death penalty.

BTW, Emily, you are so articulate, and I like it.

Birdie1483 · April 2011

What do you call a dead baby with no arms and no legs in a swimming pool?

Bob

laurenclaire1386 · April 2011

What's the difference in an onion and a dead baby? No one cries when you chop up the baby.

andy71781 · April 2011

BIRDIE IS THE DEVIL.

And I like me some devil.

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