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climbingsingle

I've reported posts and on every single post I've reported, I've never received any kind of notification. There's nothing in my discussions, or notification, or inbox. 

ShesSoCold

KatieinBkln said:

photokitty said:

KatieinBkln said:

photokitty said:

People, I was the one that said it and I apologized. You can see it at 12:40pm. I was misinformed and passed on incorrect info. We were probably typing at the same time. I should have tagged you, @MagicInk.

ShesSoCold said:

No sarcasm here - I'm sorry for my misunderstanding. All of us, mods and KGs were told that the reporting person could see comments. I apologize for assuming this was correct and for assuming that users had seen these comments when told they hadn't. 

I know this isn't what any of us want to hear, but it was apparently a system problem (is anyone surprised?) that caused the reporter not to see the thread. I cannot fix the error, but I can get around it. I will now be sending PMs to every report I respond to. 

Better late than never.

I wouldn't be quite as quick to exonerate the KGs if I were you. Sure, the tech team sucks (shit, can I say that? Is stating an apparent fact against the TOS? It's a negative fact, but a fact nonetheless) but that has been known for years. The buck has to stop with the admins.

Seriously? I responded with 15 mins. I was also reading and writing PMs with MI. As well as IRL stuff, I can't sit on TK exclusively. 

I think you are looking for things to complain about and doing so over a volunteer mod taking 15 mins to post a reply is pretty petty - or unreasonable. 

Sorry, you're right, @Photokitty. Your apology was prompt, and evidently sincere. I didn't mean to direct that particular barb at you; lazy editing on my part.

My bigger beef was with SSC for replying with a piqued "well now we know so I guess it WAS helpful, wasn't it?" instead of being properly chagrined once it became clear that mods had been asked to believe that users were being shitty for "ignoring" responses they never could see.

That seriously wasn't sarcastic. I was saying that for me, yes, it was helpful because now I know to PM users when they report a post. 

KatieinBkln

ShesSoCold said:

photokitty said:

KatieinBkln said:

photokitty said:

People, I was the one that said it and I apologized. You can see it at 12:40pm. I was misinformed and passed on incorrect info. We were probably typing at the same time. I should have tagged you, @MagicInk.

ShesSoCold said:

No sarcasm here - I'm sorry for my misunderstanding. All of us, mods and KGs were told that the reporting person could see comments. I apologize for assuming this was correct and for assuming that users had seen these comments when told they hadn't. 

I know this isn't what any of us want to hear, but it was apparently a system problem (is anyone surprised?) that caused the reporter not to see the thread. I cannot fix the error, but I can get around it. I will now be sending PMs to every report I respond to. 

Better late than never.

I wouldn't be quite as quick to exonerate the KGs if I were you. Sure, the tech team sucks (shit, can I say that? Is stating an apparent fact against the TOS? It's a negative fact, but a fact nonetheless) but that has been known for years. The buck has to stop with the admins.

Seriously? I responded with 15 mins. I was also reading and writing PMs with MI. As well as IRL stuff, I can't sit on TK exclusively. 

I think you are looking for things to complain about and doing so over a volunteer mod taking 15 mins to post a reply is pretty petty - or unreasonable. 

I agree. 

I'm at work and previously I didn't apologize because I assumed (again, apparently my own fault) that a fix to the problem would be better than "oopsie dilly! Sorry!". Personally I'd rather have a solution than an apology. I didn't know that's what you guys were looking for. I didn't personally issue any warnings to any users, ever, for repeated reportings so I don't even know why anyone would even want an apology from me. 

I still don't understand how people can get so upset and so bothered by a place that they frequent voluntarily. I'm not suggesting that anyone should leave, I just know I would if ever. single. thing. about this placed chapped my ass.

Not sure about anyone else, but my ass has only been chapped recently. You know, since Admin started spanking it like a little child's over Every. Single. Thing.

KatieinBkln

ShesSoCold said:

Sorry, you're right, @Photokitty. Your apology was prompt, and evidently sincere. I didn't mean to direct that particular barb at you; lazy editing on my part.

My bigger beef was with SSC for replying with a piqued "well now we know so I guess it WAS helpful, wasn't it?" instead of being properly chagrined once it became clear that mods had been asked to believe that users were being shitty for "ignoring" responses they never could see.

That seriously wasn't sarcastic. I was saying that for me, yes, it was helpful because now I know to PM users when they report a post. 

Cutting down on the giant tree. I never thought you were sarcastic. I thought it came across extremely defensive and gave off a "well, ACTUALLY" tone where a more empathetic one would have been more apropos. Magic was describing how unhelpful the current system is TO HER, a regular user. To pop in and say "well, as a matter of fact it IS helpful because now we know" and ignoring the fact that she had been accused of shenanigans in the meantime was tone deaf at best, shitty at worst.

I do not expect mods to have known that this was the case. How could you? But it is telling to me that so many of you were happy to assume the worst of your fellow community members, rather than listening to them when they repeatedly tried to mention that something in the milk ain't clean.

ShesSoCold

KatieinBkln said:

ShesSoCold said:

Sorry, you're right, @Photokitty. Your apology was prompt, and evidently sincere. I didn't mean to direct that particular barb at you; lazy editing on my part.

My bigger beef was with SSC for replying with a piqued "well now we know so I guess it WAS helpful, wasn't it?" instead of being properly chagrined once it became clear that mods had been asked to believe that users were being shitty for "ignoring" responses they never could see.

That seriously wasn't sarcastic. I was saying that for me, yes, it was helpful because now I know to PM users when they report a post. 

Cutting down on the giant tree. I never thought you were sarcastic. I thought it came across extremely defensive and gave off a "well, ACTUALLY" tone where a more empathetic one would have been more apropos. Magic was describing how unhelpful the current system is TO HER, a regular user. To pop in and say "well, as a matter of fact it IS helpful because now we know" and ignoring the fact that she had been accused of shenanigans in the meantime was tone deaf at best, shitty at worst.

I do not expect mods to have known that this was the case. How could you? But it is telling to me that so many of you were happy to assume the worst of your fellow community members, rather than listening to them when they repeatedly tried to mention that something in the milk ain't clean.

You're right. That makes sense. I did focus on the what we can do now as opposed to what's already been done. 

Maggie0829

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

ShesSoCold

OP is going to come back here and be like

pinupbride6189

ShesSoCold said:

OP is going to come back here and be like

I don't think OP is coming back. Every one has been so mean to her, I don't see why she would come back to take more abuse!

VulgarGirl

PrettyGirlLost

southernbelle0915 said:

Why do people think mods are paid? I have never been compensated by TK. If any of the other mods are getting paid, I want in!

I think posters referring to people getting paid are talking about the actual TK admins, the actual paid employees of XO.  I don't think the posters are referring to the mods.

Maggie0829

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

I was made to feel like a dumbass for not reading a thread about my report. A thread I can't see. I shouldn't be made to feel stupid for not being able to do something.

Now apparently the powers that be can't figure out how to explain shit (no surprise there), and that's not the fault of the mod's at all. 

However the mod's reation of "Oh super bummer you can't actually see that" didn't acknowledge that I was made to feel like a piece of shit over not reading something I can't see. That's why I asked for an apology. Which @PhotoKitty gave me, so thank you to her for that. 

If someone makes me feel like shit, I have every right to ask for them to apologize. @ShesSoCold's post read to me as "Well sure you feel like shit, but hey we learned something new! So it's all good!" which is fucked up and wrong. Even when you wanna be all "ok lets fix the problem" you still say sorry. 

Had I actually been able to see the thread I would've said "Ok sorry PhotoKitty is right we can see the threads here's how you find it guys". I would've apologized. 

Sure you can ask for an apology, but you don't have to be given one, especially when the mods were under the impression that posters can see the responses they provide on reported posts.  If someone feels like they didn't do anything wrong they don't owe you or anyone else an apology. They were doing what they were told to do.  They were told that when they respond to reported posts the person who reported it should see it.  I am not sure how telling you that "you can see my response on your reported post" turns into them making you look like a dumbass.  How were they supposed to know that you couldn't see it?  Finding out that it wasn't working doesn't automatically warrant an apology.  And at this point I think taking what ShesSoCold said personally is ridiculous.  Also you are only taking half of what she said.  Yeah, it is a bummer that you couldn't see it, but she said that with knowing that information the mods will now change how they respond to reported posts.  Problem solved.  Mods now know that posters can't see their responses and will now PM those who reported a post.  Again, I see no need for an apology when the person involved had no idea that what they were telling you was wrong. And you only felt like you were made to be a dumbass because that is how you chose to interpret her post.  From how I read it, it seemed like a mod trying to explain how the responses to reported posts work and she was trying to direct you to the post that she was talking about.  If you decided to take it personally then that is on you because no where was she degrading or talking down to you.

ShesSoCold

Maggie0829 said:

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

I was made to feel like a dumbass for not reading a thread about my report. A thread I can't see. I shouldn't be made to feel stupid for not being able to do something.

Now apparently the powers that be can't figure out how to explain shit (no surprise there), and that's not the fault of the mod's at all. 

However the mod's reation of "Oh super bummer you can't actually see that" didn't acknowledge that I was made to feel like a piece of shit over not reading something I can't see. That's why I asked for an apology. Which @PhotoKitty gave me, so thank you to her for that. 

If someone makes me feel like shit, I have every right to ask for them to apologize. @ShesSoCold's post read to me as "Well sure you feel like shit, but hey we learned something new! So it's all good!" which is fucked up and wrong. Even when you wanna be all "ok lets fix the problem" you still say sorry. 

Had I actually been able to see the thread I would've said "Ok sorry PhotoKitty is right we can see the threads here's how you find it guys". I would've apologized. 

Sure you can ask for an apology, but you don't have to be given one, especially when the mods were under the impression that posters can see the responses they provide on reported posts.  If someone feels like they didn't do anything wrong they don't owe you or anyone else an apology. They were doing what they were told to do.  They were told that when they respond to reported posts the person who reported it should see it.  I am not sure how telling you that "you can see my response on your reported post" turns into them making you look like a dumbass.  How were they supposed to know that you couldn't see it?  Finding out that it wasn't working doesn't automatically warrant an apology.  And at this point I think taking what ShesSoCold said personally is ridiculous.  Also you are only taking half of what she said.  Yeah, it is a bummer that you couldn't see it, but she said that with knowing that information the mods will now change how they respond to reported posts.  Problem solved.  Mods now know that posters can't see their responses and will now PM those who reported a post.  Again, I see no need for an apology when the person involved had no idea that what they were telling you was wrong. And you only felt like you were made to be a dumbass because that is how you chose to interpret her post.  From how I read it, it seemed like a mod trying to explain how the responses to reported posts work and she was trying to direct you to the post that she was talking about.  If you decided to take it personally then that is on you because no where was she degrading or talking down to you.

Thanks Maggie. You're correct. I know we've had discussions about misintrepretation of tone here...

KatieinBkln

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

Well, speaking for myself, what I would like from them is to hear a little bit of "I'm mad about this too. We were misinformed, which made us believe you were acting badly, when actually you were in the dark." 

If I were a mod and found that out, I would be PISSED. I don't think the mods here are monsters. Nobody in good faith wants to go around accusing people of fucking up or trolling or acting like a jerk when they really aren't. So to find out that I'd been asked to punish and warn people for no good reason? I'd be mad as hell. And I'd say so, publicly, so that my fellow community members realized that I can empathize with them. That I'm not, in fact, a brown-nosing blind loyalist to a company that hasn't done anything to earn that loyalty. That I'm willing to see myself as a community member first, and a volunteer for TK second.

I just haven't seen very much of that. Maybe it'll change now that it's clear that the TGs are either misinformed or filthy liars (my personal jury is still out). I hope that it does.

VulgarGirl

ShesSoCold

KatieinBkln said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

Well, speaking for myself, what I would like from them is to hear a little bit of "I'm mad about this too. We were misinformed, which made us believe you were acting badly, when actually you were in the dark." 

If I were a mod and found that out, I would be PISSED. I don't think the mods here are monsters. Nobody in good faith wants to go around accusing people of fucking up or trolling or acting like a jerk when they really aren't. So to find out that I'd been asked to punish and warn people for no good reason? I'd be mad as hell. And I'd say so, publicly, so that my fellow community members realized that I can empathize with them. That I'm not, in fact, a brown-nosing blind loyalist to a company that hasn't done anything to earn that loyalty. That I'm willing to see myself as a community member first, and a volunteer for TK second.

I just haven't seen very much of that. Maybe it'll change now that it's clear that the TGs are either misinformed or filthy liars (my personal jury is still out). I hope that it does.

Oh I definitely feel like a big dumbass and it's definitely frustrating. Since we were put in place as mods, we've all, as a group made an effort to respond to every single post. For absolutely no reason, as it turns out. 

VulgarGirl

Liatris2010

It seems like people think we are doling out warnings left and right. I have issued exactly one official warning for abuse of the report button and maybe 5 warnings total. This is a busy board and I've had mod powers almost a year. I understand that people want clear rules so that they can avoid trouble, but the rules are clear enough, or you are all naturally well behaved enough, that you're managing to avoid trouble just fine. I think people are getting upset over things that they think happen all the time, but are actually pretty rare.

Maggie0829

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

I was made to feel like a dumbass for not reading a thread about my report. A thread I can't see. I shouldn't be made to feel stupid for not being able to do something.

Now apparently the powers that be can't figure out how to explain shit (no surprise there), and that's not the fault of the mod's at all. 

However the mod's reation of "Oh super bummer you can't actually see that" didn't acknowledge that I was made to feel like a piece of shit over not reading something I can't see. That's why I asked for an apology. Which @PhotoKitty gave me, so thank you to her for that. 

If someone makes me feel like shit, I have every right to ask for them to apologize. @ShesSoCold's post read to me as "Well sure you feel like shit, but hey we learned something new! So it's all good!" which is fucked up and wrong. Even when you wanna be all "ok lets fix the problem" you still say sorry. 

Had I actually been able to see the thread I would've said "Ok sorry PhotoKitty is right we can see the threads here's how you find it guys". I would've apologized. 

Sure you can ask for an apology, but you don't have to be given one, especially when the mods were under the impression that posters can see the responses they provide on reported posts.  If someone feels like they didn't do anything wrong they don't owe you or anyone else an apology. They were doing what they were told to do.  They were told that when they respond to reported posts the person who reported it should see it.  I am not sure how telling you that "you can see my response on your reported post" turns into them making you look like a dumbass.  How were they supposed to know that you couldn't see it?  Finding out that it wasn't working doesn't automatically warrant an apology.  And at this point I think taking what ShesSoCold said personally is ridiculous.  Also you are only taking half of what she said.  Yeah, it is a bummer that you couldn't see it, but she said that with knowing that information the mods will now change how they respond to reported posts.  Problem solved.  Mods now know that posters can't see their responses and will now PM those who reported a post.  Again, I see no need for an apology when the person involved had no idea that what they were telling you was wrong. And you only felt like you were made to be a dumbass because that is how you chose to interpret her post.  From how I read it, it seemed like a mod trying to explain how the responses to reported posts work and she was trying to direct you to the post that she was talking about.  If you decided to take it personally then that is on you because no where was she degrading or talking down to you.

I can't respond to this without getting a warning. I honestly can't. Because what I want to say to you right now will get me banned. And I'm not being dramatic here. I want to say things I know are against TOS. I want to use GIFs I know are against TOS.

Fine Maggie. You're right. You are always right. I shouldn't get my feelings hurt. Hell I should just not have feelings or emotions at all. And I sure as shit shouldn't use them.

I don't understand your obsessive need to come along and tell people they are feeling their feelings the wrong way. Or reacting incorrectly. Do you just need to feel better than and superior to everyone all the fucking time? 

So I am not allowed my opinion?  Oh okay.

And you are calling me out for feeling the need to be superior to others?  That is kind of laughable.

Edited:  Because I accidentally responded to another quote before finishing my thought on another.  I don't want another response taken wrong because I wasn't fully finished writing it and getting my thoughts in order.

southernbelle0915

ShesSoCold said:

KatieinBkln said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

Well, speaking for myself, what I would like from them is to hear a little bit of "I'm mad about this too. We were misinformed, which made us believe you were acting badly, when actually you were in the dark." 

If I were a mod and found that out, I would be PISSED. I don't think the mods here are monsters. Nobody in good faith wants to go around accusing people of fucking up or trolling or acting like a jerk when they really aren't. So to find out that I'd been asked to punish and warn people for no good reason? I'd be mad as hell. And I'd say so, publicly, so that my fellow community members realized that I can empathize with them. That I'm not, in fact, a brown-nosing blind loyalist to a company that hasn't done anything to earn that loyalty. That I'm willing to see myself as a community member first, and a volunteer for TK second.

I just haven't seen very much of that. Maybe it'll change now that it's clear that the TGs are either misinformed or filthy liars (my personal jury is still out). I hope that it does.

Oh I definitely feel like a big dumbass and it's definitely frustrating. Since we were put in place as mods, we've all, as a group made an effort to respond to every single post. For absolutely no reason, as it turns out. 

Yea, it's frustrating. Because we explain why the report is/isn't a violation and indicate whether it's closed. About 90% of reports are from special snowflakes reporting things they personally don't like (i.e. when we don't validate their ideas) which are non-violations of the TOS...but we respond to them, too! 

But for me personally, it's not frustrating enough to don a pitchfork and be pissed about for weeks at a time. It's a wedding forum. There have been tech issues with TK for as long as I can remember. If it bothered me that much, I wouldn't have accepted the mod role and I would have moved on a long time ago.

lyndausvi

I said I was sorry.   So did a few others.  Mods are not here 24/7. I know a few are on vacation.   So I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect them to respond quickly.      Some haven't even logged in to know there is even an issue.  

And yes I feel like a fucking ass for responding to 10 months worth of reported post for nothing.

VulgarGirl

VulgarGirl

Liatris2010

lyndausvi said:

I said I was sorry.   So did a few others.  Mods are not here 24/7. I know a few are on vacation.   So I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect them to respond quickly.      Some haven't even logged in to know there is even an issue.  

And yes I feel like a fucking ass for responding to 10 months worth of reported post for nothing.

I don't feel badly about reporters not being able to see my responses. 98% of them are "perceived rudeness is not a violation of the TOS" and the rest are "Thanks for flagging!" The reporters didn't miss much is not seeing those responses.

hellohkb

lyndausvi said:

I said I was sorry.   So did a few others.  Mods are not here 24/7. I know a few are on vacation.   So I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect them to respond quickly.      Some haven't even logged in to know there is even an issue.  

And yes I feel like a fucking ass for responding to 10 months worth of reported post for nothing.

Same. I feel bad about it and we are working together to find a way to fix the problem, now that we know there is indeed a problem. I also feel like an ass for responding to reported posts.

lyndausvi

The KG's were to have a IT meeting this afternoon.      I've been on here for a long time now to know this is not going to be fixed overnight.  Can we say "boxes"?

In the meantime we all agreed that the mod of the appropriate board  will respond to any post YOU report via a PM.  Or in the case of when the mod is OOT, another mod will respond.

Maggie0829

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

VulgarGirl said:

Maggie0829 said:

I don't really understand why the mods have to apologize.  They were under the impression that they were doing the right thing when responding to reported posts.  They were TOLD by the admins that that is the way to do it.  Just because it didn't work the way they were told doesn't mean that they need to apologize for something out of their control.  But like ShesSoCold said, it is a good thing to find this out because now they know how to properly contact those who reported a post.

I think people need to lay off the mods a bit though.  They are working with what many have deemed a vague TOS and can only provide posters with the information that they are given.  So if the information that they are given doesn't really answer your question or isn't deemed good enough then what do you want from them?

But in regards to the discussion in this thread the mods didn't do anything wrong.  They did exactly as they were told without any idea that what they were doing wasn't working.  So if you are pissed then blame the admins or TK tech.  And just because the mods may defend TKGs or parts of the TOS in some instances doesn't mean that they are brown nosers.  It just means that they aren't agreeing with every single complaint there is.

I was made to feel like a dumbass for not reading a thread about my report. A thread I can't see. I shouldn't be made to feel stupid for not being able to do something.

Now apparently the powers that be can't figure out how to explain shit (no surprise there), and that's not the fault of the mod's at all. 

However the mod's reation of "Oh super bummer you can't actually see that" didn't acknowledge that I was made to feel like a piece of shit over not reading something I can't see. That's why I asked for an apology. Which @PhotoKitty gave me, so thank you to her for that. 

If someone makes me feel like shit, I have every right to ask for them to apologize. @ShesSoCold's post read to me as "Well sure you feel like shit, but hey we learned something new! So it's all good!" which is fucked up and wrong. Even when you wanna be all "ok lets fix the problem" you still say sorry. 

Had I actually been able to see the thread I would've said "Ok sorry PhotoKitty is right we can see the threads here's how you find it guys". I would've apologized. 

Sure you can ask for an apology, but you don't have to be given one, especially when the mods were under the impression that posters can see the responses they provide on reported posts.  If someone feels like they didn't do anything wrong they don't owe you or anyone else an apology. They were doing what they were told to do.  They were told that when they respond to reported posts the person who reported it should see it.  I am not sure how telling you that "you can see my response on your reported post" turns into them making you look like a dumbass.  How were they supposed to know that you couldn't see it?  Finding out that it wasn't working doesn't automatically warrant an apology.  And at this point I think taking what ShesSoCold said personally is ridiculous.  Also you are only taking half of what she said.  Yeah, it is a bummer that you couldn't see it, but she said that with knowing that information the mods will now change how they respond to reported posts.  Problem solved.  Mods now know that posters can't see their responses and will now PM those who reported a post.  Again, I see no need for an apology when the person involved had no idea that what they were telling you was wrong. And you only felt like you were made to be a dumbass because that is how you chose to interpret her post.  From how I read it, it seemed like a mod trying to explain how the responses to reported posts work and she was trying to direct you to the post that she was talking about.  If you decided to take it personally then that is on you because no where was she degrading or talking down to you.

I can't respond to this without getting a warning. I honestly can't. Because what I want to say to you right now will get me banned. And I'm not being dramatic here. I want to say things I know are against TOS. I want to use GIFs I know are against TOS.

Fine Maggie. You're right. You are always right. I shouldn't get my feelings hurt. Hell I should just not have feelings or emotions at all. And I sure as shit shouldn't use them.

I don't understand your obsessive need to come along and tell people they are feeling their feelings the wrong way. Or reacting incorrectly. Do you just need to feel better than and superior to everyone all the fucking time? 

So I am not allowed my opinion?  Oh okay.

And you are calling me out for feeling the need to be superior to others?  That is kind of laughable.

Edited:  Because I accidentally responded to another quote before finishing my thought on another.  I don't want another response taken wrong because I wasn't fully finished writing it and getting my thoughts in order.

Why do you get opinions but I can't have my fucking feelings? 

Yeah, you do act like superior to others. You don't ever need to vent or whine or cause a fuss or get upset about things that don't really matter. Because you're better than those of us who do.

No, because I know that venting and getting pissy over a wedding forum is kind of silly.  If something upset me that much on here I would be logging out for good.  That doesn't make me think I am better then some of you, as you believe I think.  It is just me not wanting to waste my time on something that is insignificant.  But hey, if you want to bitch and moan then go right ahead, but know that just as you are allowed to bitch and moan, I am allowed to tell you I think it is silly.

Liatris2010

VulgarGirl said:

Liatris2010 said:

It seems like people think we are doling out warnings left and right. I have issued exactly one official warning for abuse of the report button and maybe 5 warnings total. This is a busy board and I've had mod powers almost a year. I understand that people want clear rules so that they can avoid trouble, but the rules are clear enough, or you are all naturally well behaved enough, that you're managing to avoid trouble just fine. I think people are getting upset over things that they think happen all the time, but are actually pretty rare.

Did y'all read the "helpful" TOS clarification that KR posted? That's where a lot of people are getting pissed about because in there in highlighted "if you do something wrong a mod/admin will warn you" but didn't define the things like being vulgar/obcesene/ect. So basically "you know you are doing wrong when you are punished for it".

Then they said "report threads that you think are TOS violations cause we won't see everything but if you over report we'll warn you" but then that goes back to "you know you are doing wrong when you're punished for it". 

Now we know mods have basically zero to do with the TOS. Or the TOS clarifications. But lately what a lot of us are seeing are mods going "The admins are right and everything is clear" while a lot of users go "How is that clear we need clarification" and then the mods go "OMG we don't know everything!". We want answers from  admins. From the KGs. From KnotRiley and KnotHolly. Answers they won't give. And instead the leave mods to fight their battles for them.

It's a lot of fucked up bullshit and looks a hell of a lot like what went down on TB not too terribly long ago.

Yes, I understand that things like "vulgar" are subjective. My point is that even with these admittedly subjective rules in place, everyone is doing a good job staying this side of the fuzzy line. The only time people run afoul of the line is when they go looking for it.

VulgarGirl

emmaaa

Liatris2010 said:

I said I was sorry.   So did a few others.  Mods are not here 24/7. I know a few are on vacation.   So I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect them to respond quickly.      Some haven't even logged in to know there is even an issue.  

And yes I feel like a fucking ass for responding to 10 months worth of reported post for nothing.

I don't feel badly about reporters not being able to see my responses. 98% of them are "perceived rudeness is not a violation of the TOS" and the rest are "Thanks for flagging!" The reporters didn't miss much is not seeing those responses.

This is kind of how I feel. I mean it sucks because we thought users could see our responses (which most of the time said "this doesn't violate TOS" or "thank you for reporting, issue is being handled") and now realize we basically were talking to ourselves all along. However, in most cases it wasn't something someone needed to see. But it is frustrating at the same time. And I understand the frustration from those who thought they were being ignored.

Now, the mods are deciding how to make sure to reply to reported posts so that everyone knows that every single report is being looked at.

VulgarGirl