What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare?

dmiller9274 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Gah. When I had to go to the ER and had high-deductible insurance (I paid out of pocket for the entire cost, but got a small discount b/c of insurance), I was shocked when I got the bill. Not because of the cost but because of what cost the most. The visit by the doctor actually cost more than 2 sets of xrays and pain meds. WTF? And the sling I had to wear was stupidly expensive. I could have just used a scarf, FFS.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]
The doctors are so expensive because states refuse to stop frivolous malpractice law suits. So, if one of those people that come into the hospital with no intention of paying their bill, gets a small scar from their stitches, that could potentially prevent them from ever being a hand model, the doctor's insurance company should have to pay them 50k for their lost opportunities at hand modeling.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : I might need to go back to the judging thread, but people who do this (and/or lie to the doctor to get their baby in for an earlier check-up) piss me off no end and I think contribute to the mess our health care system is in.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]

It's ok. One of them was in Canada.

mica178 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Gah. When I had to go to the ER and had high-deductible insurance (I paid out of pocket for the entire cost, but got a small discount b/c of insurance), I was shocked when I got the bill. Not because of the cost but because of what cost the most. The visit by the doctor actually cost more than 2 sets of xrays and pain meds. WTF? And the sling I had to wear was stupidly expensive. I could have just used a scarf, FFS.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

<div>Why wouldn't the doctor's fee cost more than pills and a couple pieces of film? It cost a heck of a lot more to go to medical school and get trained than it does for the company who manufactures the pills to make them or for the lab tech and the piece of film.</div><div>
</div><div>Of course, the doctor's fee usually also includes the facility fee. And for ER and clinic visits, the facility fee is usally at least as high as the doctor's take-home fee. Yup. When you see me in clinic, I keep less than half of what you pay me, the rest goes to my university or hospital for allowing me to practice there and their associated costs (maintenance, nursing staff, etc.).</div>

maratea · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Mixed babies are the most expensive. There's a lot of sprains and muscle tears when one half of you is trying to keep the other half down.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]
Dude, why aren't you a millionaire comedian? You are way funnier than everyone I see on Comedy Central.

chelseamb11 · March 2012

Maybe this isn't even feasable.. but wouldn't it make more sense to mandate a price cap for medical costs? i.e. an x-ray can cost $X maxiumum.. or this medication can only cost $X maxiumum. It's completely unconstitutional to make a person pay for something they don't want to. But I also agree with the other side of the coin. Why should their lack of insurance cost those who do buy insurance that much more? If the overall cost of healthcare were to go down, it wouldn't be so outrageous to expect a person to pay for the healthcare should they choose to forego the insurance. You can't tell me that one packet of bc costs $90+ to make. Or that a 10 minute consult by a doctor costs $500 (I've had that happen before). It's absolute crap.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

The issue with that, Chels (while I would agree with it in an ideal world) is the same as capping RX costs. It discourages companies from doing the R&D to develop new ones. If there's no incentive to pursue new technology, etc, then why bother dumping all that money into it?

NuggetBrain · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Dude, why aren't you a millionaire comedian? You are way funnier than everyone I see on Comedy Central.
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

I'd have to be on HBO. After midnight, with all the soft-core. Because I swear too much.

Although maybe I could bring together the world, since I say offensive things about pretty much every race and religion. I could be like Dr. Manhattan, only, you know. Not blue. And naked.

Unless you want me to be.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

Chels, you're just paying for everyone who ditches out on their bills.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : So you agree that it is completely unconstitutional to force people to pay for something they don't want, but your solution is to instead put a cap on what certain people can make? It's a private industry. I don't want the government to come in and regulate salaries/profits/etc. in a private industry.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Yeah this.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

I think people are confusing health care and health insurance again.

I think almost everyone would agree that we need an overhaul on our health system to make health CARE more affordable. (ETA: except maybe pharmaceutical companies.)

But my issue is that we shouldn't force people to buy insurance just to deal with the crap system that's already in place.

maratea · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : duh? Where else does the government get money from? it's all tax money of some sort. Probably from the obscenely high income tax that doctors have to pay. oh, irony.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]
Well, you know, given our current administration, I thought they'd just starting printing more money since they are so good at that. ;)

NuggetBrain · March 2012

It's a crappy vicious circle that can't really be fixed.

Drugs are sold at high prices, because the companies need to make money for R&D, to develop new life-saving drugs, which are then sold at high prices....

chelseamb11 · March 2012

DJ/Steph, that is true, and very valid.
I just think the whole situation is ridiculous and I see both sides of the coin. Constitutionally, it is not correct. But in a world where insurance isn't required, you get the medical care you absolutely NEED with or without insurance. I think medical care needs to either be 100% private or 100% public. If it's going to be private, you're SOL if you choose to not get insurance or pay for the services. If it's going to be 100% public, then the prices should be able to be mandated too. If that makes sense? Where we are right now feels like it's half public, half private. Private in that they can set their own prices, etc. Public in that, if a person can't afford the service, they can get it anyway because it's an asshole thing to let a person bleed to death in the parking lot just because they didn't get insurance. Plus that can just become a slippery slope.

Man I'm glad I'm not a politician. I have no solutions.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : I didn't choose to have acid reflux and to require the care of a GI specialist at the age of 24. I didn't choose to have my ovaries grow cysts because they feel like it. I didn't choose to miss a week of work because my period decided to appear with some sort of vengence. I shouldn't have to go bankrupt just to have these issues figured out. (This isn't really about the individual mandate, but more about health care is a right/is not a right.)
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]

I didn't choose for that to happen to you either. So why should my tax money be used to pay for it?!

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]It's a crappy vicious circle that can't really be fixed. Drugs are sold at high prices, because the companies need to make money for R&D, to develop new life-saving drugs, which are then sold at high prices....
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I'd rather see government funds going toward R&D of new drugs than covering health care costs, tbh.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Im just curious as to where they are going to get the 2 trillion its gonna cost to do this anyways.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Oh. Yeah AATB hit the nail on the head - tax dollars. I mean isn't that how anything government funded is paid for? It is projected that the ACA and IM will save $36 billion in uncompensated care. FWIW - I'm not saying our system works. I don't think people who don't have insurance or good coverage should get charged out the ass for necessary medical services and tests just because they don't have the bargaining power that insurance companies have. I don't think that individuals who want insurance should be paying out the ass for premiums just because they don't a huge company to bargain with the insurance company for lower rates. (That, on top of employer tax benefits and employers paying part of the premiums, is why it's much more affordable to get insurance at work rather than on your own.) I do think health care is a right though. I didn't choose to have acid reflux and to require the care of a GI specialist at the age of 24. I didn't choose to have my ovaries grow cysts because they feel like it. I didn't choose to miss a week of work because my period decided to appear with some sort of vengence. I shouldn't have to go bankrupt just to have these issues figured out. (This isn't really about the individual mandate, but more about health care is a right/is not a right.)
Posted by yaga13[/QUOTE]<div>Yes, but no doctor, government, or other individual chose those things for you either. They're part of life and sometimes unavoidable. I don't know why it's anyone else's responsibility to fix those things for you. The idea that government can right all the wrongs of life has completely bankrupted this country, and hasn't fixed any of what's wrong.

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maratea · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Im just curious as to where they are going to get the 2 trillion its gonna cost to do this anyways.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
Please refer to my last post Re: printing more money.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Of course, the doctor's fee usually also includes the facility fee. And for ER and clinic visits, the facility fee is usally at least as high as the doctor's take-home fee. Yup. <strong>When you see me in clinic, I keep less than half of what you pay me, the rest goes to my university or hospital for allowing me to practice there and their associated costs</strong> (maintenance, nursing staff, etc.).
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

I've always wondered what this break down was. I mean, someone's paying for the admin staff and the custodial staff and the electricity at the hospital.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Im just curious as to where they are going to get the 2 trillion its gonna cost to do this anyways.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
Uh, they'll just print it. It's not like the money is worth anything anyway. It's just paper that's based on an idea that soon enough no one will believe anyway.

cheeseandrice · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : Yes, but no doctor, government, or other individual chose those things for you either. They're part of life and sometimes unavoidable. I don't know why it's anyone else's responsibility to fix those things for you.<strong> The idea that government can right all the wrongs of life has completely bankrupted this country, and hasn't fixed any of what's wrong. </strong>
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

This is just going to be my response to any political debate from now on.

mica178 · March 2012

Curse you all for raising my taxes.

Did you know that my husband is only reimbursed for 25% of the charges he submits for patients he sees in the hospital. Yup. That's 75% of his potential income not being paid by either uninsured/underinsured or crappy insurance refusing to cover mental health stuff.

I usually get paid because most of my patients are Medicare. Of course, Medicare pays jack-ish.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Im wondering why we cant take some tax money and put it into a catastrophe fund for people who need coverage for big things like cancer, surgery, etc. Singapre does this and they are richer than us, and health care costs are way lower.

We should also look at how Switzerland does healthcare.

musicalsunlight · March 2012

So you agree that the mandate is unconstitutional, then, Yaga? I still haven't gotten if you do or not.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Mica- how do feel about the federal government potentially being your employer?

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Im wondering why we cant take some tax money and put it into a catastrophe fund for people who need coverage for big things like cancer, surgery, etc. Singapre does this and they are richer than us, and health care costs are way lower. We should also look at how Switzerland does healthcare.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting idea. I didn't know they did that.

mica178 · March 2012

Most R&D for new drugs comes from private sources, not the government. Of course, that means that most research that "proves" that new meds are safe and effective is funded by private companies that want the drugs to be safe and effective.

You can't win.

Blueyed228 · March 2012

Yaga- I have a lot of the same issues you do, and I pay for my own insurance so its covered.

maratea · March 2012

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[QUOTE]Curse you all for raising my taxes. Did you know that my husband is only reimbursed for 25% of the charges he submits for patients he sees in the hospital. Yup. That's 75% of his potential income not being paid by either uninsured/underinsured or <strong>crappy insurance refusing to cover mental health stuff.</strong> I usually get paid because most of my patients are Medicare. Of course, Medicare pays jack-ish.
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]
This kind of stuff makes me really pissed. So someone who doesn't have insurance can walk into the ER and get treated for the fucking flu, but someone who does have insurance, albeit shitty insurance, can't get help for a true problem because it's classified as mental health. Such bullshit.

laurenclaire1386 · March 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare? : No part of the ACA is making you pay for my health care (just as I'm not paying for yours). Unless, of course, I was on Medicaid, but I'm not. If I didn't have insurance, I wouldn't be able to get that care because no specialist in their right mind would take me as a patient. I don't think they should either - they need to make a living too. <strong>DJ - some people strongly believe that health care is a right. Not a privilege. I'm one of those. Not super specialized care, but basic care.
Posted by yaga13</strong>[/QUOTE]
Can you explain your reasoning? I'm not trying to be a stoolhead, I'm just curious.

What do you think is going to happen with Obamacare?

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