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I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
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I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
A few more/comments on stuff other people posted/followup
I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
Interesting. The only time I've ever seen it as a standalone name is my cousin's son.
According to Wikipedia, shortening "William" to "Liam" is an Irish thing. So based on my family/where I'm from, it makes sense that I've only seen it that way.
ETA: But my point doesn't just apply to "Liam" specifically, that was just an example. I am equally opposed to "Bill" or "Katie" or "Annie" or whatever.
A few more/comments on stuff other people posted/followup
I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
Interesting. The only time I've ever seen it as a standalone name is my cousin's son.
According to Wikipedia, shortening "William" to "Liam" is an Irish thing. So based on my family/where I'm from, it makes sense that I've only seen it that way.
Interesting. The only time I've ever seen it as a standalone name is my cousin's son.
According to Wikipedia, shortening "William" to "Liam" is an Irish thing. So based on my family/where I'm from, it makes sense that I've only seen it that way.
ETA: But my point doesn't just apply to "Liam" specifically, that was just an example. I am equally opposed to "Bill" or "Katie" or "Annie" or whatever.
Well, that's just because Liam is an Irish (nick)name... it's been co-opted but it's not like "only Irish people shorten William to Liam, but Liam is a regular name for other people." You're still right even if most people nowadays see it as a standalone name.
But lots of names do start like that... Jack didn't start out as its own name - it was originally a nickname for John. Actually a LOT of names started as nicknames for John. (Maybe cuz everyone was named John and they needed to tell people apart.)
Interesting. The only time I've ever seen it as a standalone name is my cousin's son.
According to Wikipedia, shortening "William" to "Liam" is an Irish thing. So based on my family/where I'm from, it makes sense that I've only seen it that way.
ETA: But my point doesn't just apply to "Liam" specifically, that was just an example. I am equally opposed to "Bill" or "Katie" or "Annie" or whatever.
Well, that's just because Liam is an Irish (nick)name... it's been co-opted but it's not like "only Irish people shorten William to Liam, but Liam is a regular name for other people." You're still right even if most people nowadays see it as a standalone name.
But lots of names do start like that... Jack didn't start out as its own name - it was originally a nickname for John. Actually a LOT of names started as nicknames for John. (Maybe cuz everyone was named John and they needed to tell people apart.)
See, to me, Jack still IS a nickname for John. I would never consider "Jack" its own name.
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I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
My brothers and I were given our names because of our Irish heritage. They may not be traditional spellings, but my mom picked Liam for one of my brothers because it was Irish. It had absolutely nothing to do with being short for William. I've never heard of that.
I know a girl with whose name is Jenniffer. Yes, with two f's.
I just read an article on USAToday that the Frozen craze is so big that people are naming their kids Sven. The article quoted an actor in the show saying "if it gets to the point where you are naming your child after a reindeer, you really need to get yourself checked out."
This made me laugh because Sven is a valid name anyway, primarily in Scandinavia. My mom and sister and I had a really hot waiter named Sven once (he was indeed Scandinavian). After, we used to joke for years if we came across a hot service worker we'd say, "My waiter / plumber / UPS guy was a total Sven!"
I agree that it's a perfectly valid name if general you're from/in Scandinavia. But if you're naming it after reindeer in an animated kids movie, I judge.
I don't get nicknames that are the same length or longer than their formal counterpart. It makes zero sense to me.
Fucking this man.
And syllables. Don't tell me that "Juniper" is a nick name for "June" It doesn't fucking work that way. (There's been some more egregious ones, this is just the most recent that I can recall)
Oh. And I hate the name Holden. Catcher in the Rye was a shitty book. Fuck you hipsters.
A few more/comments on stuff other people posted/followup
I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
Interesting. The only time I've ever seen it as a standalone name is my cousin's son.
According to Wikipedia, shortening "William" to "Liam" is an Irish thing. So based on my family/where I'm from, it makes sense that I've only seen it that way.
ETA: But my point doesn't just apply to "Liam" specifically, that was just an example. I am equally opposed to "Bill" or "Katie" or "Annie" or whatever.
Liam Hemsworth! Liam Neeson! two very important Liams
hmm I can't edit my comment. But it was its own name from way before the 1970s, I have some Liams in my family from the 1800s and it wasn't short for William.
Fran nobody's saying people don't use lots of names as freestanding names, or that anybody isn't free to do that, just that at some point in time they originated as nicknames. For Liam, it became popular in the US in the 1970s, meaning it wasn't in the top 1000 names before then.
I don't get nicknames that are the same length or longer than their formal counterpart. It makes zero sense to me.
Fucking this man.
And syllables. Don't tell me that "Juniper" is a nick name for "June" It doesn't fucking work that way. (There's been some more egregious ones, this is just the most recent that I can recall)
Oh. And I hate the name Holden. Catcher in the Rye was a shitty book. Fuck you hipsters.
Nickname doesn't mean it's shorter, it just means it's a different, familiar form of your real name. Diminutives are short forms of a full name. So Kate is the diminutive of Katherine but KareBear can still be a nickname for Karen.
Though I'll agree that Jack as a nickname for John doesn't make any damn sense. That's like "my name's Bill, but you can call me Bob." But... why?
I don't get nicknames that are the same length or longer than their formal counterpart. It makes zero sense to me.
Fucking this man.
And syllables. Don't tell me that "Juniper" is a nick name for "June" It doesn't fucking work that way. (There's been some more egregious ones, this is just the most recent that I can recall)
Oh. And I hate the name Holden. Catcher in the Rye was a shitty book. Fuck you hipsters.
Nickname doesn't mean it's shorter, it just means it's a different, familiar form of your real name. Diminutives are short forms of a full name. So Kate is the diminutive of Katherine but KareBear can still be a nickname for Karen.
Though I'll agree that Jack as a nickname for John doesn't make any damn sense. That's like "my name's Bill, but you can call me Bob." But... why?
I have never understood "Jack" for John either. Bill for Bob just made me think of my uncle - I just found out that my Uncle Reggie's real name is Robert. My whole life I thought his name was Reginald and then collecting addresses for the wedding I find out it's Robert. Still don't know where the nickname came from.
I don't get nicknames that are the same length or longer than their formal counterpart. It makes zero sense to me.
Fucking this man.
And syllables. Don't tell me that "Juniper" is a nick name for "June" It doesn't fucking work that way. (There's been some more egregious ones, this is just the most recent that I can recall)
Oh. And I hate the name Holden. Catcher in the Rye was a shitty book. Fuck you hipsters.
Nickname doesn't mean it's shorter, it just means it's a different, familiar form of your real name. Diminutives are short forms of a full name. So Kate is the diminutive of Katherine but KareBear can still be a nickname for Karen.
Though I'll agree that Jack as a nickname for John doesn't make any damn sense. That's like "my name's Bill, but you can call me Bob." But... why?
I have never understood "Jack" for John either. Bill for Bob just made me think of my uncle - I just found out that my Uncle Reggie's real name is Robert. My whole life I thought his name was Reginald and then collecting addresses for the wedding I find out it's Robert. Still don't know where the nickname came from.
H's step-grandpa goes by Ed, but his given name is Adolph. Didn't want to go by his full name for obvious reasons, and there isn't really a good diminutive for Adolph, so he picked Ed. Alrighty, Ed it is.
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I also hate -leigh instead of -ly. I went to school with a girl named Ashleigh who we all hated and behind her back we all called her "Ash-LAY" like immature third graders (this was literally in grad school).
I'm on the opposite side as some people re: nicknames. I hate hate HATE when NICKNAMES are used as given names. My cousin named her son Liam. Liamis not a name. William is a name, for which Liam is a nickname. That is the entire point of nicknames.
I also went to middle school with a girl named Unique. Literally.
Also, a girl from college who I cannot stand. She embodies all of the negative stereotypes about southern sororities - super rich and pretentious, overly concerned about her appearance, always decked out on Lilly Pulitzer and Jack Rodgers, very vaguely racist, etc. She named her daughter Ellora. I figured it wasn't a real name and googled it. For SO long I was tempted to comment on one of her posts about the baby "That's awesome, I didn't know you and your husband were such huge Star Trek fans!"
I'm pretty sure Liam is totally a name on it's own. I've literally never heard it as a nickname for William.
Liam as a free-standing name only goes back to the 1970's.
Interesting, I've never seen it used as a nickname.
Definitely farther back than the 70s. We have an Uncle Liam (full given name) who's in his late 60s, and Liam Neeson must be in his 60s. AMac Liammóir is on record in the 16th century. mac Liam móir = son of Big Liam. So I'd be willing to bet that while it started as a nickname, it's more of a derivative name. That's like saying Lisa is not a name, because it started as a nickname for Elizabeth. Nope, now it qualifies as a stand alone name.
Definitely farther back than the 70s. We have an Uncle Liam (full given name) who's in his late 60s, and Liam Neeson must be in his 60s. AMac Liammóir is on record in the 16th century. mac Liam móir = son of Big Liam. So I'd be willing to bet that while it started as a nickname, it's more of a derivative name. That's like saying Lisa is not a name, because it started as a nickname for Elizabeth. Nope, now it qualifies as a stand alone name.
Sure it does, but isn't it important to know that's where it came from, so you don't name your kid Liam William Lastname? So he doesn't end up like my friend's sister Lisa Elizabeth, who was really embarrassed to grow up and learn that her name was Lisa Lisa?
I don't get nicknames that are the same length or longer than their formal counterpart. It makes zero sense to me.
Fucking this man.
And syllables. Don't tell me that "Juniper" is a nick name for "June" It doesn't fucking work that way. (There's been some more egregious ones, this is just the most recent that I can recall)
Oh. And I hate the name Holden. Catcher in the Rye was a shitty book. Fuck you hipsters.
Holden Caulfield can suck a dick. I FUCKING HATE THAT BOOK.
Wow I definitely never would havemade the ccorrelation of Liam and William!! But I was also shocked when I learned that Tori was short for Victoria. So I'm not too bright hahah
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I agree that it's a perfectly valid name if general you're from/in Scandinavia. But if you're naming it after reindeer in an animated kids movie, I judge.
I'm the fuck out.
I actually like diminutives and the history behind how they became "legitimate" names in their own right.