Spinoff: Too Many Vaccines?

banana468 · June 2015

I think the shingles vax is only approved for those 50 and over. So the tough part is if you're under 50, you may not be able to get it.

photokitty · June 2015

My point was that having a chicken pox vaccine and never getting chicken pox would more reduced shingles risk, since your get pox before you get shingles. It is approved for under 50, but not widely prescribed until 60.

According to the CDC:

Shingles vaccine (Zostavax®) reduces the risk of developing shingles and the long-term pain from post-herpetic neuralgia (PHN) caused shingles. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends shingles vaccine for people aged 60 years and older. Even people who have had shingles can receive the vaccine to help prevent future occurrences of the disease.

Your risk for developing shingles increases as you get older. The Shingles Prevention Study found that shingles vaccine significantly reduced disease people aged in 60 years and older.

Shingles vaccine is available by prescription from a healthcare professional. It can be given in doctor's office and pharmacies. Talk with your healthcare professional if you have questions about shingles vaccine.

Shingles vaccine is approved by FDA for people aged 50 years and older. However, CDC does not have a recommendation for routine use of shingles vaccine in people aged 50 through 59 years old. Adults aged 50 through 59 years who have questions about the shingles vaccine should discuss the risks and benefits with a health care provider. There are no long-term studies showing how long the vaccine is effective in 50 to 59 year olds. In adults vaccinated at age 60 years or older, protection from the vaccine decreases within the first 5 years after vaccination. Protection beyond 5 years is uncertain; therefore, adults receiving the vaccine before age 60 years might not be protected when their risks for shingles and its complications are greatest.

lyndausvi · June 2015

artbyallie said:

l9i said:

The whole idea that there is even an anti-vax movement drives me INSANE. I will gladly take anti vaccine that will keep me healthy.

Growing up I had all the normal, required vaccines but didn't get the optional ones like the hepatitis series, etc. Going to college and living in the dorms I had to have some of those vaccines that weren't required for public grade school (I think just chicken pox, mmr, and tetanus) and boosters. They listed required and recommended vaccines for living in the dorm. I think for me it totaled about 12+ vaccines over the course of the next year since many were series vaccines. I think before that I was just naive to what all I could protect myself against because I only got vaccines when my parents or doctor told me.

I agree completely that there should be more vaccines and that eventually we will see new vaccine developments. Our future children will be vaccinated, no questions asked.

Huh. Really? The public schools I went to required all the Hep vaccines as well as tetanus, MMR, etc. They now require the combination Dtap/TDap vax/booster not only for students but for all teachers and subs because I had to get the booster when I got certified to substitute. I guess different times and/or different area. The only one I was missing when I went to college was meningitis, and so I went when they were giving it out on campus. Had a terrible reaction with flu-like symptoms for days, but that's still better than the horrible death I could've had from the disease.

from what I've read the CDC didn't start recommending infants having it until 1991. With schools mandating a few years later.

I was out of HS then and never got it. I do not even recall a doctor offering it to me either.

levioosa · June 2015

I'm sure you guys know the issue of vaccines makes me ragey. I don't mind alternative scheduling, but if you are able to vaccinate and you don't, you're a pretty shitty person. These diseases are completely preventable (some were even nearing eradication), and surprise! as soon as people stopped vaccinating, they started to come back. Every adult should also get their titers done, both for herd immunity, and their own safety.

The argument that diseases "aren't that bad," or "allow you to build natural immunity" are so stupid. Each and every disease that we have a vaccine for is at the very least painful, and at the worst debilitating and fatal. I wish people actually knew how vaccines worked. It is natural immunity. Vaccines allow your body to build up that immunity without all of the fun rashes, scarred hearts, pimpled skin, blindness, retardation, and death. But you know, you should totes have a chicken pox party where your child will not only have the potential to end up blind and deaf (or dead), but where they will live with painful nerve pain possibly for the rest of their life if they develop shingles. SO just got shingles a few months ago. He was in so much pain, and there was nothing I could do for him. They don't even have meds that deal with that level of nerve pain.

So no, there are not "too many vaccines." It's not a ploy by Big Pharma. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about mental health and meds? How about the abuse that has been wrought against the mentally ill over the last century because of drug sales? Because if you want to go after "Big Pharma" that has a lot more credence than preventing fully documented and deadly diseases.

l9i · June 2015

lyndausvi said:

artbyallie said:

l9i said:

The whole idea that there is even an anti-vax movement drives me INSANE. I will gladly take anti vaccine that will keep me healthy.

Growing up I had all the normal, required vaccines but didn't get the optional ones like the hepatitis series, etc. Going to college and living in the dorms I had to have some of those vaccines that weren't required for public grade school (I think just chicken pox, mmr, and tetanus) and boosters. They listed required and recommended vaccines for living in the dorm. I think for me it totaled about 12+ vaccines over the course of the next year since many were series vaccines. I think before that I was just naive to what all I could protect myself against because I only got vaccines when my parents or doctor told me.

I agree completely that there should be more vaccines and that eventually we will see new vaccine developments. Our future children will be vaccinated, no questions asked.

Huh. Really? The public schools I went to required all the Hep vaccines as well as tetanus, MMR, etc. They now require the combination Dtap/TDap vax/booster not only for students but for all teachers and subs because I had to get the booster when I got certified to substitute. I guess different times and/or different area. The only one I was missing when I went to college was meningitis, and so I went when they were giving it out on campus. Had a terrible reaction with flu-like symptoms for days, but that's still better than the horrible death I could've had from the disease.

from what I've read the CDC didn't start recommending infants having it until 1991. With schools mandating a few years later.

I was out of HS then and never got it. I do not even recall a doctor offering it to me either.

I don't know what to tell you, I just know it wasn't required or I would've had it... it would've been during the 90s so perhaps it just wasn't required yet where I was at? Either way I've got them all now!

artbyallie · June 2015

lyndausvi said:

artbyallie said:

l9i said:

The whole idea that there is even an anti-vax movement drives me INSANE. I will gladly take anti vaccine that will keep me healthy.

Growing up I had all the normal, required vaccines but didn't get the optional ones like the hepatitis series, etc. Going to college and living in the dorms I had to have some of those vaccines that weren't required for public grade school (I think just chicken pox, mmr, and tetanus) and boosters. They listed required and recommended vaccines for living in the dorm. I think for me it totaled about 12+ vaccines over the course of the next year since many were series vaccines. I think before that I was just naive to what all I could protect myself against because I only got vaccines when my parents or doctor told me.

I agree completely that there should be more vaccines and that eventually we will see new vaccine developments. Our future children will be vaccinated, no questions asked.

Huh. Really? The public schools I went to required all the Hep vaccines as well as tetanus, MMR, etc. They now require the combination Dtap/TDap vax/booster not only for students but for all teachers and subs because I had to get the booster when I got certified to substitute. I guess different times and/or different area. The only one I was missing when I went to college was meningitis, and so I went when they were giving it out on campus. Had a terrible reaction with flu-like symptoms for days, but that's still better than the horrible death I could've had from the disease.

from what I've read the CDC didn't start recommending infants having it until 1991. With schools mandating a few years later.

I was out of HS then and never got it. I do not even recall a doctor offering it to me either.

I figured it might be something along those lines, since I started school in 1992. It's funny; usually these boards make me feel old, not young.

ETA: Got at least one of the Hep series in middle school. B, I think? I only remember because my aunt was working at the same school then and I had to have her come hold my hand when I got the shots.

banana468 · June 2015

photokitty said:

My point was that having a chicken pox vaccine and never getting chicken pox would more reduced shingles risk, since your get pox before you get shingles. It is approved for under 50, but not widely prescribed until 60.

According to the CDC:
Shingles vaccine (Zostavax®) reduces the risk of developing shingles and the long-term pain from post-herpetic neuralgia (PHN) caused shingles. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends shingles vaccine for people aged 60 years and older. Even people who have had shingles can receive the vaccine to help prevent future occurrences of the disease.
Your risk for developing shingles increases as you get older. The Shingles Prevention Study found that shingles vaccine significantly reduced disease people aged in 60 years and older.
Shingles vaccine is available by prescription from a healthcare professional. It can be given in doctor's office and pharmacies. Talk with your healthcare professional if you have questions about shingles vaccine.
Shingles vaccine is approved by FDA for people aged 50 years and older. However, CDC does not have a recommendation for routine use of shingles vaccine in people aged 50 through 59 years old. Adults aged 50 through 59 years who have questions about the shingles vaccine should discuss the risks and benefits with a health care provider. There are no long-term studies showing how long the vaccine is effective in 50 to 59 year olds. In adults vaccinated at age 60 years or older, protection from the vaccine decreases within the first 5 years after vaccination. Protection beyond 5 years is uncertain; therefore, adults receiving the vaccine before age 60 years might not be protected when their risks for shingles and its complications are greatest.

That's great info. DH brought it up to his Dr. after he had shingles and it wasn't recommended for him.

lyndausvi · June 2015

l9i said:

lyndausvi said:

artbyallie said:

l9i said:

The whole idea that there is even an anti-vax movement drives me INSANE. I will gladly take anti vaccine that will keep me healthy.

Growing up I had all the normal, required vaccines but didn't get the optional ones like the hepatitis series, etc. Going to college and living in the dorms I had to have some of those vaccines that weren't required for public grade school (I think just chicken pox, mmr, and tetanus) and boosters. They listed required and recommended vaccines for living in the dorm. I think for me it totaled about 12+ vaccines over the course of the next year since many were series vaccines. I think before that I was just naive to what all I could protect myself against because I only got vaccines when my parents or doctor told me.

I agree completely that there should be more vaccines and that eventually we will see new vaccine developments. Our future children will be vaccinated, no questions asked.

Huh. Really? The public schools I went to required all the Hep vaccines as well as tetanus, MMR, etc. They now require the combination Dtap/TDap vax/booster not only for students but for all teachers and subs because I had to get the booster when I got certified to substitute. I guess different times and/or different area. The only one I was missing when I went to college was meningitis, and so I went when they were giving it out on campus. Had a terrible reaction with flu-like symptoms for days, but that's still better than the horrible death I could've had from the disease.

from what I've read the CDC didn't start recommending infants having it until 1991. With schools mandating a few years later.

I was out of HS then and never got it. I do not even recall a doctor offering it to me either.

I don't know what to tell you, I just know it wasn't required or I would've had it... it would've been during the 90s so perhaps it just wasn't required yet where I was at? Either way I've got them all now!

yeah, that was kind-of my point.

A lot of the younger people do not know a world without certain vaccines. Just pointing out that some of these vaccines are actually fairly new. States work at different paces. When some vaccines come on board it would not be unusual for 2 schools in different parts of the country having different requirements.

These things take time to roll-out nationwide.

PrettyGirlLost · June 2015

banana468 said:

I think the shingles vax is only approved for those 50 and over. So the tough part is if you're under 50, you may not be able to get it.

Oh shit, really?

I was going to ask my PCP for it because I have ZERO desire to ever experience shingles, and I contracted chicken pox the good, old fashioned way. There was no vaccine at the time, so I can have a shingles outbreak.

My sister has had shingles twice now, which is unheard of for someone her age- she's only 25. The 1st time she had a shingles outbreak she was a pre-teen, and it took everyone about a month to figure out WTF was going on because people that young don't typically ever get shingles. She also had the worst case of shingles ever reported in our area ><

Then about 6 years ago she had another outbreak.

She was in hell both times. No thanks.

NFLDBride15 · June 2015

@lyndausvi: I completely agree with your thoughts on adult boosters. When I was growing up, doctors never ever said to me, "oh, hey, you should probably get a more up-to-date vaccine against 'x' ". Lo and behold, there wound up being a Whooping Cough epidemic and I was unlucky enough to catch it because my vaccine has just expired. Not a fun experience- I still cough like a damn foghorn every time I get a cold, and that's over 15 years later.

If I was able to have kids, I would get them vaccinated- including the chicken pox vaccine. Sure, a lot of cases are mild, but some cases can be serious. I was allergic to mine, and on top of the pox, I had great big, itchy welts for days. I was so mad at the kid who I think gave me the virus

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