strippers and bachelor parties

MadHops21 · April 2015

redoryx said:

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redoryx said:

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MagicInk said:

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sarawifenow said:

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chibiyui said:

MadHops21 said:
So I'm wondering anti-strip club people, what about plays that feature nudity?

I've been in a few plays where I have been butt ass naked on stage. Way more naked then I have ever been swinging around a pole.

Would that acceptable or would you not see those plays or insist your SO not see those plays? Is it just the context of a strip club or is it the (near) naked lady? (I never did full nude, topless only, I know others who work in bikini bars depending on their state laws)
I don't know anyone personally that has modeled for art nude, or starred in a play nude, or anything like that, but I would see it. Me and FI have been to Aruba and I have commented on another chick's ass to him because she was fit and had a nice body, but it's just the strip club that bothers me and the reputation that guys I know give it.

FI was working on a car the other day and me and his buddy were sitting next to the car, all 3 of us talking. Said buddy was talking about some strip club near the Indiana border, saying how FI will go there for his bachelor party and his past experiences with strippers and the sex they've had and so on. I personally don't know anyone that has gone to a strip club without leaving with a chick's number or hooking up with her. Yes, that's prostitution, but that's my experience, hence my feelings towards them.

If I was in another state with different friends, then I would probably feel different and more relaxed with them. I almost guarantee it since I'm fine with sending FI pics of ladies I find attractive or pointing out a sexy lady at the beach. Just not comfortable with strip clubs.
Is it possible that these guys are lying?

Cause, depending on how many guys you know who claim this, I feel like they're probably lying or exaggerating. Unless they are at the worlds sleaziest strip club, no way that many guys are sexing or getting phone numbers from strippers.

.....Also, how many of those phone numbers were actually fake?
Apparently not that many, FI will get sent pics of said strippers in a hotel room with the guys. I guess it's sort of like a game for some of them?

Fi was sent of one pic of one of the strippers on the hotel floor, completely naked, about to perform on it. It was....weird, like a trophy pic or something.

Some of these guys will go to the same strip clubs over and over and become friendly with the people there. I just don't know how many are fake numbers. The fact that they do this and then talk about my FI going makes me queasy. Some of these guys are just dirty.
This is disgusting and I am not talking about the stripper. What your friends are doing is sickening.
As much as I am not one who would want to end or come between my husbands platonic relationships, Those motherfuckers would have to go.

I'm worried how your FI can be friends with such toxic people.
He doesn't so much hang with them anymore. He works with them, but doesn't really see them outside of work unless their car needs to be worked on. Makes me way more comfortable now. They have this whole clique at his job that goes out and gets drunk and go to strip clubs together. Some even come back to work drunk. I'm 23, FI is 25, his friends are around the same age group, albeit higher, but they love spending their money. I don't know how FI didn't get swept in, but he loves saving money and stock market, so I think I chose a winner.

ETA in regards to saving up money for a wedding and home and opening a college fund for future children we will have. He did that on his own, I teared up pretty bad.
Well I'm 28. My brothers are 20 and 22. They'd never take pictures of women they're about to fuck and pass around the pics as trophies because they aren't disgusting misogynists.

What the fuck does money have to do with it? They fucking disrespecting these women. They're misogynistic assholes who think women are just for the taking. Are you say if your FI was more interested in spending money, he'd behave the same way? That's some fucked up shit.
Though I never did say it's because they're young, it's because they're dumb and disgusting. I have other friends ~21 years old and they don't do this, they respect women. So, it's not an age thing but they are not married and in committed relationships and want to be known as "wild" or what the fuck ever he said. I don't agree with it, so I don't know why I'm being thrown under the bus.

If FI was more interested in spending money, he'd be buying cars and motorcycle parts and food. Strip clubs just aren't his thing. Or taking pictures of women without their permission, regardless of clothes or profession. Is that better worded? We do not condone these actions of his coworkers and friends, and he doesn't participate or want to.

I don't think you're being thrown under the bus. I think we are just trying to challenge your idea that this has anything to do with whether or not a woman takes her clothes off on stage and that if your FI were to see a woman dance naked his behavior hence forth could be traced back to being in a strip club.
Like, let's say my SO or your FI cheats on either of us with a stripper. It would be easy to suddenly blame all strippers for that behavior. But did he cheat because she's a stripper or did he cheat and she just happens to be a stripper?

I would never blame said stripper for her profession if FI cheated, I would blame her and her alone. But since I'm surrounded by this stigma of strip clubs, this is how I feel. Like I said before, if I had lived in another area and know better people, I would probably be okay with it. With where I'm at right now, I don't like it. Maybe once we get older and different friends and coworkers, then I'll even go to one. But right now in my life, I can't.

Wait. Hold up, I think you're missing someone else that would need blaming here.

I just said it in sarawifenow's comment about this. Thought it was a given, I was only focusing on said girl's profession. Not the fact that FI would be the one to blame. Sorry, I meant "would blame her and her alone" as in her person, not just her and FI would be scott-free.

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MadHops21 · April 2015

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.

Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.

VulgarGirl · April 2015

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.

Well if those women would put their fucking clothes on the men wouldn't be tempted to act like misogynistic sexual predators.

Ya see Pink, men can't help it. If they see a half naked girl, or girl behaving sexually, or a drunk girl, or a hot girl, or well basically a woman who is not biologically related to them, they can't help but want to fuck her. And more importantly they will fuck her and then take pictures of her and text it to all their friends. And they just can't help that. They are men who are not in committed relationships yet. And like to spend money. And are also in their 20s/late teens. If they were in committed relationships they might not be rapists. Regular fucking keeps the rape at bay.

But all these women are just out parading their pussies around and what are the men supposed to do? Say no? Or not take pictures and text them to their buddies? Treat them like human beings? They can't do that they just aren't able to. It's up to women to cover themselves if they don't want this shit to happen to them. Otherwise, well sweet cheeks, should've become a CPA hmm?

Dreamergirl8812 · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.

And where the fuck did I say strip clubs are the problem?

sarawifenow · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.

FTR I would be totally uncomfortable with that, too.

redoryx · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.

But you are okay with him watching strangers have sex on a fairly regular basis and get off to it. That's where the disconnect is, I think.

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Fran1985 · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.

It is strange honestly. Your fi is jerking off twice a day to a woman he knows (sometimes) but you'd be crushed if he went to a place where they are dancing on a stage. It's a weird line to draw in the sand. And then when you explain it, it's because all your fi friends hookup with strippers, which makes it sound like you can't trust your if at all.

MadHops21 · April 2015

MagicInk said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Well if those women would put their fucking clothes on the men wouldn't be tempted to act like misogynistic sexual predators.

Ya see Pink, men can't help it. If they see a half naked girl, or girl behaving sexually, or a drunk girl, or a hot girl, or well basically a woman who is not biologically related to them, they can't help but want to fuck her. And more importantly they will fuck her and then take pictures of her and text it to all their friends. And they just can't help that. They are men who are not in committed relationships yet. And like to spend money. And are also in their 20s/late teens. If they were in committed relationships they might not be rapists. Regular fucking keeps the rape at bay.

But all these women are just out parading their pussies around and what are the men supposed to do? Say no? Or not take pictures and text them to their buddies? Treat them like human beings? They can't do that they just aren't able to. It's up to women to cover themselves if they don't want this shit to happen to them. Otherwise, well sweet cheeks, should've become a CPA hmm?

Oh man, looks like this is loads of fun...

I'm almost positive I said I do not support these actions, but that's cool, too. You can say I do if you want. It's quoted multiple times in here that I do not support these actions, but if you want to take what I said these guys do as me supporting them, then that's fine. I don't, but whatever floats your boat.

Sorry for telling you why I don't like strip clubs. Thought I'd offer another perspective, but shame on me.

I think this bares repeating, but I do not support the idea that all strippers are awful human beings and strip clubs are only for sleazy people. Not all men are rapist. Not all men are pigs and awful human beings. Not all strippers are prostitutes. Just because a girl is a stripper, does not mean she wants to have sex and have her pictures sent around.

Did I cover all the bases for you? Oh wait, there's more.

Not all young men and men who are not in committed relationships are rapists. Men don't need to rape to fuck. Men can help it.

Okay, now did I get it all? Everything is getting taken out of context. I was just telling my experience with FI's friends/coworkers going out to strip clubs, but shame shame shame.

MadHops21 · April 2015

Dreamergirl8812 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
And where the fuck did I say strip clubs are the problem?

I was quoting pink, not you dreamer.

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MadHops21 · April 2015

pinkrevenge said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.

Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.

Dreamergirl8812 · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

Dreamergirl8812 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
And where the fuck did I say strip clubs are the problem?
I was quoting pink, not you dreamer.

Oops, I didn't mean to quote you. I just wanted someone to find a quote from me saying strip clubs were the problem. Hasn't happened yet....

VulgarGirl · April 2015

@Madhops21, darling. It's bigger than you. It's the way society as whole views women. We are allowed to be used up and tossed aside. Especially if we are sex workers. We are violated and mistreated and it is ok because we are asking for it.

Next time one of rapists your FI has to associate with sends him a picture of a girl he's about to fuck, have him call the cops and report the photo. Revenge porn is being prosecuted in a lot of states now. Have your FI actually tell these rapists that what they're doing is wrong and he wants no part of it and to stop talking to him about it. Have your FI report to the boss that these rapists are bragging about their rape.

Also, start calling them what they are. Sexual predators and rapists. Not "men who want to sow the wild oats". They are rapists. Don't suprised when they end up on the evening news after raping some nice girl who wouldn't say yes.

MadHops21 · April 2015

pinkrevenge said:
If your relationship isn't into stripping or porn, fine. I don't really see the problem, but it works for you.

But this is past that. This is saying one set of really intimate, kind of over-the-top actions is okay, but a less-intimate thing is not, and the reason is because boys will be boys, or something damn close to that effect.

I...never said that boys will be boys...where is this coming from? I'm honestly confused how so many people are thinking I'm saying it's okay for the guys to do this. I really don't know how many times I can say that I think it's completely wrong, and this is where my uncomfortableness comes from for strip clubs.

If I can do it, then I'd be okay with FI doing it. I masturbate, so I find it okay with FI masturbating. I don't like strip clubs, so if I went to a strip club, then FI could, and I don't feel comfortable with it. I guess it's a weird line to draw, but I'd rather have him see sex on a screen than see sexual and naked girls in person.

ETA for me, masturbation isn't that intimate, while seeing another naked girl in person is. Nakedness for us is reserved for each other, that's intimate, jacking his meat is his own personal thing. I guess I got it backwards somewhere along the line and it stuck.

climbingsingle · April 2015

It's fine to not like strip clubs. They're not for everyone. That's OK. But to say your FI watches porn twice a day and that you'd maybe even like strip clubs if you knew better people - that doesn't make sense, girl.

beethery · April 2015

oh for the love of god.

uuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh what a fucking shitshow

VulgarGirl · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.

Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.

Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

MadHops21 · April 2015

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.

Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!

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Fran1985 · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
If your relationship isn't into stripping or porn, fine. I don't really see the problem, but it works for you.

But this is past that. This is saying one set of really intimate, kind of over-the-top actions is okay, but a less-intimate thing is not, and the reason is because boys will be boys, or something damn close to that effect.
I...never said that boys will be boys...where is this coming from? I'm honestly confused how so many people are thinking I'm saying it's okay for the guys to do this. I really don't know how many times I can say that I think it's completely wrong, and this is where my uncomfortableness comes from for strip clubs.

If I can do it, then I'd be okay with FI doing it. I masturbate, so I find it okay with FI masturbating. I don't like strip clubs, so if I went to a strip club, then FI could, and I don't feel comfortable with it. I guess it's a weird line to draw, but I'd rather have him see sex on a screen than see sexual and naked girls in person.

ETA for me, masturbation isn't that intimate, while seeing another naked girl in person is. Nakedness for us is reserved for each other, that's intimate, jacking his meat is his own personal thing. I guess I got it backwards somewhere along the line and it stuck.

I'm on mobile so imagine me holding the part where you said that's where you are uncomfortable around strip clubs. People are confused because they are two very unrelated things. It's like you saying my fiancé has friends that take naked pictures of women without their consent, so he knows id be crushed if he ever ate pizza.

VulgarGirl · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.
Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!

No. Fucking slutty isn't better. Fucking hell.

They're choosing to have sex. That doesn't make them slutty, or dirty, or a whore, or anything else. It just makes them choosing to have sex.

I don't care how many fucking guys or women they fuck. You don't fucking call them dirty and slutty for fucking around. Fucking hell. It always amazes when I meet a woman who can hate other women so much.

beethery · April 2015

MagicInk said:

Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

THIS ALL FUCKING DAY. If you want to fuck someone, go on ahead and do it if they want to as well.

REGARDLESS. OF. YOUR. PROFESSION.

This thread is making me have an aneurysm as a former stripper. So much fuck off to be had. So much.

redoryx · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.
Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THIS SHIT?

Define "slutty" for me. I spent my 20s choosing to sleep with multiple men, often at the same time. Sometimes pictures were taken. Sometimes video. Does that make me a slut?

MadHops21 · April 2015

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.
Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.
Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!

No. Fucking slutty isn't better. Fucking hell.

They're choosing to have sex. That doesn't make them slutty, or dirty, or a whore, or anything else. It just makes them choosing to have sex.

I don't care how many fucking guys or women they fuck. You don't fucking call them dirty and slutty for fucking around. Fucking hell. It always amazes when I meet a woman who can hate other women so much.

Shameshameshame. Sorry ladies, my bad. I don't know what to call the guy besides creep, so slut came into play. So much swearing, sorry I'm causing so much anger. I just know a lot of women who are horrible, but that's another thread and aneurysm. Doesn't mean having sex makes you a slut, poor choice of word and I'll just shove my foot further down into my mouth for that. My bad, guys, but I just don't like strip clubs for me and FI right now.

Kahlyla · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.
Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.

Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!

No. Just no. I don't even... who are we even talking about here? Who is the slutty, dirty girl and what did she ever do to you? What is the argument you're trying to make?

climbingsingle · April 2015

I'm so glad that has finally turned to slut shaming and #notallmen.

doeydo · April 2015

MagicInk said:
So I'm wondering anti-strip club people, what about plays that feature nudity?

I've been in a few plays where I have been butt ass naked on stage. Way more naked then I have ever been swinging around a pole.

Would that acceptable or would you not see those plays or insist your SO not see those plays? Is it just the context of a strip club or is it the (near) naked lady? (I never did full nude, topless only, I know others who work in bikini bars depending on their state laws)

To me, I'd be fine with plays that have nudity because it is in a nonsexual context. The point of a strip club is basically to go and get turned on by sexy naked/almost naked people.

Fran1985 · April 2015

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MagicInk said:

MadHops21 said:

MadHops21 said:

pinkrevenge said:
It's really telling that we now have multiple PP's in this thread who know misogynistic sexual predators and think strip clubs are the problem.

But also, the whole "It's so cute how my FI befriended a porn star and then watched her movies and spanks off to porn twice a day is normal but a lady dancing 6 ft away is NOT" has me scratching my head something really fierce. I just don't get the mindset. Can't follow it.
Nice TL;DR version, but sorry you can't follow. I didn't realize I said the coworkers and friends weren't the ones to blame, good to know. And I didn't realize that I hadn't said yet that strip clubs would be okay if I knew different people, strange, thought I did.

It's cute? When was it cute? Masturbation isn't normal? I'm sorry I'm uncomfortable with having a girl thrust her pussy at my FI's face. It's strange that I'm not comfortable with that.

I'm sorry again that you cannot follow this logic, but it's how I feel. But please, go on and make fun of how I feel.
I wasn't making fun of it, I genuinely DO NOT COMPREHEND IT. Because friending a chick online and then masturbating to her is, to me, WAY more intimate then a random woman who does not want to fuck your FI dancing several feet away with a no-touchey rule. And again, you're saying strip clubs would be okay if you knew other people, but then, like, you don't associate with those people because gross but also strip clubs are still not okay. It makes no sense. You're still absolutely blaming the dancers for the actions of dudes. And the ones you don't blame (porn stars) you think don't count because you don't even see them as people. The mental gymnastics are dizzying, I don't know how you manage it.

But if you want to flounce out, you go right ahead. It's not making fun of you to question how the heck you're doing these mental somersaults.
Oh my lord, I'm not blaming the dancers. I have never blamed the dancers. Not once did I blame the dancer for her profession for doing any of her actions. The guys are creeps and disgusting, some girls are just dirty by nature, not because of her profession. He never actually talked to said porn star, just friended her on MS. Never met her once or talked to her or anything.
Consenting to sex isn't dirty. Consenting to sex with multiple partners isn't dirty. Consent isn't dirty. I don't even understand what that statement means.
Some girls are just..slutty? Is that better? Slutty by choice, not because their picture was taken by a guy and was spread around without her consent?

beethery I've been waiting for you to pop up!
No. Fucking slutty isn't better. Fucking hell.

They're choosing to have sex. That doesn't make them slutty, or dirty, or a whore, or anything else. It just makes them choosing to have sex.

I don't care how many fucking guys or women they fuck. You don't fucking call them dirty and slutty for fucking around. Fucking hell. It always amazes when I meet a woman who can hate other women so much.

Shameshameshame. Sorry ladies, my bad. I don't know what to call the guy besides creep, so slut came into play. So much swearing, sorry I'm causing so much anger. I just know a lot of women who are horrible, but that's another thread and aneurysm. Doesn't mean having sex makes you a slut, poor choice of word and I'll just shove my foot further down into my mouth for that. My bad, guys, but I just don't like strip clubs for me and FI right now.

Sounds like you know a lot of dudes that are horrible.

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