Have you picked your candidate yet?

Blueyed228

Also- there are democrats who are pro-life and democrats who are against gay marriage.

Starqueg

They're so extreme that Paul Ryan supports them. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-personhood_n_1767760.html

Loopyseven

I've never had an issue picking up a second job when I needed extra money.  Even in the last 4 years, so for anyone who says there are no jobs, I call bull.  There are jobs available - maybe not "good enough" jobs, but some cash is better than no cash.

kd.joseph

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[QUOTE]I don't care what your personal views are about social issues, the fact is, you are supporting people who are homophobes by voting for them.   As a woman this thread made me sad because I cannot imagine so many women choosing to align themselves with men who are working to eliminate their rights.  These are men who voted against guaranteeing women equal pay.  They vote to ban abortion in all circumstances.  They hate abortion so much that they cut cancer screenings.  Our economy has it's problems, but electing men who will fix it by stepping on women isn't the answer. <strong>As to an earlier complaint about welfare changes, well, what would you have done?  Told people, sure you qualify for welfare if you get a job, oh there are no jobs, guess you don't get any benefits.  Sorry.  Enjoy crippling poverty.  Work-for-welfare really only works when jobs are actually available.</strong>
Posted by Starqueg[/QUOTE]



I personally am tired of paying for everyone else, and they are only allowed to work a certain amount of hours, and there are plenty of part time jobs out there. I work in a place that have jobs all around, but no one wants to work.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]They're so extreme that Paul Ryan supports them.  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-personhood_n_1767760.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-personhood_n_1767760.html</a>
Posted by Starqueg[/QUOTE]

Yes a bill that has a 1% chance of passing is a total threat to womens rights.

Or it isnt.

Starqueg

Whether or not is has any chance of passing doesn't change the fact that he belives in it and would gladly force all of us to live according to his beliefs.  

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]Whether or not is has any chance of passing doesn't change the fact that he belives in it and would gladly force all of us to live according to his beliefs.  
Posted by Starqueg[/QUOTE]

Well what about other peoples rights?  The democrats have actually ENACTED laws that take my rights away.  Smoking, swearing, eating certain foods, talking on my cell phone, etc.

When is the last time the right passed a law that took your rights away?

mica178

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Have you picked your candidate yet? : YOUR MOM IS A FASCIST
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


HOW DO YOU KNOW MY MOM?
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Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Have you picked your candidate yet? : HOW DO YOU KNOW MY MOM?
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

I keep her in my back pocket when I need to whip out my "I KNOW AN ASIAN" card.

mica178

I don't get single issue voters.  

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]I don't get single issue voters.  
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

Im starting not to get liberals......

mica178

You used to get liberals?  :P

Brandi0714

I struggle with who I will vote for.  At the last election, it was the first one that I was old enough to vote in (and was 18) so I voted for who my Dad voted for.  This time around, I find myself not as a single issue voter, but paying attention to the issues that actually effect me.  Whether or not abortion and gay marriage is legalized may be important, but since the laws on that truly wouldn't change my every day life, I have a hard time using that as some of my main issues.  That probably makes me sound like an asshole, but at least I can admit it.  I am trying to look at the bigger picture but I feel fairly uneducated on how everything works so it's a work in progress.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]I've never had an issue picking up a second job when I needed extra money.  Even in the last 4 years, so for anyone who says there are no jobs, I call bull.  There are jobs available - maybe not "good enough" jobs, but some cash is better than no cash.
Posted by Loopyseven[/QUOTE]

I want to disagree with this and say it might depend on where you are.  When I was unemployed for 8 months, I applied to over 350 jobs (350 was when I stopped counting).  Many of them were places like Target, Best Buy, Subway, etc.  I didn't even get an interview at a single one of those places.  I spoke to a Best Buy manager, who told me that "people like [me]" (college degree, experience) don't get jobs like that, because they know I won't stick around.    So, it irks me when people say "Just get a job at McDonalds!"

Anyway, that's off topic.  I have not yet picked my candidate, and I'm having a really hard time.  Growing up in WI during Ryan's reign, I really don't care for him...but, ugh, I just don't know.

And I also don't get single issue voters.  Would you vote for someone that wanted to do all sorts of awful things, as long as they support gay marriage/rights (name your issue)?  Because that's the impression I get from some of the big single issue voters.

mica178

i2i, J.

J&K10910

I also want to say that (I didn't read the whole thread, so someone may have said something like this), but I'm very "pro-gun", and even I don't like Ryan's stance on firearms.  He's a little too pro-gun even for me.

ETA: this is not even close to my only reason for not like Ryan, but I find it interesting, in any case.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]You used to get liberals?  :P
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

I used to get liberals like Star(musica, not that other Star chick).  Because they made a bit of sense to me and didnt come of as fnger wavers.  But this new generation of the whole "OBAMA WILL SAVE US ALL" liberals.  Ugh, I just dont get.

It could also be because I hate being called a racist and a homophobe and a hater of women.  That could be it too.  Either way.

Loopyseven

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Have you picked your candidate yet? : I used to get liberals like Star(musica, not that other Star chick).  Because they made a bit of sense to me and didnt come of as fnger wavers.  But this new generation of the whole<strong> "OBAMA WILL SAVE US ALL"</strong> liberals.  Ugh, I just dont get. It could also be because I hate being called a racist and a homophobe and a hater of women.  That could be it too.  Either way.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

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mica178

Maybe you know my mother's a fascist because you're one, Blue.  :P

I'm becoming more and more conservative with time.  And I'm dragging my (insanely liberal) father over to my side too.  David Brooks is the gateway drug I offer him. 

mica178

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Have you picked your candidate yet? : I don't think even Obama can tell me HOW he's going to save us all.
Posted by Loopyseven[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>That's because he can't.  No President can.  </div>

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]Maybe you know my mother's a <strong><u>fascist because you're one, Blue</u></strong>.  :P I'm becoming more and more conservative with time.  And I'm dragging my (insanely liberal) father over to my side too.  David Brooks is the gateway drug I offer him. 
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

Stop telling my secrets!!

No really though.  Im super conservative on some things and I could give a crap less about others.  I use my 70/30 rule.  If I agree with a candidate 70% of the time, they are a good candidate for me.

You are never going to find someone who shares exactly all of your beliefs.

SachaBee

"Yeah, yeah - oops-a-babies happen, but I have to believe they are so small a percentage that they do not warrant needing legislation to mandate maternity coverage for my (hypothetical) 26 year old daughter"

Actually (here is going to make everyone more sad, but with nonpartisan good reason) the CDC reports that nearly half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned.

(Which is a reason I support birth control coverage in insurance plans...)

Loopyseven

I meant unplanned within the segment of under 26 year olds still on their parents insurance for whatever reason.  FOr what it's worth.

And I'd be interested to see what criteria the CDC uses to determine unplanned.  

Blueyed228

Cant you get BCP's at Walmart for like $4?  Or free at PP?

SachaBee

Hmm they are not $4 at WalMart, I know that. I don't know about free at PP. They did not mention that option to me ... (that isn't really my point but it is worth looking into). *Whoops, I had to edit this 'cause it was kinda my point. What I meant to say is it is not my only reason for supporting that.*

Loopyseven, I did not mean to attack your point, I think it is valid (your hypothetical daughter should not be getting pregnant in that situation, haha). I just know that statistic shocks a lot of people as well it should. I read somewhere else (but I don't remember where so take with grain of salt) that unplanned teen pregnancies were decreasing but now unplanned early-20s (not 26 though) are increasing, which is weird. I don't know their critera, sorry. It is probably self-reported? (I mean, how else could you know if it was planned, there is not really an objective way to know that, right?)

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]<strong><u>Hmm they are not $4 at WalMart</u></strong>, I know that. I don't know about free at PP. They did not mention that option to me ... (that isn't really my point but it is worth looking into). *Whoops, I had to edit this 'cause it was kinda my point. What I meant to say is it is not my only reason for supporting that.* Loopyseven, I did not mean to attack your point, I think it is valid (your hypothetical daughter should not be getting pregnant in that situation, haha). I just know that statistic shocks a lot of people as well it should. I read somewhere else (but I don't remember where so take with grain of salt) that unplanned teen pregnancies were decreasing but now unplanned early-20s (not 26 though) are increasing, which is weird. I don't know their critera, sorry. It is probably self-reported? (I mean, how else could you know if it was planned, there is not really an objective way to know that, right?)
Posted by SachaBee[/QUOTE]

My bad.  They are $9 at Wal-Mart and Target.  $15 at PP.

I guess if you cant afford $9 a month, how can you afford the hundreds a month that health insurance costs? Or are you going to rely on Obamacare? (general you here)

SachaBee

I don't know what I am going to do, haha Be glad I'm generally healthy I guess. (Of course that's the moment my roof caves in or something. Knock on wood.)
Which is sorta to say that I'm not the most educated about politics as I said before. I don't dislike Obamacare. I tend to generally trust the Supreme Court these days... There is a LOT for everyone to think about before November. So keep talking !!

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Have you picked your candidate yet? : My tits are plenty calm. In fact they're blissful. They lactate motherf$%ing rainbows! ... OK at this point in my night they probably lactate wine. For starters, I realize that just because someone is a Republican doesn't make them an evil, homophobe, anti-woman, nutbag. So if we can let's shelf that rhetoric. I don't automatically think you're a fascist because you're a Republican. I'd like to assume that you don't think I'm a moron or a pinko because I'm a democrat. (I don't think that you do, although some of my family members seem to be happy to make that jump) Also it's great that you have gay friends, but I don't see how that matters in terms of this discussion. I seriously never know what point people are trying to make when they say this kind of stuff. To me this would be the equivalent of if we were having a debate about racism and I said that I supported a candidate with more racist views than his opponent but followed it up with "I have black friends!" OK and this is relevant because....? It seems like a personal justification for supporting a candidate who has some unsupportable views. If you think that the economy is more important than civil rights for gay people, then fine, but own tha t. Don't hide behind the fact that you have gay friends, and support gay causes. And I realize that Romney and Obama both have crappy policy when it comes to gay marriage, but at least Obama is openly in favor of gay marriage personally. That may not mean much to you as a straight woman, but it does mean something to many members of the glbt community.  You support gay marriage, but you also don't think it's that important. Or at least not important enough to warrant basing your vote upon a candidate who openly supports it. If you were gay and the legality and validity of your marriage were being debated you'd probably feel more strongly about it. That's what I was referring to when I referenced your privilege influencing your position and reaction to the previous commenter.  ETA: If any of this is unclear or bitchy, I apologize. This is my vacation week. I'm a little tipsy. Maybe we could just think of this as a liberal stream of consciousness.
Posted by HoorayForSoup[/QUOTE]

First of all, Obama only recently said he was in support of gay marriage. And I find that ironic since its an election year.  Yet even with this new support of it, he has done nothing. Not one single thing, to move the issue forward.

Second, Im not hiding behind anything.  I do have gay friends, and black friends, and spanish friends etc. 

I do think at this point, the economy is more important than gay marriage.  I think its more important than all social issues.  For starters, even if Obama was to come out tomorrow and say "I legalize gay marriage for EVERYONE!!" its not going to happen.  States have their own Constitutions and I have serious doubts that the SC court will uphold a president overriding state constitutions.  The gay rights movement needs to focus on getting more states to legalize it before the federal government is going to take the issue seriously from a legislation point of view. Its not the president who is going to get it legalized.  Its the states, and then it will be the senate and house.  All he is going to have to do is sign it into law.

Also, just because a candidate does not support federal legislation that overrides state constitutions, that doesnt mean they are a homophobes.  And just because they dont support abortion doesnt mean they hate women and want to send us back to the time when we had no rights and no vote.

I dont base my vote on a candidate off of one issue.  I dont care how important said issue is to anyone.  This country isnt all about 1 issue. But from what you are saying, you do base your vote off of one issue. If gay marriage is your only issue, good for you. But I have many issues that concern me right now.  And if you think that I should be more concerned about what a presidential candidate thinks about a social issue that he basically cannot do anything by himself about, then I will think you are a little cray cray. Or at least drunk on wine.

Blueyed228

Having a "rainbow of friends" became relevant to the conversation when you felt it necessary to lecture me on how privileged I am and how gay people are a minority and are legally discriminated against by homophobes in our government.

Im well aware of gay rights issues.  Ive been involved in them for 5 years by working in the gay community and supporting my gay friends during their different efforts to make ground on this issue. Had you not insinuated that I didnt know anything about the movement, it would never have been brought into the conversation.

We can agree to disagree on the rest of what you said.  I have a difficult time having a normal conversation with someone who thinks " that the private sector cannot be trusted to act in the best interest of the public", but I can respect your right to have that opinion.  And with that, Im heading to bed.  Good chat.

mica178

I hope starpeg and hoorayforsoup didn't vote for Obama in 2004, since his official position on marriage at the time was that it was only between a man and a woman.