Talk to me about Juice Cleanses

VulgarGirl · January 2015

hellosweetie1015 · January 2015

Okay guys. I gotta say it. I've been following this thread, and really this has bothered me.

Scientifically, "veggies" don't exist. The word "vegetable" is an entirely culinary term for all sorts of fruits, berries, roots, tubers, greens, seeds, and legumes. The only reason we call them vegetables is because they are a little bit less sweet than culinary "fruits" such as apples, strawberries, and the like.

FI told me that about a billion years ago (or, like, last week - they all blur together) and it stuck because my mind was blown.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

All of this talk is making me hungry, lol!

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

Okay guys. I gotta say it. I've been following this thread, and really this has bothered me.

Scientifically, "veggies" don't exist. The word "vegetable" is an entirely culinary term for all sorts of fruits, berries, roots, tubers, greens, seeds, and legumes. The only reason we call them vegetables is because they are a little bit less sweet than culinary "fruits" such as apples, strawberries, and the like.

FI told me that about a billion years ago (or, like, last week - they all blur together) and it stuck because my mind was blown.

Really? That's what has bothered you about this discussion, from a scientific standpoint? LMAO.

That's truly taking anal to a new level ;-)

VulgarGirl · January 2015

I had oreos for lunch. But it was in a milkshake. Which is like a smoothie. So it's good for me.

See if I went on a juice fast, I'd just juice food that is shitty for me. With a good blender and some liquid I can make anything a smoothie.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

MagicInk said:

I had oreos for lunch. But it was in a milkshake. Which is like a smoothie. So it's good for me.

See if I went on a juice fast, I'd just juice food that is shitty for me. With a good blender and some liquid I can make anything a smoothie.

I love me some double stuffed, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

And today some us may have learned vegetable is a culinary term, not a botanical term :-)

amelisha · January 2015

Now I just want an oreo-caramel McFlurry so bad, thanks @MagicInk. I don't think I've had one for years but something about "oreo milkshake" just made me think of that. Damn.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

amelisha said:

Now I just want an oreo-caramel McFlurry so bad, thanks @MagicInk. I don't think I've had one for years but something about "oreo milkshake" just made me think of that. Damn.

This is a thing?! O.o

Woah.

VulgarGirl · January 2015

amelisha said:

Now I just want an oreo-caramel McFlurry so bad, thanks @MagicInk. I don't think I've had one for years but something about "oreo milkshake" just made me think of that. Damn.

I have NEVER HEARD OF THIS. Is this a Canada thing? You're in Canada right? Do we just not have this magic in the US? Why? WTF American McDonalds? The Canadians are WINNING.

amelisha · January 2015

I don't think it was ever on the menu (at least up here) @PrettyGirlLost, but you used to be able to get them to put caramel in an Oreo McFlurry. And in my somewhat fatter, shift-work days I used to get one on my way home from the restaurant and mow through it before I even drove home.

KatWAG · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

MagicInk said:

I had oreos for lunch. But it was in a milkshake. Which is like a smoothie. So it's good for me.

See if I went on a juice fast, I'd just juice food that is shitty for me. With a good blender and some liquid I can make anything a smoothie.
I love me some double stuffed, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

And today some us may have learned vegetable is a culinary term, not a botanical term :-)

Red Velvet Oreos come out this week.

KatieinBkln · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

KatieinBkln said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

HFCS isn't inherently bad for you- it's just sugar.

HFCS is water, fructose, and glucose. Fructose is a sugar found naturally in fruits and vegetables, and glucose is another plant based sugar. Our bodies process HFCS, and the fructose and glucose from fruits and vegetables in the exact same way.

The reason HFCS is "bad' for you is because it's in everything, not because it's HFCS. The issue with all sugars is eating too much. Period.

Yes, processed foods are "bad" for the most part because they contain more sugars, salts, etc. than what the average person needs on a daily basis.

Didn't they (I know, so specific, "they") do a study recently-ish suggesting that HCFS actually breaks down differently than naturally-occurring sugars? I want to say I read that it was actually converting straight to fat or some shit (or did something fat-oriented in the liver...I am not a doctor or scientist so I am butchering the shit out of this). But it's possible they weren't able to replicate that study (or that I read it in a stupid publication that conflated causation and correlation, as they tend to do).

No idea.

I think fructose is the type of sugar most readily converted into fat, and HFCS is made up of more fructose than glucose, I think. So there's more fructose in it that our bodies can potentially turn into fat.

I think the main issue is that our livers/kidneys aren't designed to handle the amount of sugar that we have the potential to eat daily if we are eating a lot of things that have HFCS in them- if that makes sense.

That does make sense, thanks. Given that it is "high-fructose," I can see how it's a proportion/amount problem.

I still try to avoid it as a general rule for avoiding processed shit (and I'm reading The Omnivore's Dilemma which has informed me that we're all made almost entirely of corn, and not the delicious kind that makes the rounds in August).

[Deleted User] · January 2015

@KatieinBkln I also recently read that it's been determined that HFCS and cane sugar are processed differently in the body. Also HFCS apparently contain contaminants such as mercury because of something that is used in the manufacturing process, which is fine in small amounts but dangerous at the levels that many people ingest it.

That being said, I agree with @PrettyGirlLost and @MagicInk - I do love oreos. I can't deny it. LOL.

@hellosweetie1015 FI told me this too! It's hard to make that mental shift though LOL.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

KatWAG said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

MagicInk said:

I had oreos for lunch. But it was in a milkshake. Which is like a smoothie. So it's good for me.

See if I went on a juice fast, I'd just juice food that is shitty for me. With a good blender and some liquid I can make anything a smoothie.
I love me some double stuffed, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

And today some us may have learned vegetable is a culinary term, not a botanical term :-)

Red Velvet Oreos come out this week.

WHAT?!

OMG this thread is blowing my fucking mind right now. There are no veggies- that's some Matrix shit BTW- oreo caramel McFlurry's exist theoretically- like Schrödinger's Cat- and now Red Velvet Oreos.

I need to leave work. What more could I possibly accomplish today?

hellosweetie1015 · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Okay guys. I gotta say it. I've been following this thread, and really this has bothered me.

Scientifically, "veggies" don't exist. The word "vegetable" is an entirely culinary term for all sorts of fruits, berries, roots, tubers, greens, seeds, and legumes. The only reason we call them vegetables is because they are a little bit less sweet than culinary "fruits" such as apples, strawberries, and the like.

FI told me that about a billion years ago (or, like, last week - they all blur together) and it stuck because my mind was blown.

Really? That's what has bothered you about this discussion, from a scientific standpoint? LMAO.

That's truly taking anal to a new level ;-)

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

KatieinBkln said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

KatieinBkln said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

HFCS isn't inherently bad for you- it's just sugar.

HFCS is water, fructose, and glucose. Fructose is a sugar found naturally in fruits and vegetables, and glucose is another plant based sugar. Our bodies process HFCS, and the fructose and glucose from fruits and vegetables in the exact same way.

The reason HFCS is "bad' for you is because it's in everything, not because it's HFCS. The issue with all sugars is eating too much. Period.

Yes, processed foods are "bad" for the most part because they contain more sugars, salts, etc. than what the average person needs on a daily basis.

Didn't they (I know, so specific, "they") do a study recently-ish suggesting that HCFS actually breaks down differently than naturally-occurring sugars? I want to say I read that it was actually converting straight to fat or some shit (or did something fat-oriented in the liver...I am not a doctor or scientist so I am butchering the shit out of this). But it's possible they weren't able to replicate that study (or that I read it in a stupid publication that conflated causation and correlation, as they tend to do).

No idea.

I think fructose is the type of sugar most readily converted into fat, and HFCS is made up of more fructose than glucose, I think. So there's more fructose in it that our bodies can potentially turn into fat.

I think the main issue is that our livers/kidneys aren't designed to handle the amount of sugar that we have the potential to eat daily if we are eating a lot of things that have HFCS in them- if that makes sense.

That does make sense, thanks. Given that it is "high-fructose," I can see how it's a proportion/amount problem.

I still try to avoid it as a general rule for avoiding processed shit (and I'm reading The Omnivore's Dilemma which has informed me that we're all made almost entirely of corn, and not the delicious kind that makes the rounds in August).

There might have been a study related to what you were saying, I just haven't seen anything personally.

When you start looking at what HFCS is in, it's stunning. It's in Saltines. WTF? I get that it is sweeter than regular sugar so they can use less of it, but still. Saltines?

It's $$$$$$ to avoid all processed stuff though. And then you miss out on the joys of oreos, Doritos, and cheetohs ><

KatWAG · January 2015

My apologies @prettygirllost the red velvet oreos will be released on feb 2.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

KatWAG said:

My apologies @prettygirllost the red velvet oreos will be released on feb 2.

I was gonna go to the store today

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KatieinBkln · January 2015

teenabeenerz said:

@KatieinBkln I also recently read that it's been determined that HFCS and cane sugar are processed differently in the body. Also HFCS apparently contain contaminants such as mercury because of something that is used in the manufacturing process, which is fine in small amounts but dangerous at the levels that many people ingest it.

That being said, I agree with @PrettyGirlLost and @MagicInk - I do love oreos. I can't deny it. LOL.

@hellosweetie1015 FI told me this too! It's hard to make that mental shift though LOL.

That is fascinating. Mercury is no joke, especially for women of childbearing age and children. (I used to be in a public interest/environmental group in college and learned that the waterways in my state were so contaminated with mercury that the state officially advised against women/children eating any fish caught there. This was from coal power plant pollution, not food processing, but still horrifying. Fishing was pretty big there.)

cupcait927 · January 2015

Nothing to add to the juicing discussion but in regards to the HFCS - that shit is in everything. H being diagnosed with a corn allergy has been pretty much the best thing ever in terms of getting us to eat healthier. He pretty much can't eat anything from a box or a bag because 95% of the time it has corn in it, either to be used as a filler or a sweetener. It was so eye-opening after he first got diagnosed and I had to start reading labels at the grocery store. We now do a lot of meat, eggs, fruits and veggies because it's just easier than spending a ton of money on organic substitutes.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Okay guys. I gotta say it. I've been following this thread, and really this has bothered me.

Scientifically, "veggies" don't exist. The word "vegetable" is an entirely culinary term for all sorts of fruits, berries, roots, tubers, greens, seeds, and legumes. The only reason we call them vegetables is because they are a little bit less sweet than culinary "fruits" such as apples, strawberries, and the like.

FI told me that about a billion years ago (or, like, last week - they all blur together) and it stuck because my mind was blown.

Really? That's what has bothered you about this discussion, from a scientific standpoint? LMAO.

That's truly taking anal to a new level ;-)

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on the use of the terms "dressing" and "stuffing" which peaks around Thanksgiving.

theycallmelinz · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:
There might have been a study related to what you were saying, I just haven't seen anything personally.

When you start looking at what HFCS is in, it's stunning. It's in Saltines. WTF? I get that it is sweeter than regular sugar so they can use less of it, but still. Saltines?

It's $$$$$$ to avoid all processed stuff though. And then you miss out on the joys of oreos, Doritos, and cheetohs ><

I would die without Cheetohs. And I CANNOT buy oreos or I will eat every. single. one. in one sitting. And not be mad about it.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

KatieinBkln said:

teenabeenerz said:

@KatieinBkln I also recently read that it's been determined that HFCS and cane sugar are processed differently in the body. Also HFCS apparently contain contaminants such as mercury because of something that is used in the manufacturing process, which is fine in small amounts but dangerous at the levels that many people ingest it.

That being said, I agree with @PrettyGirlLost and @MagicInk - I do love oreos. I can't deny it. LOL.

@hellosweetie1015 FI told me this too! It's hard to make that mental shift though LOL.

That is fascinating. Mercury is no joke, especially for women of childbearing age and children. (I used to be in a public interest/environmental group in college and learned that the waterways in my state were so contaminated with mercury that the state officially advised against women/children eating any fish caught there. This was from coal power plant pollution, not food processing, but still horrifying. Fishing was pretty big there.)

Apparently now arsenic is an issue now, and there is a form or some forms that are naturally occurring in the soil.

hellosweetie1015 · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Okay guys. I gotta say it. I've been following this thread, and really this has bothered me.

Scientifically, "veggies" don't exist. The word "vegetable" is an entirely culinary term for all sorts of fruits, berries, roots, tubers, greens, seeds, and legumes. The only reason we call them vegetables is because they are a little bit less sweet than culinary "fruits" such as apples, strawberries, and the like.

FI told me that about a billion years ago (or, like, last week - they all blur together) and it stuck because my mind was blown.

Really? That's what has bothered you about this discussion, from a scientific standpoint? LMAO.

That's truly taking anal to a new level ;-)

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on the use of the terms "dressing" and "stuffing" which peaks around Thanksgiving.

...oh God.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on the use of the terms "dressing" and "stuffing" which peaks around Thanksgiving.

...oh God.

I mean I get wanting to be correct. . . if we were both chefs working in a kitchen. But we are regular Joe Schmoes and for 30 years of my life I knew it only as stuffing.

Chill, Dad, lol.

hellosweetie1015 · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on the use of the terms "dressing" and "stuffing" which peaks around Thanksgiving.

...oh God.

I mean I get wanting to be correct. . . if we were both chefs working in a kitchen. But we are regular Joe Schmoes and for 30 years of my life I knew it only as stuffing.

Chill, Dad, lol.

I just think the words we use are fascinating, especially compared to their actual meanings/recognized meanings. Obviously the difference in stuffing and not-stuffing (whatever you choose to call it) is that stuffing is stuffed somewhere, and not-stuffing is ... well, not stuffed.

Also FI is a chef with a degree in food science. There is no escape from the food. There is only food and the science of making it. (And occasional poultry processing. That's nice to talk about over chicken alfredo.)

ETA and batman. There is batman too.

VulgarGirl · January 2015

KatieinBkln said:

That is fascinating. Mercury is no joke, especially for women of childbearing age and children. (I used to be in a public interest/environmental group in college and learned that the waterways in my state were so contaminated with mercury that the state officially advised against women/children eating any fish caught there. This was from coal power plant pollution, not food processing, but still horrifying. Fishing was pretty big there.)

Guys...I just...my brain left today.

I was like why is @KatieinBkln talking about Mercury going retrograde? How does that tie in with food?

Mercury goes retrograde on Wednesday in case you were wondering.

PrettyGirlLost · January 2015

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

Well, there's a lot. But I figure you and @ladymillil have the sciencey stuff on lock, and I can't really contribute to that discussion anyway, seeing as I am a fat, happy, processed-food-eating French major.

I would never personally do a juice cleanse. I have a whole lot of concern regarding "fad" diets.

I also would never start juicing, but that's more because I don't like juice. Too sweet.

I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on the use of the terms "dressing" and "stuffing" which peaks around Thanksgiving.

...oh God.

I mean I get wanting to be correct. . . if we were both chefs working in a kitchen. But we are regular Joe Schmoes and for 30 years of my life I knew it only as stuffing.

Chill, Dad, lol.

I just think the words we use are fascinating, especially compared to their actual meanings/recognized meanings. Obviously the difference in stuffing and not-stuffing (whatever you choose to call it) is that stuffing is stuffed somewhere, and not-stuffing is ... well, not stuffed.

Also FI is a chef with a degree in food science. There is no escape from the food. There is only food and the science of making it. (And occasional poultry processing. That's nice to talk about over chicken alfredo.)

ETA and batman. There is batman too.

I used to love Alton Brown's show because he talked about that and it was really interesting.

I can't get into poultry processing. . . I know it's awful, but I don't really want to know the details.

hellosweetie1015 · January 2015

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

hellosweetie1015 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:
I was just messing with ya. The comment is cool geek info and it did make me LOL.

I laughed because it reminded me of my engineer father and his unending quest to correct us all on

I mean I get wanting to be correct. . . if we were both chefs working in a kitchen. But we are regular Joe Schmoes and for 30 years of my life I knew it only as stuffing.

Chill, Dad, lol.

I just think the words we use are fascinating, especially compared to their actual meanings/recognized meanings. Obviously the difference in stuffing and not-stuffing (whatever you choose to call it) is that stuffing is stuffed somewhere, and not-stuffing is ... well, not stuffed.

Also FI is a chef with a degree in food science. There is no escape from the food. There is only food and the science of making it. (And occasional poultry processing. That's nice to talk about over chicken alfredo.)

ETA and batman. There is batman too.

I used to love Alton Brown's show because he talked about that and it was really interesting.

I can't get into poultry processing. . . I know it's awful, but I don't really want to know the details.

I LOVE ALTON BROWN. I have the DVR set to record ALL of his shows (they still come on on the Cooking Channel) and - because I don't have enough food science in my life - I watch it when FI's at work. Alton Brown is my second favorite chef on the planet. For real.

The poultry processing ...process... is not a thing I have to listen to very often, thankfully.

atlastmrsg · January 2015

What I liked about my modified cleanse is that it made me stop eating processed and take out. I had two juices--breakfast and lunch--and a list of things for dinner that were all veggie or veggie plus lean meat. I don't tout those seven days as making me healthier or much skinnier--I lost a pound or two--but it got me in the right frame of mind to eat better things and to stop relying on convenience, aka the Panera drive thru, when I was in a hurry.

For someone who can benefit from shifting frame of mind, I think a few days of it can be beneficial. Day 3--you want all the bad things--the cupcakes, the pizza. By day 7, you're ready to eat the veggies and lean proteins because you're just happy to be eating more than one meal per day along with your juices.

Some people don't need to shift their frame of mind to eat the veggies on their own. Some people need labeled bottles/recipes and structure until they can do it on their own. I liked the modified cleanse to get me in the healthier frame of mind. It was like spring cleaning psychologically. Some people can't do work until they clean their house/desk/office/whatever. Same thing.

Now relying on it for long term dieting or healthiness, no bueno.

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