This makes me sick..

jasmineh7777

Killing an animal is particularly disgusting because they are completely innocent and defenseless.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE!!
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

He already used his Get Out of Jail Free card. This would be his 15th chance. And I'm all out of forgiveness.

Blueyed228

Nugget- I dont think anyone is arguing the worth of the dog.

My point was that since the NFL is a private organization, and can have rules like that, then they should. 

Im not saying the guy should rot in jail for life (although.......).  He should be allowed to live his life, and get a job.  That is his right.   Im just saying that the privilege of playing professional sports shouldn't be one of them.

To add- Ben and Kobe were never convicted of a crime.  I cant hold them to a standard if they didnt violate that standard.   Although personally, they should all be punched in diick repeatedly.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]Killing an animal is particularly disgusting because they are completely innocent and defenseless.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

So if I went up and shot a guy on the street, that would somehow not be as bad as me going up and shooting a dog in the street because the dog is "completely innocent and defenseless."  And what, the guy was maybe kind of a d*ck and should have dodged the bullet?  I'm sorry, but I find that crime much more horrifying than the killing of a dog. 

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]Also, saying "I'm glad you're giving Joe Smith a second chance to contribute productively to society" is not the same as saying "Go you!  VICK IS MY DAWG, YO." 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

Giving him the MVP award kind of is though.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Giving him the MVP award kind of is though.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I'm just talking about Obama.  He should never have gotten the MVP award.  I don't care if he threw 10 touchdowns every game and came up with a cure for cancer. 

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : So if I went up and shot a guy on the street, that would somehow not be as bad as me going up and shooting a dog in the street because the dog is "completely innocent and defenseless."  And what, the guy was maybe kind of a d*ck and should have dodged the bullet?  I'm sorry, but I find that crime much more horrifying than the killing of a dog. 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

if you kidnapped a guy, made him fight to the death with others, then hung him, beat him against the concrete, electrocuted him, drown him, and then finally shot him, you would get life in prison.

If you do it to a dog, you get 22 months.

ETA: Your boss also gets a big fat high five from the pres.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : if you kidnapped a guy, made him fight to the death with others, then hung him, beat him against the concrete, electrocuted him, drown him, and then finally shot him, you would get life in prison. If you do it to a dog, you get 22 months.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Um, okay....so you should get the same prison sentence for doing that to a human as to a dog? 

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : I'm just talking about Obama.  He should never have gotten the MVP award.  I don't care if he threw 10 touchdowns every game and came up with a cure for cancer. 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

They didnt give it out yet, but there was a lot of talk about him getting it.

I think he blew that chance last night with an interception, 2 fumbles, and 6 sacks though.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : So if I went up and shot a guy on the street, that would somehow not be as bad as me going up and shooting a dog in the street because the dog is "completely innocent and defenseless."  And what, the guy was maybe kind of a d*ck and should have dodged the bullet?  I'm sorry, but I find that crime much more horrifying than the killing of a dog. 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying they are comparable. I'm saying why I (and I'm guessing others) are so repulsed by animal abuse of any kind.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Um, okay....so you should get the same prison sentence for doing that to a human as to a dog? 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

No, but 2 years for doing that to multiple dogs doesnt seem to fit the crime.  I think that is what Jas was saying when she mentioned dogs being unable to defend themselves.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : They didnt give it out yet, but there was a lot of talk about him getting it. I think he blew that chance last night with an interception, 2 fumbles, and 6 sacks though.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I will be first in the Pissed Off line if Vick gets an MVP. 

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Um, okay....so you should get the same prison sentence for doing that to a human as to a dog? 
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

Even if you don't consider the life as valuable, the intent is just as sick. You've got to be pretty fvcked in the head to do that to any living creature. So yes, if someone does that to an animal, I sure don't want them walking around.

We already know that those who abuse animals at a young age are far more likely to commit a violent crime. Even if it's "just" a dog, it's a huge indicator of a fvcked up saddist.

NuggetBrain

Like I said, I find crimes against animals disgusting.  I think he should have gotten longer than 22 months.  I think he should never be allowed to own another animal again.  And I think he's a giant twatburger.  I don't, however, think that the life of an animal is equal to the life of a human.  That's all I'm saying. 

Also, I'm not going to let an innocent verdict keep me from thinking someone did something that they probably did and they just happened to get away with it because they were a famous athlete.  Yeah OJ, I'm looking at your crazy ass.

jasmineh7777

And then he wrote that "If I Did It" book. Ugh.

undyingmizery

Anyone else find the fact he can easily do this to so many dogs and not think he did anything wrong... and has kids? This is truly what scares me about this.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Even if you don't consider the life as valuable, the intent is just as sick. You've got to be pretty fvcked in the head to do that to any living creature. <strong>So yes, if someone does that to an animal, I sure don't want them walking around.</strong> We already know that those who abuse animals at a young age are far more likely to commit a violent crime. Even if it's "just" a dog, it's a huge indicator of a fvcked up saddist.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

This is what I mean - so you want them put away for life then, right?  Because otherwise, they're going to be walking around.  And I'm sorry, but I am NOT comfortable with thinking that a life sentence is appropriate for someone who killed a dog, because that's what's appropriate for killing another human being.  And those two just are not the same.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]Like I said, I find crimes against animals disgusting.  I think he should have gotten longer than 22 years.  I think he should never be allowed to own another animal again.  And I think he's a giant twatburger.  I don't, however, think that the life of an animal is equal to the life of a human.  That's all I'm saying. <strong><u> Also, I'm not going to let an innocent verdict keep me from thinking someone did something that they probably did and they just happened to get away with it because they were a famous athlete.  Yeah OJ, I'm looking at your crazy ass.
</u></strong>Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I agree.  I only meant that if the NFL was to make a rule, those people would not be kicked out since they were not convicted.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]Anyone else find the fact he can easily do this to so many dogs and not think he did anything wrong... and has kids? This is truly what scares me about this.
Posted by undyingmizery[/QUOTE]

Like I said, I think it indicates MAJOR psychological problems to find pleasure in the pain of a living creature. I don't think Vick has addressed this issue at all, and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : This is what I mean - so you want them put away for life then, right?  Because otherwise, they're going to be walking around.  And I'm sorry, but I am NOT comfortable with thinking that a life sentence is appropriate for someone who killed a dog, because that's what's appropriate for killing another human being.  And those two just are not the same.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

Can we argree that the punishment for animal abuse should be longer?  Or at least within the sentencing guidelines, not less?

katiewhompus

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : This is what I mean - so you want them put away for life then, right?  Because otherwise, they're going to be walking around.  And I'm sorry, but I am NOT comfortable with thinking that a life sentence is appropriate for someone who killed a dog, because that's what's appropriate for killing another human being.  And those two just are not the same.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure about the life sentence, but it's not just one dog he killed, it was many. Maybe 2 years per dog?

jasmineh7777

Nugget- I would need to see some actual and genuine progress. Behavior doesn't just go away. You either replace it with a new behavior, or you revert to your old behavior. He can no longer fight dogs. Now how will he get that thrill of watching something hurt?
 I think Vick needs serious therapy. I would say the same for anyone convicted of this crime, sexual crimes, etc.

reddy123

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Even if you don't consider the life as valuable, the intent is just as sick. You've got to be pretty fvcked in the head to do that to any living creature. So yes, if someone does that to an animal, I sure don't want them walking around. <strong>We already know that those who abuse animals at a young age are far more likely to commit a violent crime</strong>. Even if it's "just" a dog, it's a huge indicator of a fvcked up saddist.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

<div>See, I was going to post something like this. I believe killing/torturing an animal can escalate. Not always, but it can, and that freaks me out.</div><div>
</div><div>Also, the nature of Vick's crime was horrid, like Blue said, it wasn't just killing a dog or two. I remember seeing ultra violet light footage of the room he did the fighting in, it was unspeakable. I will never forgive him because of that. Ever. Prison time, fines, even NFL banning is nothing compared to the torture he put those dogs through.</div><div>
</div><div>I also agree with Ricks about rehabbing criminals, so there's that too.</div>

Anysunrise

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Can we <strong>argree </strong>that the punishment for animal abuse should be longer?  Or at least within the sentencing guidelines, not less?
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>You totally wanted to say argue there, don't lie =P</div>

katiewhompus

Jas, the sad thing is Vick's little brother is just as bad. He was going the NFL route until he randomly started stomping another player and shattered the guys knee. Then he just kind of dropped off the face of the planet...

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : You totally wanted to say argue there, don't lie =P
Posted by Anysunrise[/QUOTE]

I guess its just not in my nature to agree, lol

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : This is what I mean - so you want them put away for life then, right?  Because otherwise, they're going to be walking around.  <strong>And I'm sorry, but I am NOT comfortable with thinking that a life sentence is appropriate for someone who killed a dog, because that's what's appropriate for killing another human being.  And those two just are not the same.</strong>
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]


Why do you not think they're the same? I'm not asking this in a challenging way, I genuinely want to know your reasoning. Why is a human life more important than a dog's life, to you? I mean, how can you deem one life to be more important than another?

jasmineh7777

Katie- That is just sad. I'm not a sports person at all, but I do see the value it has for people that can use athletics to get scholarships, etc. What is up with this self-destruction tendency?

NuggetBrain

I feel confident saying that I wish Vick had gotten more time, and that he would have had to serve the time he did actually get.  Also, I would have been totally cool with them saying something like "1 year per dog" or something.  Did he get fined?  Because they should have fined his ass like, $250,000 per dog too.  Seriously, for some people you have to hit them in their wallets before they start paying attention.

Blue, I am SO with you on the NFL ban on felonies.  There is NO reason they should be allowing people with felonies to take part in a sport like that anyways.  Criminally violent guys going out every Sunday to bash the hell out of each other in a violent sport?  Yeah, real great idea Commish.

jasmineh7777

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : I guess its just not in my nature to agree, lol
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

But we both agree that Vick is a worthless prick. We agreed! I wrote it on my calendar.