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Re: Someone On My Side?

  • beethery said:

    BRB guys I'm going to the store. Hopefully I don't get surprised by sex from a stranger while I'm out. I mean, if I leave the house, that means I've consented and responsible for it. Makes sense!

    That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. Who said anything about consent? Mitigating being victimized by the scumbags of the world is nothing like giving consent. But there's lots you can do to prevent potential victimization on many fronts, if you choose. I know the choices I make.
  • FTFY


    How sad for you.
  • No, there fucking isn't. Because rape is NEVER EVER the victim's fault IN ANY FUCKING WAY

    Oh, there's not? Tell that to all the men and women teaching self defense classes. And concealed carry classes. And the folks selling pepper spray, mace and tasers. It's not about assigning blame. It's always gonna be the fault of the scumbag who perpetrated the crime. That's not the argument. The argument is whether one can help prevent becoming a victim on the first place, regardless of fault. And yes, yes you can in many instances. Like leaving your cocktail on the bar unattended. Digging for your keys in your purse unaware of your surroundings in a dark parking lot. But people like you will never get it because you're more interested in worrying about whose fault bad things are than helping prevent them.
  • Then clearly you haven't read the shit you're typing.


    I haven't said anything I'd deem stupid. My only interest in this is not seeing more women in the op's position if they can help it. But like clockwork working in a bar, I'll be able to set my watch by it.

  • No, there fucking isn't. Because rape is NEVER EVER the victim's fault IN ANY FUCKING WAY
    Oh, there's not? Tell that to all the men and women teaching self defense classes. And concealed carry classes. And the folks selling pepper spray, mace and tasers. It's not about assigning blame. It's always gonna be the fault of the scumbag who perpetrated the crime. That's not the argument. The argument is whether one can help prevent becoming a victim on the first place, regardless of fault. And yes, yes you can in many instances. Like leaving your cocktail on the bar unattended. Digging for your keys in your purse unaware of your surroundings in a dark parking lot. But people like you will never get it because you're more interested in worrying about whose fault bad things are than helping prevent them.

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    The first problem here is that you're assuming she left her cocktail at the bar unattended, which from what I recall she didn't say she did.  How do we know the bartender didn't slip something in the drink as he made it or some creeper didn't just quickly slip something in while she bent down to pick something up?  How can you assume anything about her situation?   

    And again, while we can give advice to maybe help for next time, now is not the time to talk about what you think she should have done because it doesn't help and you spent more time blaming her for not "watching out" than the son of a bitch who may have drugged her.

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    When is the correct time to make women aware of how to actively contribute to their safety? The OP had a bad night. But but by bad night standards, this sounds like a walk in a park. Many women won't be so lucky.

    And I assume if she was drugged, which has not been confirmed, it probably wasn't the bartender bc in order for that to ever work he'd have to know when she was leaving the bar (by herself) and hope he was off in time to take advantage of her. A random creeper is much more likely a suspect. And the exact types women should be hyper aware of.

    Y'all can continue to try to make this out to be me being the bad guy. I'll continue to watch women make stupid decisions and poor choices for a living.
  • I believe you. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Nobody should have their judgment called into question when they feel unsafe.
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  • Oh, there's not? Tell that to all the men and women teaching self defense classes. And concealed carry classes. And the folks selling pepper spray, mace and tasers. It's not about assigning blame. It's always gonna be the fault of the scumbag who perpetrated the crime. That's not the argument. The argument is whether one can help prevent becoming a victim on the first place, regardless of fault. And yes, yes you can in many instances. Like leaving your cocktail on the bar unattended. Digging for your keys in your purse unaware of your surroundings in a dark parking lot. But people like you will never get it because you're more interested in worrying about whose fault bad things are than helping prevent them.
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    The first problem here is that you're assuming she left her cocktail at the bar unattended, which from what I recall she didn't say she did.  How do we know the bartender didn't slip something in the drink as he made it or some creeper didn't just quickly slip something in while she bent down to pick something up?  How can you assume anything about her situation?   

    And again, while we can give advice to maybe help for next time, now is not the time to talk about what you think she should have done because it doesn't help and you spent more time blaming her for not "watching out" than the son of a bitch who may have drugged her.

    ETA: TK's boxes are killing me
    When is the correct time to make women aware of how to actively contribute to their safety? The OP had a bad night. But but by bad night standards, this sounds like a walk in a park. Many women won't be so lucky. And I assume if she was drugged, which has not been confirmed, it probably wasn't the bartender bc in order for that to ever work he'd have to know when she was leaving the bar (by herself) and hope he was off in time to take advantage of her. A random creeper is much more likely a suspect. And the exact types women should be hyper aware of. Y'all can continue to try to make this out to be me being the bad guy. I'll continue to watch women make stupid decisions and poor choices for a living. image
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  • He didn't fucking think to like...I don't know....call 911???? WTF 
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    &nbsp When is the correct time to make women aware of how to actively contribute to their safety? The OP had a bad night. But but by bad night standards, this sounds like a walk in a park. Many women won't be so lucky. And I assume if she was drugged, which has not been confirmed, it probably wasn't the bartender bc in order for that to ever work he'd have to know when she was leaving the bar (by herself) and hope he was off in time to take advantage of her. A random creeper is much more likely a suspect. And the exact types women should be hyper aware of. Y'all can continue to try to make this out to be me being the bad guy. I'll continue to watch women make stupid decisions and poor choices for a living.

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    Nope nope nope.  All the nope. 

    Yes, there are some common sense steps that we can utilize in order to make us more safe.  Covering your drink, getting your keys out before you get to the parking lot, all of those and more.  But basically saying that if you do all those things nothing bad will every happen to you is so BEYOND ridiculous, my eyes hurt from rolling them so hard.

    People do horrible things to each other.  And people do horrible things regardless of whether others protect themselves or not.  You can do everything right and STILL be assaulted - which takes the blame off people preventing things, and puts it right back on the people who do them, where it should be.

    "The OP had a bad night. But by bad night standards, this sounds like a walk in a park"  Maybe by your standards it was a walk in the park, but by the OP's standards, it was a pretty fucking bad night.  Who are you to assign the level of trauma she's feeling?  Every person is different.  Everyone responds to things in a different way.  And people who just wave off bad experiences because it doesn't rate high on their meter give me a bad taste in my mouth.

    @mrsdee15 - I hope you're feeling better.  If you decided to go and get a drug test and it comes back positive, I hope you do take the results and make a police report.  Maybe your local department won't do anything with it, but maybe similar occurrences have happened at that bar and they're slowly building a case and yours will help prevent this from happening to other people.

    **The OMH formerly known as jsangel1018**
  • Oh, there's not? Tell that to all the men and women teaching self defense classes. And concealed carry classes. And the folks selling pepper spray, mace and tasers. It's not about assigning blame. It's always gonna be the fault of the scumbag who perpetrated the crime. That's not the argument. The argument is whether one can help prevent becoming a victim on the first place, regardless of fault. And yes, yes you can in many instances. Like leaving your cocktail on the bar unattended. Digging for your keys in your purse unaware of your surroundings in a dark parking lot. But people like you will never get it because you're more interested in worrying about whose fault bad things are than helping prevent them.
    These are temporary solutions to a problem that is going to take a lot of work and time to fix. The point is that women shouldn't have to take self-defense classes or carry pepper spray or worry abotu when they leave the house. 
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  • Fi's dad was roofied, he thinks it was meant for the women net to him, and the attacker got confused because FFIL ordered a 'girly' drink.
    Hope you're feeling better OP. 
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  • doeydo said:
    Isn't everhart the one that also blamed victims of domestic abuse, unless they were physically chained down or something?
    I don't remember the terms, but yes. More victim-blaming.

    OP, I hope you got some progress since this took place.
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  • Is reading comprehension that hard? At what point did I compare watching one's own cocktail in public and rapists breaking and entering? Jesus fucking Christ, is understanding the difference between the things we can control and the things we can't that fucking hard? I get that some posters aren't as bright as others but I've been pretty goddamn clear about the difference and I don't get what's hard to grasp. I'll continue to concern myself with personal safety and what exactly I consider people's own responsibilities to themselves. Not all of us are bumbling through life with blinders on. Some of us have a healthy grasp on what is and isn't within our control. I'm beyond tired of people not having an equally firm grasp on the same.
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