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Well, that was a real shitshow

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I'm sad, y'all.  Not rending my garments, sobbing in the street sad, but more sad than angry or indignant or outraged.  Just really sad.

I woke up at 3:30 and checked my phone.  I woke DH up to tell him.  He didn't believe me at first.  We made it until about 10:30 and then decided to turn in when so many states were too close to call. 

Wooz is not pleased.  We did our electoral maps, which were kind of sad, lying on the coffee table this morning.  We put the kids to bed, and then when they called New York, I tiptoed upstairs to tell her.  She was almost asleep, and did that sweet, eyes-closed, sleepy kid smile, like she's already dreaming.  So that's something good I can remember.  DH did end up watching the returns with me once the kids were in bed.

I think the Wooz part is the worst part for me.  I've lived through Bush v. Gore, and Bush v. Kerry, although I think Dubya was a freaking pro compared to the current president-elect.  I'll live through this too.  But I've been picturing getting her up for school this morning and saying "Hillary won!" and that's not how it ended up playing out.  I wanted her to remember this as her first election, coloring in the states with me, watching them call the states for each candidate.  (She was so disappointed when they called Indiana and Kentucky for Trump, and I tried to explain to her that everyone pretty much expected that, no worries.)  And for her to remember almost being asleep when her mom tiptoed in to tell her about New York, and waking up the next day to find out that her candidate had won.

Lots of teachable moments coming up, I guess.  And s/o, I will say I have a second grader who is well-versed in the electoral college, so that's something.  (DH got home shortly before they called Arkansas, which is where he's from.  When they announced it, Wooz said "I don't care, they only have like 6 or 8 electoral votes and California has 55." :) ) 

At any rate, s/o kids, that's the good thing: no time for a pity party, because there are little people who need to eat breakfast and get dressed and get to school.  I was sort of thankful for not having too much time to pause and reflect first thing this morning.

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  • HeffalumpHeffalump member
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    mrsconn23 said:
    I'm sad and angry.  I could throw things. I was always #nevertrump.  

    The house and the senate are also taken over by repubs. Every major contest in my state went red.  And my friend lost her school board race.  

    Fuck all of this. 

    The only, only, only thing I can think about right now is how he's going to manage actually having to lead and be accountable for words and actions.  And how he's not going to be able to access his wealth and opulence while in the white house.  It's going to be a shit show trainwreck to watch.  SNL  and pretty much every comedian is going to have a field day. 


    Yep.  I was hopeful for the Senate, but nope.  Big fat nope.  My candidate lost.  The governor's race is still too close to call here, as is attorney general.  Keep a good thought, because the two guys who were instrumental in getting HB2 passed are <this> close to being tossed out of office.  Trump won my county basically 2 to 1 over Clinton.  (Fun fact: misc. write-ins got almost 10x as many votes as Jill Stein in my county.)

    On a slightly more positive note, our community college, library, and public school bond referendums (referenda?) all passed by a wide margin.  So that's something.

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    It's hard for me to get my head around and I can't imagine trying to explain to kids.  Heff is right, lots of teachable moments, for kids and adults.
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    Oh and fuck, fuck, FUCK our electoral college system.  I've never been a fan. 
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    glasgowtolondon said:
    Ya know what really interests me? What do the 3rd party voters think of the results? If that was your choice of vote you had to be okay with a Trump presidency, right? I've heard the whole 'this is the year to make headway with a 3 party system', which fine okay, sure. But ultimately you had to know your candidate would not win so be comfortable with either Trump or Clinton.

    I feel for you guys. It's such a bitter pill to swallow. All I can say is that there will come a point where you will be less angry, can move forward, and just hope as hard as you can that it will either be all for the best in the end or that it won't be as bad as you fear. For me it really helped to get involved in local activism. I decided I could no longer sit by and watch as we were all dragged to the right. Helps me feel less impotent I guess  :/


    This is just one person, but:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/09/nevertrumpers_are_not_to_blame_for_this.html

    "Donald Trump is our president, and I’m horrified. As an Ohio Republican who couldn’t bring myself to vote for my party’s nominee or Hillary Clinton, I thought I would wake up annoyed by the smugness of the Clinton supporters celebrating her victory. Instead I am going to bed sickened."

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    I'm sick this morning and my eyes are swollen from crying.  Having a GOP President and legislature is a really scary reality when you have a disabled but independent parent.  Fortunately, FI is a god send and when I woke up this morning, he was like game planning for worst case scenarios.

    I'm going to have to swear off FB if I see one more "see Trump wasn't racist because I don't understand institutional racism and my one black friend proves I'm not in the KKK yay Trump" post.  

    I fundamentally and philosophically disagree with the GOP, but in general I respect them.  That is not what we're facing today.

    And now we have Pence too....ugh.


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    mrsconn23 said:
    Oh and fuck, fuck, FUCK our electoral college system.  I've never been a fan. 


    It will be interesting to see where the popular vote ends up.  Right now, MSNBC has Clinton ahead 59,180,209 to 59,042,671, but who knows where it will end up by the time they count that last vote.

    ETA (9:10 a.m.): they are now reporting the popular vote as 59,215,083 for Clinton, 59,062,960 for Trump.

    This has got to be galling if you're Hillary.  I mean, the electoral college is as old as it gets, so it's not like it's a surprise--everyone knew the game going in.  But to sit and watch votes continue to come in for you after the other guy has already won...I do not envy her right now.

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    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
                 
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    glasgowtolondon said:
    Ya know what really interests me? What do the 3rd party voters think of the results? If that was your choice of vote you had to be okay with a Trump presidency, right? I've heard the whole 'this is the year to make headway with a 3 party system', which fine okay, sure. But ultimately you had to know your candidate would not win so be comfortable with either Trump or Clinton.

    I feel for you guys. It's such a bitter pill to swallow. All I can say is that there will come a point where you will be less angry, can move forward, and just hope as hard as you can that it will either be all for the best in the end or that it won't be as bad as you fear. For me it really helped to get involved in local activism. I decided I could no longer sit by and watch as we were all dragged to the right. Helps me feel less impotent I guess  :/
    To the bolded, I think it also factors into where someone lives. My state, for example, with the VP candidate on the ballot, was pretty much guaranteed to go Republican. With the exception of 2008 with Obama I think we've gone Republican for a long, long time - and it went back to Republican in the last election for Obama's 2nd term so it showed that it shifted back. All of that to say, I think there are still a lot of Republicans in this state who didn't support Trump, yet also didn't support Clinton, so 3rd party was their way of choosing because they didn't want to vote for either major party candidate.

    Trump had 57% of vote, Clinton 38%, and Johnson 5% (our ballot didn't have any of the other 3rd party candidates on it though there was a write in option) so even if all of those 3rd party voters chose Clinton she still would have lost here. In other states where things were closer perhaps it makes a bigger difference. 
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    mrsconn23 said:
    I'm sad and angry.  I could throw things. I was always #nevertrump.  

    The house and the senate are also taken over by repubs. Every major contest in my state went red.  And my friend lost her school board race.  

    I was very surprised by a couple of our races. I thought Gregg had been steadily leading in the polls so I was surprised he lost, though maybe I hadn't paid enough attention. And then I figured Bayh would win by name recognition more than anything, although I suspect in some cases it may have been more about which party would have control in congress as opposed to a specific candidate
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    I'm checking myself in to the hospital. No, I'm not being dramatic.
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    glasgowtolondon said:
    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 
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    OurWildKingdom said:
    I'm checking myself in to the hospital. No, I'm not being dramatic.
    Please be safe.
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    charlotte989875 said:

    glasgowtolondon said:
    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 
    The difference between Trump and Clinton in Michigan is about the same number of votes as what the Constitution party received.  Combined, Johnson and Stein brought in 13 times that many votes.  Yes, third party candidates changed this election.

    Weld, the Libertarian VP nominee actually encouraged his supporters in Michigan to vote for HRC instead.
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    charlotte989875 said:

    glasgowtolondon said:
    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 


    This was me. I must be naïve but I never in a million years thought he'd beat her. I voted third party. But, I also live in a basically guaranteed blue state. If I lived in a swing state, I would have been really really torn. I think I would have voted for Hillary to cancel out a Trump vote. Because voting for an actual breathing pile of shit is worse than disagreeing with a few points.

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    In more local news, Roy Cooper is now up by 4500 votes (out of 4.7 million) in the governor's race, after all precincts have reported in.

    "Many voters saw the race as a referendum on HB2, the so-called “bathroom bill” that sparked a national backlash. Exit polls reported by ABC News showed that 66 percent of North Carolina voters oppose HB2 while only 29 percent support it."

    November 09, 2016 - 09:22AM ET
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    North Carolina - 2704 of 2704 Precincts Reporting - 100%
    NamePartyVotesVote %
    Cooper, RoyDem2,281,15549%
    McCrory, Pat (i)GOP2,276,38349%
    Cecil, LonLib101,0282%


     

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    kvruns said:
    To the bolded, I think it also factors into where someone lives. My state, for example, with the VP candidate on the ballot, was pretty much guaranteed to go Republican. With the exception of 2008 with Obama I think we've gone Republican for a long, long time - and it went back to Republican in the last election for Obama's 2nd term so it showed that it shifted back. All of that to say, I think there are still a lot of Republicans in this state who didn't support Trump, yet also didn't support Clinton, so 3rd party was their way of choosing because they didn't want to vote for either major party candidate.

    Trump had 57% of vote, Clinton 38%, and Johnson 5% (our ballot didn't have any of the other 3rd party candidates on it though there was a write in option) so even if all of those 3rd party voters chose Clinton she still would have lost here. In other states where things were closer perhaps it makes a bigger difference. 
    That is exactly why I voted for Johnson. However, my values more closely aligned with his and I knew going in that my vote wasn't going to make a difference but I was okay with that. I'm surprised by the outcome of the election. I really didn't see it going the way it did, but like your state, Trump won Oklahoma by a huge margin. Trump - 65%, Clinton - 29%, and Johnson - 6%.

    I will say that I'm slightly disappointed that Johnson didn't get more than 3.2% nationwide. I feel like if all the people who only voted for one candidate to keep the other out of office and all the people who felt they were voting for the lesser of two evils had voted Johnson, he'd have had a better shot. 

    I woke up to a lot of pissed off people this morning because an education bill didn't pass. I feel bad, but I voted no simply because it's a permanent 1% sales tax for a one time raise of $5,000 for teachers. It would have made our sales tax one of the highest in the country and many argued that it was a regressive tax. Too many times, we citizens of Oklahoma have seen our legislature rob our education fund for other things. When we voted for the lottery and Indian Casino gaming, we were told that was going to solve all of our education funding problems but they hid the fact that they were removing other sources of funding so it actually made our problem worse. Our governor gives tax breaks to the O&G industry that if they were removed, would fully fund our education system. Also, we had enough signatures to get medical marijuana to be put on the ballot, but our Attorney General immediately started making changes to the proposed bill and now the ACLU may get involved. Looking at Colorado and what the devil's lettuce has done for them...I'm all for it. 
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    Attorney general is still really close, too.

    Name     PartyVotesVote %
    Stein, JoshDem2,276,55350%
    Newton, BuckGOP2,256,02550%
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    I'm just sad.  Quite frankly, even if HRC had won, I still would have been a bit sad that it had even been so close.

    I try not to ever be "that" person who bad mouths people's political views.  But both my H and I are in a state of shock that someone so coarse and unqualified actually won.  I'm disappointed in my country.  I'm disappointed in the hate and divisiveness that seems to be getting worse, not better.  To an extent, both sides are at fault.  But still, hate was Trump's platform, and hate won.

    On a side note, of another reason Trump is a bad choice, his trophy wife.  First Ladies are the unsung heroes who have an enormous responsibility with zero pay.  Over the last few decades, we've had strong women as First Ladies who have made great strides for their pet, but admirable, causes.

    And who is about to come on deck?  OMG.  A woman who struggles speaking English and doesn't seem to ever have an individual thought.  Who doesn't even understand American culture because she spends her life in a gilded cage.  Literally.  If you saw the interview in their NYC apartment, every surface is gilded.  Granted, I don't know much about her.  Perhaps I'm being unfair.  But that's the strong impression I've had so far.

    Apparently immigration is okay when it's white, good looking European women.  Do I have that about right, Trump?

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    ShesSoCold said:
    charlotte989875 said:

    glasgowtolondon said:
    Hmmm. Annoyed by smug democratic voters or sickened by President Trump. I guess I'd rather handle a smug bastard at the office than someone in power who sickens me, but she's happy with her vote so I guess she can't be that bothered. 
    No one thought she'd actually lose democratic strongholds like Michigan and Wisconsin. Even Pennsylvania is a big surprise. These aren't typically swing states. My speculation is that third party voters didn't expect her to lose so they could protest vote and not have to worry about a Trump victory. We won't know until we get all the polling data in but I have a hunch that's part of it. 


    This was me. I must be naïve but I never in a million years thought he'd beat her. I voted third party. But, I also live in a basically guaranteed blue state. If I lived in a swing state, I would have been really really torn. I think I would have voted for Hillary to cancel out a Trump vote. Because voting for an actual breathing pile of shit is worse than disagreeing with a few points.

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    This. The bolded. All of it. My state is pretty much guaranteed red no matter what. I voted 3rd party as well, not because I was "okay with a Trump presidency", but because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump and it wouldn't have mattered if I voted HRC or Johnson. Either way, my vote wouldn't have "counted" because of the stupid electoral college.

    So, Canadian Knotties, ready for a bunch of new neighbors?


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    I'm just numb this morning and don't even know what to think.
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    My friend who has a background in politics (was on the Mitch Daniels campaign for gov of IN and worked as a BMV lobbyist) said that she thinks McConnell and Ryan will find a way to impeach him (tax evasion is most likely, but pick a violation, any violation).  That does mean Pence is prez, but one can hope that the dog and pony show of an impeachment can take up most of the 4 years (because, hello...The last 2 is going to be campaigning for re-election (Trump) or to stay elected (Pence)) and then they don't have time for as much fuckery?  

    Also, love her or hate her...Ivanka Trump is pretty smart and a moderate, politically, more than anything.  One can only hope she can be a good influence on her father for the betterment of the US (and minorities, women, etc). 

    I'm trying to find silver linings here, y'all.  I know it's polishing a turd, but a turd is what we have and I will try to spit-shine that shit.  ;) 
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    I can't even begin to put into words how all of this is making me feel.  It wasn't so much Trump winning that upset me, but that the GOP swept everything on the Federal Level and many of the seats here on the State and Local levels too...

    I think the salt in the wound is that the vacant seat on the Supreme Court that should have been filled by Obama is now going to be filled by the GOP nomination...its just sad and a bit scary too.  As a woman who is planning to TTC soon I am concerned with the restrictive legislature on abortions even for medically necessary reasons...I am a working woman who is tired of the wage gap and the fact that our state minimum wage is still at $7.25 an hour...as a person I am sad for all the members of LGBQT communities, all the minorities, and all of the people that are of a different religion...And this list goes on.

    But ultimately I am just saddened that this person who has openly spoken against so many different groups was voted into office.  I am disgusted that it was ok to elect someone who openly talked about grabbing women by the genitals and judging their looks.  I am afraid of how the economy and the rest of the World is going to react to this. 

    Really this just sucks right now, and I hope it gets better for everyone but I just don't know yet.

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