I judge / unpop ops

Blueyed228 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : We got the good ol' wooden spoon. She broke one on my middle sister's butt for calling my oldest sister a bitch when they were in elementary school. The same spoon she used to stir the Hamburger Helper with, she'd crack across our butts/backs of our legs for being the little terrors that we were. There were five of us, so I have no idea how she kept her sanity. What's funny is the wooden spoon incidents didn't stick with me the way it did when my mom smacked me on the mouth for sassing her in the car when I was 13. <strong><u>That shut me right up. I was speechless, I just sat there thinking "My mom just smacked me!".</u></strong>
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]

Ha! Yup.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

My mom smacked me in the mouth one time. She spanked us all many times, and it sucked, but I look back on the spankings differently than I do that slap. The spankings I can see were used to teach us respect. The slap, I was pretty much humiliated. I still get pissed thinking about it.

musicalsunlight · January 2012

Apparently I was spanked when I misbehaved when I was little. It must have not had a traumatic effect on me since I don't even remember it (my mom told me later). I'm pretty "meh" on occasional spanks.

dmiller9274 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]There was a woman here who couldn't have children so she decided to adopt. She ended up adopting a Native baby. The reserves here had a hissy fit and demanded the baby be taken away from her because she was white and the baby wouldn't grow up "Native enough".
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]
The summer before my 6th grade year, my parents decided to do a month long, drive around the US, Griswald type vacation. We were somewhere out west at a rest area and this Native American family was selling turquoise jewelry. I picked up a necklace and the woman put it on me, telling me how beautiful it looked. My mom, sister and I were all picking out stuff to buy and my pale skin, red headed father came waltzing out of the rest area. She yanked the necklace off of me and told us she didn't want our money. Then went on to give my mom shiit for ruining our blood lines with a white man. A lot of Native Americans get crazy pissy about the white folk.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : The summer before my 6th grade year, my parents decided to do a month long, drive around the US, Griswald type vacation. We were somewhere out west at a rest area and this Native American family was selling turquoise jewelry. I picked up a necklace and the woman put it on me, telling me how beautiful it looked. My mom, sister and I were all picking out stuff to buy and my pale skin, red headed father came waltzing out of the rest area. She yanked the necklace off of me and told us she didn't want our money. Then went on to give my mom shiit for ruining our blood lines with a white man. A lot of Native Americans get crazy pissy about the white folk.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

Wow yikes!

musicalsunlight · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : The summer before my 6th grade year, my parents decided to do a month long, drive around the US, Griswald type vacation. We were somewhere out west at a rest area and this Native American family was selling turquoise jewelry. I picked up a necklace and the woman put it on me, telling me how beautiful it looked. My mom, sister and I were all picking out stuff to buy and my pale skin, red headed father came waltzing out of the rest area. She yanked the necklace off of me and told us she didn't want our money. Then went on to give my mom shiit for ruining our blood lines with a white man. <strong>A lot of Native Americans get crazy pissy about the white folk.</strong>
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

I went with my Native American friend to a 'native american history' day camp during the summer when I was 6 or 7. I was the only white kid and therefore became the "slave" of the camp for all the other kids. The director of the camp made me always clean up the supplies after arts&crafts, and I never got to eat at snack time. My parents didn't believe me when I would tell them the stories because they thought I just didn't want to go and just stay home instead. It was awful.

avsfan33 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : The summer before my 6th grade year, my parents decided to do a month long, drive around the US, Griswald type vacation. We were somewhere out west at a rest area and this Native American family was selling turquoise jewelry. I picked up a necklace and the woman put it on me, telling me how beautiful it looked. My mom, sister and I were all picking out stuff to buy and my pale skin, red headed father came waltzing out of the rest area. She yanked the necklace off of me and told us she didn't want our money. Then went on to give my mom shiit for ruining our blood lines with a white man. A lot of Native Americans get crazy pissy about the white folk.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

That's crazy! I'm part Native. Nobody ever can tell because I'm extremely pale, blonde and green eyed.

Nebb · January 2012

Random question, does it seem like some ethnicities its more "acceptable" for them to be racist against others? Atleast, it seems more prevelant.

dmiller9274 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : I went with my Native American friend to a 'native american history' day camp during the summer when I was 6 or 7. I was the only white kid and therefore became the "slave" of the camp for all the other kids. The director of the camp made me always clean up the supplies after arts&crafts, and I never got to eat at snack time. My parents didn't believe me when I would tell them the stories because they thought I just didn't want to go and just stay home instead. It was awful.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
Oh, I totally believe it. I think it depends on the tribes, but some of them really have it in for white people. Most of my family that were assholes about it died before I can remember them, but I've heard stories of how they behaved. I like to believe that people are getting better about it, but I don't think they are.

Avs, I'm the exact opposite. Everything about me screams Native American, I get asked all the time about my heritage and what tribe I'm from. The only feature that freaks people out is that I have blue eyes. Most people can tell I come from dirty white blood lines when they look at my eyes LOL

Steph0871 · January 2012

Are we still playing? I'm starting in now anyway (I'm only on page like 3.)

Nuggs- it's the opposite. It's illegal to 'send an electronic communication' (texting, but also includes email on phones) while driving. I don't think it's illegal to talk yet. I talk on my phone all the time. I genuinely don't think it's any more distracting than talking to a passenger in the car.

I enjoy tanning. I went 4 times before we left for vacation. Partially so I didn't burn, and partially so I'd be even tanner when I got back. And also because it legitimately helps my self-diagnosed SAD. Yes, I'm aware of the risks. Yes I've made that decision. No, I won't bitch and moan if I end up with cancerous moles later. (Though I highly doubt it. I never really burn and my family is all pretty dark-skinned.)

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]Random question, does it seem like some ethnicities its more "acceptable" for them to be racist against others? Atleast, it seems more prevelant.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

In my experience, Natives aren't so much "racist" as they are angry. A lot of their traditions and memories are passed down orally - so stories of a relative who lived a hundred years ago will feel like it's stories about someone you actually know and are close with. They carry a lot of emotion about what happened to them when white people came - it's called generational grief. After speaking with Natives about this several times for work - it's easier for me to understand. It gets brought up a lot no matter what subject matter I'm covering.

mehgank · January 2012

My HS was very predominantly Native American (Lummi Indian Tribe), and they had a lot of racism towards the rest of the kids in school. They'd make up bogus excuses to get out of PE class, that sort of thing. I'm part Cherokee (I could claim Native rights if I wanted to) but I never brought it up back then because I didn't want to seem racist like they did in HS.

chelseamb11 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]Random question, does it seem like some ethnicities its more "acceptable" for them to be racist against others? Atleast, it seems more prevelant.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

I think so. I think it is much more universally "acceptable" for any minority to be racist against others, especially whites. However, once those racist thoughts become racist, violent actions, then anyone uses it as an opportunity to stereotype them. The biggest example that comes to mind for me is those gang attacks in Milwaukee this year at Summerfest. (basically a group of black teenagers/young adults were picking out random white people from the crowds and beating the shiit out of them). If a white group of guys did this to all black people, it would be considered a racist hate crime. But when black guys did this to white people, it was more regarded (by some, not by all) to be because they were blacks from the bad parts of Milwaukee, so that's why they are violent assholes.

dmiller9274 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]Random question, does it seem like some ethnicities its more "acceptable" for them to be racist against others? Atleast, it seems more prevelant.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. In fact, I think if you're anything other than white, it's more "acceptable" to be racist or stereotype based off of ethnicities. I think it's bullshiit, and I think people are assholes for being racist, but I do think it happens.

Nebb · January 2012

Hmm that's interesting there's a term for that aatb, I will have to read more about that. I've never heard that before.

MRSBJS · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : Absolutely. In fact, I think if you're anything other than white, it's more "acceptable" to be racist or stereotype based off of ethnicities. I think it's bullshiit, and I think people are assholes for being racist, but I do think it happens.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

I agree with this - and to go off of what AATB said, that term "generational grief" could be applied to many different ethnicities, I think. You still have blacks today who are angry about slavery and being oppressed.

I don't quite understand why it seems more vehement (I'm not sure exactly what word to use) in some cultures than others?

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : I agree with this - and to go off of what AATB said, that term "generational grief" could be applied to many different ethnicities, I think. You still have blacks today who are angry about slavery and being oppressed. I don't quite understand why it seems more vehement (I'm not sure exactly what word to use) in some cultures than others?
Posted by MRSBJS[/QUOTE]

Oh definitely.

And to the second thing about why it's more prevalent in some cultures than others - well, black people were enslaved by white people, and Natives were basically robbed of all their land and livelihood and given leftover crap land and forced to assimilate to white culture, etc. I can understand why it would be a big deal to those cultures.

dmiller9274 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : In my experience, Natives aren't so much "racist" as they are angry. A lot of their traditions and memories are passed down orally - so stories of a relative who lived a hundred years ago will feel like it's stories about someone you actually know and are close with. They carry a lot of emotion about what happened to them when white people came - it's called generational grief. After speaking with Natives about this several times for work - it's easier for me to understand. It gets brought up a lot no matter what subject matter I'm covering.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]
I think in a lot of cases, there's pressure from "elders" to hang on to that hatred, too. When my grandpa was still alive I remember him telling us about how he was raised and the stories he heard about white people. He always made a point to tell us that we shouldn't continue that hatred, no matter who told us we should. His parents were really bad.

Steph0871 · January 2012

I'm still catching up and I don't care if the subject(s) have changed.

I fully support banning smoking in public places. I don't want to inhale your smoke when I'm trying to walk down the sidewalk to class. However, I think it's stupid to ban smoking in bars.

Seatbelt laws are stupid for adults. If you want to risk your own life, I really don't care. However, I'm fully in support of strict carseat laws and seatbelt laws for children.

I also don't giveashit if you want to ride your motorcycle without a helmet. I will judge you for being a complete moron though.

Schools have no right to regulate foods from home. They should, however, make it affordable for parents to buy healthy lunches from the school. (Right now, my mom pays about $3/day for each of my brothers to eat hot lunch.)

MRSBJS · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : Oh definitely. And to the second thing about why it's more prevalanet in some cultures than others - well, black people were enslaved by white people, and Natives were basically robbed of all their land and livelihood and given leftover crap land and forced to assimiliate to white culture, etc. I can understand why it would be a big deal to those cultures.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

So maybe cultures that were not treated in a manner quite so bad might be less apt to hold onto that anger?

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : I think in a lot of cases, there's pressure from "elders" to hang on to that hatred, too. When my grandpa was still alive I remember him telling us about how he was raised and the stories he heard about white people. He always made a point to tell us that we shouldn't continue that hatred, no matter who told us we should. His parents were really bad.
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

I can totally see that.

kd.joseph · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : Oh, I totally believe it. I think it depends on the tribes, but some of them really have it in for white people. Most of my family that were assholes about it died before I can remember them, but I've heard stories of how they behaved. I like to believe that people are getting better about it, but I don't think they are. Avs, I'm the exact opposite. Everything about me screams Native American, I get asked all the time about my heritage and what tribe I'm from. The only feature that freaks people out is that I have blue eyes. Most people can tell I come from dirty white blood lines when they look at my eyes LOL
Posted by dmiller9274[/QUOTE]

And not to sound like a creeper, but the prettiest blue eyes I've ever seen in my life.

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : So maybe cultures that were not treated in a manner quite so bad might be less apt to hold onto that anger?
Posted by MRSBJS[/QUOTE]

I dunno, perhaps? It's an interesting theory I guess.

SarahPLiz · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : That's crazy! I'm part Native. Nobody ever can tell because I'm extremely pale, blonde and green eyed.
Posted by avsfan33[/QUOTE]
I'm Native American but no one believes me unless I'm with my dad. His brothers don't claim it, though. They just say they are Cajun (which 99% of the time has NA mixed in). They call my dad their Indian Brother.

Blueyed228 · January 2012

I hate italians. They enslaved the greeks. They can pound sand those dirty greaseballs.

MRSBJS · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : I dunno, perhaps? It's an interesting theory I guess.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

I'm sure I sound naive, I just need to research more. I don't know alot about this topic.

MRSBJS · January 2012

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[QUOTE]I hate italians. They enslaved the greeks. They can pound sand those dirty greaseballs.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I see you're still feeling the anger<img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />

Steph0871 · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : Lol, Ill take that and raise you this: I think we need to get rid of the Dept of Education and find a new option.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>*like*</div><div>
</div><div>Also, I think Chels wins the Unpop Op award... at least in WI this year. ;)</div>

AllAboutTheBenjamin · January 2012

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge / unpop ops : I'm sure I sound naive, I just need to research more. I don't know alot about this topic.
Posted by MRSBJS[/QUOTE]

It's really interesting. I was doing special programming on binge drinking this year and I learned a lot about it from the Native perspective - it kind of makes sense that alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide and even diabetes rates are so high on reservations. Very very interesting, and sad :(

Nebb · January 2012

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[QUOTE]I hate italians. They enslaved the greeks. They can pound sand those dirty greaseballs.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

At what point can it be like "dude, that happened hundreds of years ago. Get over it"

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