I want to talk about something.

SarahPLiz · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : I think this is a really interesting point. ETA - Maybe I'm thinking about this too much, but couldn't the public's perception of gays added to the HIV/AIDS/gay correlate in some way? About the time that HIV/AIDS was still being learned about, the people contracting it was the people engaging in the most risky behavior - as it is today, of course - but as a gay person in the 80s, where it was still pretty scary to be out in public, I would imagine it would create a lot of personal turmoil, which could lead to acting out in ways to try and suppress those feelings - for a gay man, could that not have been making ahem, connections with other men? In secret? ...Am I making my point or am I missing the mark, here?
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>I wasn't alive at that point, but I think homosexuality was largely hidden and ignored. IMO, GRIDS brought to light the lifestyle in lots of American homes, where such things were not discussed. There was a rush to condemn because of disease instead of a rush to understand. Its human nature. I think that the "dirty and diseased" rep stayed long after science proved it wrong, though, and that is sad.

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number55 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : it's pretty clear the bible is anti-gay. just sayin.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

<div>The bible mentions other 'sins' many many many times more often than homosexuality. Homosexuality is mentioned 7 times between both testaments. Greed is mentioned hundreds of times. </div><div>
</div><div>The bible mentions other acts that at that point in history were socially acceptable (hitting your wife) but that no longer are.</div>

kimheartsscott · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : Given the number of religious organizations speaking out against gay marriage or even the social acceptance of homosexuality (paraphrased from americancatholic.org), I think it's naive to believe that organized religion isn't at least partially to blame for rampant homophobia.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-kiss.gif" border="0" alt="Kiss" title="Kiss" />

(was that gay?)

mehgank · October 2010

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[QUOTE]delurking to say, for the love of all that is holy, please stop referring to the gay "lifestyle". I don't have a lifestyle . I have a life.
Posted by mypalbabs[/QUOTE]

Ohh was that my bad? I thought I referred to it as the gay community, but maybe I effed up.

*goes back to check her posts*

kimheartsscott · October 2010

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[QUOTE]delurking to say, for the love of all that is holy, please stop referring to the gay "lifestyle". I don't have a lifestyle . I have a life.
Posted by mypalbabs[/QUOTE]

Also, I agree with this.

SarahPLiz · October 2010

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[QUOTE]delurking to say, for the love of all that is holy, please stop referring to the gay "lifestyle". I don't have a lifestyle . I have a life.
Posted by mypalbabs[/QUOTE]

<div>I agree. Using that terminology only perpetuates the labels, labeling your whole lifestyle based on who you sleep with. That's not fair, and its really not meaningful at all. </div>

laladypoet · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : The bible mentions other 'sins' many many many times more often than homosexuality. Homosexuality is mentioned 7 times between both testaments. Greed is mentioned hundreds of times. The bible mentions other acts that at that point in history were socially acceptable (hitting your wife) but that no longer are.
Posted by number55[/QUOTE]
I was more talking about the whole sodom and gomorrah thing. I only have a passing acquaintance with the bible, and even I know that story, and how it says being gay is a sin. come on now.

Wrkn925 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : it's pretty clear the bible is anti-gay. just sayin.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

..or is that what we have interpreted it to be? After years of playing "telephone" with the stories, and translating to languages we don't completely understand, I just can't believe that everything in there is how we see it today.

I'm lost on my religious views, especially with the bible, so take that with a grain of salt.

ccdaisy · October 2010

I'm an AE of cakegirl.73...only because I couldn't get TK to delete my account- still Kelly.

anna.oskar · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : it's pretty clear the bible is anti-gay. just sayin.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

Sure it can be taken that way.

I'm thankful that the pastors at my church are willing to take the biblical teachings with a grain of salt that allows acceptance instead of shutting out all people that are deemed different.

Anysunrise · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : It probably should be directed at me. My atheism occassionally tips into the realm of anti-theism, although I've gotten better at shutting up before that happens. Marginally. />. /> Like Anysunrise, I don't have an issue with most individuals or their beliefs. I guess if you believed in ritual human sacrifice, we might have words, but -- in general -- I'm fairly open-minded. I will probably never understand on a personal how, but to each her own. *shrug* My problem is with organizations like the Catholic Church, that routinely threatens and intimidates its followers (what is the concept of hell if not a threat?!) and then throws their collective weight around in an attempt to legislate its own dubious morality.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Yup.

Wrkn925 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : my point is, how can one not blame religion, when one of the pillars of said religion is that being gay is wrong?
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

It seems that religion is the primary force against homosexuality, I just like to think that the people that view it that way are wrong, and using religion wrongly. I prefer to blame the person who decides that belief instead of religion as a whole.

kimheartsscott · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : I'd totally go gay for you.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Kickass.

laladypoet · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : It seems that religion is the primary force against homosexuality, I just like to think that the people that view it that way are wrong, and using religion wrongly. I prefer to blame the person who decides that belief instead of religion as a whole.
Posted by Wrkn925[/QUOTE]
I blame the person too. but I mostly blame the person who wrote it.

number55 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : It's true, but I think most contemporary Christians a. primarily focus on the teaching of Jesus (aka New Testament) and b. recognize that in many cases one must follow the spirit of the text and not the letter (of the Bible as a whole, not just that particular story). ETA: I should probably say most contemporary Christians I have come into contact with, which could be drastically different from Christians in other parts of the country for all I know.
Posted by NatesGirl16[/QUOTE]

<div>This. </div><div>
</div><div>And now I have to go unfortunately. Even though I started this thread, I have to do some work. I will be back to read whatever else is added. </div><div>
</div><div>Please know LP that I get where you are coming from, there are stories within the bible that are largely anti-homosexual. But there are also stories that are anti-woman and our views on those areas have changed. The bible is text that needs to be read in light of the time period during which it was lived out/written. I can't justify the anti-homosexuality within it beyond that. I do not agree with any type of prejudice against homosexuals whatsoever, be it legal or otherwise. I believe that Jesus believed in love above all else. I believe that he wouldn't have cared about who loved whom, regardless of gender. But I also know that is not a belief shared by all Christians. It is just what I believe and that belief in and of itself does not contradict all the other parts of being a Christian that I do believe in. I am not sure if that make sense but I hope it does. </div><div>
</div><div>I will be back later...</div>

anna.oskar · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : what the hell other way can it be taken?
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

I take it that there are many contradictions in the bible and the love one another bits are worth far more to humanity than parts that promote hate. The book was written by people and people can be wrong.

SarahPLiz · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : I take it that there are many contradictions in the bible and the love one another bits are worth far more to humanity than parts that promote hate. The book was written by people and people can be wrong.
Posted by anna.oskar[/QUOTE]

<div>I share this view, wholeheartedly. </div>

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : it's pretty clear the bible is anti-gay. just sayin.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

This is all in your interpretation. There are about 2 verses that specifically mention homosexual behavior (maybe 3), the best known is Leviticus 20:18. Paraphrasing: "thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman. It is an abomination."

However, it all depends on whether or not you believe the bible in infaliable and whether or not a book written between 1800 and 5000+ years ago and translated numerous times (from languages no longer in use, in some cases, which don't lend themselves well to exact translations) should be taken word for word.

Personally, that's not my bag. Leviticus means "law book" (losely translated - Jewish girls help me out, maybe). It was a set of laws for the ancient Israelites to abide by. Now, 5,000 years ago, I can see the benefit in discouraging homosexuality. It hindered reproduction, and when you're a small and persecuted group, you need all the help you can get. Also, it's something those pagan people did. Do I think this applies to society today? Um, no.

925, not sure if anyone mentioned this, but perhaps look into a Unitarian Universalist church. I'd really like to do that. I'm agnositc, but was raised Presbyterian. H was raised Catholic. I do NOT want to raise my children in/support the Catholic church. (I also went to Catholic school.) We would like to raise our children in some kind of religious community, but the challenge is finding something liberal enough to match up with our beliefs but homey enough for H (since there's a lot of ritual in Catholicism).

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : my point is, how can one not blame religion, when one of the pillars of said religion is that being gay is wrong?
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call it a PILLAR.

number55 · October 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I want to talk about something. : I wouldn't call it a PILLAR.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

<div>I would call it pillar only to those who CHOOSE to make it pillar. But it certainly wasn't pillar to Jesus' message. At all. </div>

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