Vent. Not about work/relationships/or wedding.

holyguacamole79 · March 2015

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.

@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.

beethery · March 2015

I want most of you to have a fucking spectacular Thursday!

jdluvr06 · March 2015

I honestly don't think that Christians should have to participate in gay weddings if it is truly against their beliefs, however, instead of making laws about this I think that these people should not own businesses that would put them into that position.

VulgarGirl · March 2015

drunkenwitch said:
My bottom line is this. I don't care what anyone's beliefs are. I don't care if they think I am crazy or I am going to hell or I am evil. I don't care if they say it to my face.
When someone tries to make their religion actual law. I fucking care.

I used to have this really awesome bumper sticker that said "The last time religion and politics mixed people were burned at the stake".

holyguacamole79 · March 2015

jdluvr06 said:
I want most of you to have a fucking spectacular Thursday!

Right back at ya!

drunkenwitch · March 2015

And here I was thinking "damn, it's gotten boring round these parts". Never a dull moment huh ladies?

AlexisA01 · March 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.
@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.

I did; which explains my reply.

novella1186 · March 2015

jdluvr06 said:
I honestly don't think that Christians should have to participate in gay weddings if it is truly against their beliefs, however, instead of making laws about this I think that these people should not own businesses that would put them into that position.

Right. If you don't believe in abortion that's totally cool. Fine. Does not offend me. So then don't become an abortion doctor and you'll be fine.

I quite frankly don't care about what other people believe because that doesn't affect me or impact my life. You wanna worship Satan or The Fonz or whoever the fuck? Cool. Go for it.

But when you try to force your own religious beliefs on me, like by making state-wide or nation-wide laws, that now affects me. And that's not fucking cool.

It's freedom of religion, not force religious beliefs on others.

theartistformerlyknownas · March 2015

beethery said:
I want most of you to have a fucking spectacular Thursday!

Some others, we'll just see you next Tuesday.

Kahlyla · March 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

MagicInk said:
If you were a taxi driver and a woman got in your taxi and said "Planned Parenthood please" would you refuse to drive her there? Would you question what she was going there for? I honestly don't know. You have posed a good question, and I really don't know what I'd do. I would probably take her there and just say a prayer for her. I will say this, though. I am a technology consultant and we work with some larger name companies. If PP were one of our clients (it isn't, to the best of my knowledge) and I were proposed to that project, I would decline based on personal beliefs.

And you should be reprimanded or fired or otherwise not looked kindly upon for that, right? That's how these things should work. Make a stand for something you believe in, and then face the consequences. The law should not be saying, "Nah, bro, it's all good if your sky-fairy said so. You don't really have to do your job if you think it's icky and shit."

I was once asked to write a message containing the word "Fuck" on a cake (when I worked at a bakery). It was obvious that it was kind of a prank among friends, everyone involved was adults, whatevs. But it got me thinking, what if someone asked me to write some sort of slur on a cake? I would refuse to do it, and if pressed I would explain to my managers why I refused to do it. And then, well... then that's just one of those things, isn't it? I would hope they would have my back, but if they didn't, I wouldn't be working there anymore. And maybe I would think about talking to the newspaper or something, but I don't think I would be whining that the law should protect me from not doing the job I'm paid to do. Because technically, I would be refusing to do my job. A pharmacist who refuses to dispense birth control is fucking FAILING at their job. And they should bloody well be fired.

holyguacamole79 · March 2015

lolo883 said:

beethery said:
I want most of you to have a fucking spectacular Thursday!
Some others, we'll just see you next Tuesday.

I still love y'all

ashley8918 · March 2015

holyguacamole79 · March 2015

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.
@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.
I did; which explains my reply.

Some of the teachings of Leviticus / Deuteronimy were intended to only apply to the Israelite at that time. Some of them were meant to be for all.

HeatherKat · March 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.
@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.
I did; which explains my reply.
Some of the teachings of Leviticus / Deuteronimy were intended to only apply to the Israelite at that time. Some of them were meant to be for all.

But why is shrimp cocktail only for the Jews, but no homo is for everyone?

morewineplease · March 2015

MagicInk said:
So basically @holyguacamole79 what you're saying is, the church changes it's rules as it sees fit to go with the changing times?

At one time, don't eat shrimp, made sense. Go ahead and own people, made sense. Black people should have different drinking fountains, made sense. Per the Bible.

So how long before "Lol we were joking, homos is cool!" happens?

If you were a taxi driver and a woman got in your taxi and said "Planned Parenthood please" would you refuse to drive her there? Would you question what she was going there for?

Lets say I get into a really bad car accident with my wife. She's unconscious when EMTs arrive on scene but I'm not. I tell the EMTs her name and that she is my wife. Well it turns out these EMTs are Catholics. Are they within their rights to refuse to save my wife? Is saving my wife contributing to our sin? Assuming once she is saved she will continue to eat my pussy like a death row inmate?

YUP… This clicky might have been the last year I made any attempt at being "good" during lent, before finally deciding there was too much hypocrisy for me.

ashley8918 · March 2015

HeatherKat said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.
@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.
I did; which explains my reply.
Some of the teachings of Leviticus / Deuteronimy were intended to only apply to the Israelite at that time. Some of them were meant to be for all.

But why is shrimp cocktail only for the Jews, but no homo is for everyone?

theartistformerlyknownas · March 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

lolo883 said:

beethery said:
I want most of you to have a fucking spectacular Thursday!
Some others, we'll just see you next Tuesday.
I still love y'all

AlexisA01 · March 2015

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:

AlexisA01 said:

holyguacamole79 said:
Bottom line - the Bible is meant to be taken in context. This explains it better - https://carm.org/leviticus-homosexuality-old-testament-law
So again, cherry picking? Because it seems like it is all over the place. I'm Muslim and I read the Qu'ran. It's my religion but it mentions the same thing about homosexuality and other outrageous things especially regarding womens' rights. I disregard many of the teachings because of my own personal logic and believe love has no bounds. There is no reason in this universe to discriminate against people on who they love.
@alexisa01, did you read the link I attached? It gives a better explanation.
I did; which explains my reply.
Some of the teachings of Leviticus / Deuteronimy were intended to only apply to the Israelite at that time. Some of them were meant to be for all.

While it may make sense to them during that time period but now it explains the problems. It shouldn't be designed to pick and chose.

thisismynickname2 · March 2015

We have some people trying to kindly explain points of view, and others being insulting. Because combatting hatred with more hatred totally solves problems.

ashley8918 · March 2015

thisismynickname said:
We have some people trying to kindly explain points of view, and others being insulting. Because combatting hatred with more hatred totally solves problems.

Care to elaborate instead of being intentionally vauge?

morewineplease · March 2015

I am truly sickened by people using god and religion to treat other people badly.

And FYI I am friends with God on Facebook and he has no problem with gay people, so maybe the rules have changed.

VulgarGirl · March 2015

thisismynickname said:
We have some people trying to kindly explain points of view, and others being insulting. Because combatting hatred with more hatred totally solves problems.

Trying to explain bigotry? It's bigotry. Flat out. It's hating and discrimnating against someone for who they are.

It's like saying "Now, now, everyone calm down and listen to the nice man about why Jim Crow laws are maybe an ok thing".

onefootinthebayou · March 2015

It's fairly common knowledge that there is a reasonably powerful gay lobby in the fucking Vatican! This drives me crazy about Catholicism (Agnostic, or questioning, believing in evolution scientist and lapsed Catholic here).

Interesting read: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/12/gay-clergy-catholic-church-vatican

Having gotten some pretty intimate glimpses into federal politics over the years, I've grown pretty cynical and have com to believe that this type of hideous legislation can actually be more politically driven than religious initiative. I think a lot of politicians cloak their terrible ideas in religion to appeal to their base - although I cannot for the life of me think of an advantage that passing laws that allow bigotry would afford anyone, politician or constituent.

I'm on your side 100% @magicink. I'm sorry this ruined your day and I'm angry with you and for you. (By "with you", I obviously mean "alongside you"!)

AlexisA01 · March 2015

MagicInk said:

thisismynickname said:
We have some people trying to kindly explain points of view, and others being insulting. Because combatting hatred with more hatred totally solves problems.
Trying to explain bigotry? It's bigotry. Flat out. It's hating and discrimnating against someone for who they are.

It's like saying "Now, now, everyone calm down and listen to the nice man about why Jim Crow laws are maybe an ok thing".

Pretty much what @MagicInk said. So far nobody is insulting to each other and combating with hatred.

novella1186 · March 2015

mmk ya know what. I don't like when shit gets heavy but it's story time.

I get really fucking worked up about LGBT issues because I feel like, in a way, I'm right there with them. No, being Jewish is not the same as being gay, but I was born this way. I didn't ask to be Jewish. Same as people in the LGBT community.

In fact, we believe that Judaism is passed matrilineally through blood, and since my mother is Jewish, yeah I was literally born with it in my blood. Whether I like it or not.

In high school, I got so sick of being bullied for being a Jew that I started wearing a cross around my neck and told people I had "converted." I hadn't fucking converted. I didn't even know what Christianity was or how to join a church or how to go through the conversion process. But I said it anyway.

Do you know how extreme things need to get for a person to actually deny what they are? Do you know how far things need to go and how bad things need to be to push someone to that point? I'll give you a hint; it's such a low point that pretty much the next step is suicide. And I tried. Unfortunately/Fortunately I didn't have enough sleeping pills.

Do you know what it's like to be ashamed of what you are? To be ashamed of being ashamed? But you can't help it because the terror outweighs the shame. Because it is fucking TERRIFYING to think that people might find out what you are, at which point you have NO IDEA how they are going to react; they could stop being your friend, beat you up, slam you into the wall, threaten your life, cuss at you, scream racial slurs at you, or who knows what else. All of the above happened to me in high school almost every fucking day. For being born the way I was born. And I imagine that some LGBT people go through similar things, merely for being born a certain way. It's not fucking easy.

And, icing on the cake, after a lifetime of dealing with that level of torment, do you know how fucking unspeakably painful it would be to walk into a business and be denied service just for being who you are?

So it's easy for heterosexual white girls of mainstream religions to say religious people should be entitled to a certain level of discrimination because reasons. I try to keep an open mind, and I try to have some understanding of that.

But at the end of the day I will ALWAYS fucking stand by the LGBT community like my life depends on it because I also know how bad it feels to be told someone wants no association with me/doesn't want to help me/doesn't like me/doesn't want me around/whatever the fuck else hatefulness because I was fucking born how I was born. AND FUCK THAT. That is an ugly, ugly, ugly world to exist in and it will never be ok.

thisismynickname2 · March 2015

MagicInk said:

thisismynickname said:
We have some people trying to kindly explain points of view, and others being insulting. Because combatting hatred with more hatred totally solves problems.
Trying to explain bigotry? It's bigotry. Flat out. It's hating and discrimnating against someone for who they are.

It's like saying "Now, now, everyone calm down and listen to the nice man about why Jim Crow laws are maybe an ok thing".

Yeah, I will elaborate. A poster was told the ole see you next Tuesday line. Unnecessarily harsh.

Look, being raised Catholic, my only takeaway from 13 years of Catholic education was that marriage was only to procreate. Gay people couldn't procreate so gay marriage was wrong. Jesus didn't hate gays, Catholics shouldn't hate gays, and gays would have other callings in life. Do I believe all this now? No. I believe the Church needs to catch up with the social times. Not everyone thinks this way. I hope people will come to realize those teachings are outdated. But spreading hate towards people with those beliefs is counterproductive. Someone else said some people are bigoted out of fear and not actually knowing anyone gay. I agree. I'd turn towards advocacy for rights before spewing hate right back.

chibiyui · March 2015

Novella:

I'm about to start my second glass of drink. Although instead of fruit punch with a bit of so co I'm thinking so co with a bit of fruit punch, anyone else joining me?

VulgarGirl · March 2015

I love you so much @novella1186, so fucking much. Come here, we will cuddle and look at puppies.

ashley8918 · March 2015

novella1186 said:
mmk ya know what. I don't like when shit gets heavy but it's story time.

I get really fucking worked up about LGBT issues because I feel like, in a way, I'm right there with them. No, being Jewish is not the same as being gay, but I was born this way. I didn't ask to be Jewish. Same as people in the LGBT community.

In fact, we believe that Judaism is passed matrilineally through blood, and since my mother is Jewish, yeah I was literally born with it in my blood. Whether I like it or not.

In high school, I got so sick of being bullied for being a Jew that I started wearing a cross around my neck and told people I had "converted." I hadn't fucking converted. I didn't even know what Christianity was or how to join a church or how to go through the conversion process. But I said it anyway.

Do you know how extreme things need to get for a person to actually deny what they are? Do you know how far things need to go and how bad things need to be to push someone to that point? I'll give you a hint; it's such a low point that pretty much the next step is suicide. And I tried. Unfortunately/Fortunately I didn't have enough sleeping pills.

Do you know what it's like to be ashamed of what you are? To be ashamed of being ashamed? But you can't help it because the terror outweighs the shame. Because it is fucking TERRIFYING to think that people might find out what you are, at which point you have NO IDEA how they are going to react; they could stop being your friend, beat you up, slam you into the wall, threaten your life, cuss at you, scream racial slurs at you, or who knows what else. All of the above happened to me in high school almost every fucking day. For being born the way I was born. And I imagine that some LGBT people go through similar things, merely for being born a certain way. It's not fucking easy.

And, icing on the cake, after a lifetime of dealing with that level of torment, do you know how fucking unspeakably painful it would be to walk into a business and be denied service just for being who you are?

So it's easy for heterosexual white girls of mainstream religions to say religious people should be entitled to a certain level of discrimination because reasons. I try to keep an open mind, and I try to have some understanding of that.

But at the end of the day I will ALWAYS fucking stand by the LGBT community like my life depends on it because I also know how bad it feels to be told someone wants no association with me/doesn't want to help me/doesn't like me/doesn't want me around/whatever the fuck else hatefulness because I was fucking born how I was born. AND FUCK THAT. That is an ugly, ugly, ugly world to exist in and it will never be ok.

Anybody who can argue for bigotry after reading that is too fucking hateful to function.

jdluvr06 · March 2015

@novella1186 I almost cried reading that. I never felt I could tell anyone my religion growing up either.

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