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Devastated. Please help me sort this out.

I'll try to keep this as short as possible without skipping any important details.

FI lost his job a little over a week ago.  It was a temp job, expected to last until the end of this month.  That would have been perfect, since our wedding is July 19th, and we're moving 1000 miles away within a couple weeks.  My mom is really upset that he's not working anymore, as am I, because we're really struggling to pay for the wedding and the move and grad school that starts in August for me.  There's nearly 0 chance that FI can work until we leave.  We've been looking.  There's not much in this area, and he doesn't have a car.  He also doesn't have time to apply for a regular job, get hired, get trained, and then say "oh yeah, I'm moving in 2 weeks..."  He also is doing a project for my uncle, which he will get paid for as a wedding gift.  My FI calculated it, and it will take him about 4 weeks to finish it, and it will pay more than he's going to get paid if he worked anywhere else.  It's not ideal, but it's all we have.  My mom doesn't think this is acceptable, and she gives many reasons, only some of which are valid.  I'm trying to explain this as best as possible, but it's hard to shorten this.  We live with my mom.  It wasn't the plan, but we were desperate last fall, and she let us stay there until we move.  She would not accept rent.  This was mistake #1 on our part, staying with her, and not paying "rent" (we contribute in other ways though).   In a nutshell, my mom is borderline mentally abusive towards me.  I say borderline because I'm not willing to admit anything more than that.  Let's just say this past year has been a nightmare.  My whole life really.

Here's where this gets worse.  My mom offered to pay for our reception (at least most of it- my FI and I, and my dad are contributing).  FI and I are paying nearly everything else.  My mom was really insistent that she pay (which we hadn't planned on).  She said she'd be hurt if she we didn't accept.  Mistake #2-We accepted.  Overall, the planning process has gone smoothly.  The three of us have gone to meetings and tastings at the venue together, and it's gone well.  Until now.

I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but this morning she threatened to not pay for the reception, because FI doesn't have a "real" job.  I anticipated this, because she's said from time to time how she "won't support our marriage" if FI doesn't work.  (our definitions of work differ, I might add).  But she's told me that she has no issue with him and that he's great for me, so I'm confused.  I think it's a control thing plus panic that I'm moving.  (Btw, I'm the youngest child).  Anyway, she played that final card this morning.  I beandipped her, and left for work.  She called me numerous times on my way to work, which I did not answer (I was on the phone with my therapist trying to gain perspective on this).  She called me 9 times in 30 minutes.  Then once more when I got to work.  Then she texted saying to call her NOW, and I wrote back saying I was at work and didn't really have any privacy (which is 100% true).  She never wrote back, and called again 30 minutes later.  I'm terrified.

Ok, so I had to give you the background.  I left out a lot, but I hope it was clear enough.  My question is, now what?  She has a history of making empty threats like this, but what happens if she absolutely refuses to pay?  FI and I CANNOT pay for it.  There is absolutely no way.  We couldn't even put a dent in it.  We invited 180 guests.  I think my mom thinks that by doing this, she'll stop us from getting married, which isn't true.  We'll still get married that day, whether or not anyone is there to see it.  We could afford to host our BP and a few VIPs if we go out to eat somewhere after the wedding.  But we can't pay for anyone else.  How do we go about explaining this to our guests?  They'll be devastated, and so will FI and I.  Almost half are driving in from OOT.  Most of the people we've heard yes's from so far though are fairly local.  Most OOTs haven't responded yet.  In case this is an empty threat, I don't want to react too soon.  But I don't know.  How do I do this?  What do I do?  Please help me.  TIA.

 

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Re: Devastated. Please help me sort this out.

  • I'm gonna let wiser folks offer suggestions. I just want to send virtual ::hugs:: your way.
  • Background question, and maybe I missed this. I have to admit, I started to skim: Why are you moving? Does FI have a job lined up there? I'm just trying to understand why your mother thinks he'll never work because he has a month without employment.  Did he have a 'real' job (I don't know what that means) when she made the promise to pay?

     

    Just trying to understand what she's upset about.

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    LMc0322 said:

    Background question, and maybe I missed this. I have to admit, I started to skim: Why are you moving? Does FI have a job lined up there? I'm just trying to understand why your mother thinks he'll never work because he has a month without employment.  Did he have a 'real' job (I don't know what that means) when she made the promise to pay?

     

    Just trying to understand what she's upset about.

    We're moving because I'm starting grad school.  Because of our finances, we considered deferring, but ultimately decided against it. 

    We differ in our opinions of "real" job.  Basically, she's thinking, anything that's more permanent in nature that provides more security, which isn't untrue.  This past year, because we're moving soon, for us, a job has been anything that pays.  Between temp jobs he's had plus substitute teaching, plus my job, we've been fine.  But now we're in a bind because there's no time for anything else. 

    When she offered to pay and we set everything up, he wasn't working at all.  He applied to a few places and hadn't heard yet.  He was working less than a month after we put the deposit down on the reception venue.

    ETA: I forgot to mention that he's in the process of applying for jobs where we're moving.  Hopefully that'll turn up something good!

  • The only advice I have is that no matter what happens remember this: In just a little over one month you'll be marrying the love of your life. If everything you're worried about happening happens at the end of it you will still be married. 

     
     
    (It won't let me type out of the quote box, but this ^^ is perfect advice.)
  • I'm sorry all of this is going down.

    I'd wait until you get home and then talk to your mom. If she is set on pulling the funds, then so be it. Were the invitations in her name (Mrs. WittyKitty invites you to..)? If they were, that is perfect, because as the host, she will have to notify the guests that the wedding has been canceled. Then you can host a small dinner for the VIPs. I hope everything works itself out.
    The invitations themselves said "together with their families", but were sent out from her name, and RSVPs were addressed directly to her.  If this happens, this will look bad on her.  I don't think she wants that.  If she does this, is it fair to ask her to help me notify guests of the situation?  If we do this, I don't want to make it sound like FI and I aren't getting married, because we are.  I don't want to give excess info to the guests, but I want to assure them that this isn't an issue between FI and I.
  • Can I ask what your therapist recommended as far as how to handle  her?
  • I'm so sorry to hear about everything you are going through. The good news is that this is almost over. Yes, this isn't an ideal situation with FI work, but sounds like you are going to make the best of it. The good news is that she can't stop you from getting married. As long as you have your license, an officiant and if required witnesses, you can get married anywhere with or without her blessing. If she threatens to withhold anything or not pay, worse case you cancel the reception hall, dj, etc. You may have to work out a payment plan if needed to cover cancellation fees. Maybe as a back up in case you can't contact guests is just let them know of possible change of venue & just say, due to unforeseen circumstances we are going to have a cake & punch reception followed at the same location as our ceremony. This way you can still host your guest, for a lessor cost. Good luck & hopefully this moves bring you and FI lots of happiness.
  • Whose name is the reception contract under?  If she signed with the vendor she is going to be on the hook for an awful lot of money.
  • kmmssg said:
    Can I ask what your therapist recommended as far as how to handle  her?
    My therapist doesn't like how I've been I've been treated all these years.  But she's been helping me to think of it from my mom's point of view.  My mom doesn't realize how hurtful she's been, and she has her own stuff going on.  She's been acting worse because she's afraid of me moving.  I'm trying to remain sympathetic to what her experience is with this.  Thinking like that has helped me remain calm when my mom is around.  I haven't shown any strong negative reaction or done anything to retaliate, which I'm very happy about.
  • kmmssg said:
    Whose name is the reception contract under?  If she signed with the vendor she is going to be on the hook for an awful lot of money.

    Yeah, this part gets fun.  She paid the deposit and is paying for it, but it's in my name.
  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?

    She's not going to take responsibility, ever.  The biggest consequence is that she's going to miss me a lot when I'm gone.  I'll still talk to her of course, but maybe then she'll realize how much she's appreciated having me around.
  • Can you afford to host your guests in a different way? For example, instead of going to a formal reception, could you host a barbeque or something more low-key?  I didn't know if you had the budget for anything like that-- I know you said you could take some VIPs out to dinner, but maybe if you bought in bulk you could host more at a local park, etc? Then you could just tell people it's a change of location.  Either way, internet hugs sent your way.  Congratulations on your move-- you'll finally be far away from all of this nonsense.
  • I'm sorry all of this is going down.

    I'd wait until you get home and then talk to your mom. If she is set on pulling the funds, then so be it. Were the invitations in her name (Mrs. WittyKitty invites you to..)? If they were, that is perfect, because as the host, she will have to notify the guests that the wedding has been canceled. Then you can host a small dinner for the VIPs. I hope everything works itself out.
    The invitations themselves said "together with their families", but were sent out from her name, and RSVPs were addressed directly to her.  If this happens, this will look bad on her.  I don't think she wants that.  If she does this, is it fair to ask her to help me notify guests of the situation?  If we do this, I don't want to make it sound like FI and I aren't getting married, because we are.  I don't want to give excess info to the guests, but I want to assure them that this isn't an issue between FI and I.
    "Mom, if you are pulling the money for the reception, please notify all the guests that our wedding will no longer be taking place as planned."

    After the wedding, you can send announcements to the original guest list, and say something like Mr.and Mrs. WittyKitty were married in a private ceremony on date," so that people know the wedding occurred, just not as planned.
    I like this plan :)
  • We have a couple options if she does this.  Our church has a hall that we can rent for $150 (and they have a sliding scale if we're in a bind).  I thought about doing something there.  There's a super awesome Chinese buffet nearby too that I've considered.

    I don't know if cake and punch will work, considering this is all happening around dinner time.  But I'll look into it if I need to.

    Thanks for all the replies!

     

  • "Mom, if you are pulling the money for the reception, please notify all the guests that our wedding will no longer be taking place as planned."

    After the wedding, you can send announcements to the original guest list, and say something like Mr.and Mrs. WittyKitty were married in a private ceremony on date," so that people know the wedding occurred, just not as planned.
    Exactly this. I'm so sorry you're under all this stress. If you can, get away with FI for a day in the park and promise each other you won't talk about anything stressful the whole time you're there. I promise you'll feel better and gain perspective.

    Seems like FI could get a temp job (anywhere - retail, restaurant, etc.) - they usually expect higher turn over anyway. Then start lining something up for wherever you'll be moving to so he can start working right away when you get there. 
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  • We have a couple options if she does this.  Our church has a hall that we can rent for $150 (and they have a sliding scale if we're in a bind).  I thought about doing something there.  There's a super awesome Chinese buffet nearby too that I've considered.

    I don't know if cake and punch will work, considering this is all happening around dinner time.  But I'll look into it if I need to.

    Thanks for all the replies!

     

    These look like great ideas-- you may just have to shift the timing, which is awful (not that it's changing, but that your mother is putting you in that position).  I'm a terrible person, but I would then let everyone know why your plans changed.  But that's probably not the grown up thing to do.
  • Is there anyone your mom listens to?  Maybe a sibling? Can you get them to talk to her, and explain that you signed a contract based on her representation that she would pay?  And that it is not right at this point to back out (absent financial issues on her part)?

    No, she won't really listen to anybody, with a few exceptions.  For the most part, the only people that she might listen to are people that will always agree with her.  She can do no wrong.

    The only two people that she MIGHT listen to would be my brother or my uncle.  But I don't really want to tangle anyone else in this mess.  She's already talked to my dad about it, who tried to call me (I didn't answer).  He and my mom have both called FI.  He couldn't answer when my mom called, but he did when my dad called.  My mom already complained to my dad about it, and while my dad partly agrees with her, I guess he and FI had a very civil discussion about it. 

    I just don't want this to snowball into something bigger than it needs to be.  The less people involved, the better.

  • You might also consider calling up your venue and asking if you move it to a nonmeal time, could they do drinks and appetizers for the price of the deposit. 

    I'll look into it!
  • I just wanted to say how sorry I am that you're in this position. Lots of hugs and luck and thoughts.
  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?


    Totally agree with the above - enough of this nonsense. She can either put up or shut up, as they say (or, in this case, pay up). You did nothing wrong in accepting her generosity.

    Sending hugs your way - FI's team got laid off the week he proposed, six months ago, and the job search continues. It's tough to be making this big life step while some areas of life are uncertain, but in the end, love is love, and what matters is the marriage, not the wedding. Hang in there!! And good luck on him finding a new job in the next city - that seems like the priority right now. xoxo

  • Have you pointed out to your mom that your FI would actually make more money doing this side job for your uncle?  Like literally have a side by side comparison to show her FI would be making more money. 

    Also, reading your last update, your mom got your dad involved.  Would your dad be able to help you guys pay your moms portion if she truly back out?  I know asking for money is bad, but your getting to the end and need to come up with some plan Bs.

  • Have you pointed out to your mom that your FI would actually make more money doing this side job for your uncle?  Like literally have a side by side comparison to show her FI would be making more money. 

    Also, reading your last update, your mom got your dad involved.  Would your dad be able to help you guys pay your moms portion if she truly back out?  I know asking for money is bad, but your getting to the end and need to come up with some plan Bs.


    I told her that this morning.  She said that it didn't count, that it was supposed to be extra, which is true.  But our circumstances changed.  I told her that we couldn't use our energy regretting how we would have done things differently.  All we can do know is move forward based on the information we have.

    My dad would certainly offer to pay...if he could.  He doesn't have the financial resources to pay, which is ok.  He'd probably be the only person who I'd actually accept any help from if it was offered.

  • I'd definitely start looking into alternatives - changing the time so all you need are some munchies or having a private ceremony and taking the VIPs out to dinner. Find a plan B you and your FI are happy with and keep it on the back burner in case your mom is just having a temper tantrum and snaps back. Does your mom know that if she withdraws her money, the wedding she helped plan will not be happening and since she is the host, it would be her responsibility to tell people that the wedding will not proceed as planned?

    Virtual hugs going your way.

  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    This is great advice. I'm saying this from the standpoint of having a mother that sounds a little bit like your own. Her threats may be empty, but in the event that it's not, it's great that you are putting together a back up plan.

    Have you tried to sit down and talk with your mom about the move if that's what's causing her to throw a tantrum? When my mom is stressed about something, I can't say a word to her without her constantly yelling at me with a frustrated answer. It's always been that way and I've learned to walk away or ask her what's wrong (giving space sometimes gets her more upset so I have to gauge the situation each time) If you sit her down and ask her to please talk to you without fighting, you might have a shot at getting to the core of the issue once and for all. Then maybe the threats will cease and she will back off of your FIs employment situation.


  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?
    Yes, and please don't take this the wrong way- I am very sorry for your situation all around, and good on ya for seeking help- but I might be inclined to seek a new therapist.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?
    Yes, and please don't take this the wrong way- I am very sorry for your situation all around, and good on ya for seeking help- but I might be inclined to seek a new therapist.
    I appreciate your feedback.  My therapist has been wonderful throughout this ordeal and worked with me on all my problems.  I've been seeing her for almost 5 years now.  She and FI are the ones helping me get through this.  She hasn't said a whole lot about how the relationship between my mom and I will change once or move, or how she'll feel about this whole thing. Right now we're mostly focused on making sure I don't have another meltdown before that point. 
  • I'm definitely not taking your Mom's side on this, but it seems like she might really be upset because her little girl is moving away and she won't be there to take care of you anymore(which she's doing by letting you live with her for free and paying for your wedding). Your FI not having a job is just reinforcing for her that you need her to take care of you because your FI can't. Threatening to take away the money for your wedding is her way of reminding you that you need her because she knows you and FI can't pay it yourselves.

    So my advice here is to sit down with your Mom as two adults and explain to her that you and FI have plans for what you are doing now and when you move and it is between the two of you. You're sorry that she no longer wants to pay for your wedding, but you and FI have another plan for your wedding and you will handle it. She's going to be mad because you're basically letting her know that she doesn't have to take care of you so this will go one of two ways: She will change her mind and pay for the reception or you and FI will have to implement your backup plan.

    As far as a backup plan, I think some of the pp has some great ideas for how you could change it to make it affordable for you.

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  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?
    Yes, and please don't take this the wrong way- I am very sorry for your situation all around, and good on ya for seeking help- but I might be inclined to seek a new therapist.
    I appreciate your feedback.  My therapist has been wonderful throughout this ordeal and worked with me on all my problems.  I've been seeing her for almost 5 years now.  She and FI are the ones helping me get through this.  She hasn't said a whole lot about how the relationship between my mom and I will change once or move, or how she'll feel about this whole thing. Right now we're mostly focused on making sure I don't have another meltdown before that point. 
    OK so she is helping you  manage your actions and reactions. . . if you feel it is working, then keep it up and good luck!

    Again, I'm sorry you are in this difficult and stressful situation.

    "Love is the one thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends time and space."


  • kmmssg said:
    Based on your last post, I'd say to calmly say to her, "Mom, if you aren't going to pay for the reception, we need to cancel the contract and contact the guests.  FI and I will take it from here" and walk away.

    I'm not trying to second guess your therapist here, but just exactly when is mom supposed to face the reality of how hurtful she is and take responsibility for her actions?  Or face the consequences of her actions?
    Yes, and please don't take this the wrong way- I am very sorry for your situation all around, and good on ya for seeking help- but I might be inclined to seek a new therapist.
    I appreciate your feedback.  My therapist has been wonderful throughout this ordeal and worked with me on all my problems.  I've been seeing her for almost 5 years now.  She and FI are the ones helping me get through this.  She hasn't said a whole lot about how the relationship between my mom and I will change once or move, or how she'll feel about this whole thing. Right now we're mostly focused on making sure I don't have another meltdown before that point. 
    When you're dealing with controlling parents, they often have some underlying trauma that causes them to lash out when they feel their world is out of control (you're getting married, you're moving, things are changing). It's a very "fear-oriented" existence for those folks, which is not to say that you should work to allay their fears by giving in to their demands. But they see things in terms of how everything happens TO them, which keeps them from accepting responsibility for their actions. This allows them to feel like a victim and often makes their children feel like the villain. (We just got an email from my FI's mom last night... She still can't accept responsibility for her crazy behavior in the last year. She still is blaming other people. We've cut her off, not invited her to our wedding, it's extreme, and she is still blaming us and other people for the estrangement, when it reality, it was her actions and her words that caused it.)

    Your therapist is right. You may not be able to change your mom, because to her, everything is someone else's fault, but managing your responses to her tantrums is crucial.
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