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K&J64

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Sorry, Reddy.  : ( Don't get me wrong, I think good calligraphy is great. I enjoy it and think it's beautiful and a really excellent skill to have. I just think that if you put a nice printed label on an invite (not talking about a free ASPCA return address label with paw prints on it) that it's not a big deal. I wouldn't care if I received one, and if I send them out that way and someone thinks I'm lazy and don't care then they should just decline the invite. We wouldn't want them having to suffer through my lazy, uncaring wedding full of wonderful food, drinks, desserts, dancing etc.<strong> I don't know, to me, it just seems like a minor thing to judge someone for.
</strong>Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

This. I wax sealed my invitations and used printed labels, with carefully selected font because my hand writing is horrendous and the cost of hiring a calligrapher was not in the cards. If people think I'm lazy looking at my invites, that's their issue, not mine.

NatesGirl16

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Sorry, Reddy.  : ( Don't get me wrong, I think good calligraphy is great. I enjoy it and think it's beautiful and a really excellent skill to have. I just think that if you put a nice printed label on an invite <strong>(not talking about a free ASPCA return address label with paw prints on it) </strong>that it's not a big deal. I wouldn't care if I received one, and if I send them out that way and someone thinks I'm lazy and don't care then they should just decline the invite. We wouldn't want them having to suffer through my lazy, uncaring wedding full of wonderful food, drinks, desserts, dancing etc. I don't know, to me, it just seems like a minor thing to judge someone for.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Hehehe

Denise91980

Another opinion...
I am sick of TK's damn cat food commercial!

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : But it's the same the other way too. If they're just prosecuting them because they're on TV (while it was their choice, and I don't agree with it, because they knew this could happen). They should be prosecuting the other polygamists that aren't on TV too. And I feel like they would get a harsher punishment because they are so public.
Posted by crash2729[/QUOTE]
 If someone went on TV and confessed to any other crime, they'd be prosecuted in a second. I don't see the difference. THose that live in hiding are still breaking the law, but its harder to prosecute them because they don't confess on national television. The Browns just basically handed an open and shut case to a prosecutor and now I think its really naive of them to think that this was not a possibility, and for them to question the "morality" of the investigation itself. <div>
</div><div>I guess we need to do more research on how many polygamy convictions take place in Utah. </div>

NatesGirl16

Oh, and yes, dresses are WAY more comfortable, IMO.  Hence, why I wear dresses every.single.day.

shaydenise

See, I used labels on our wedding invites, but I didn't just "slap a label on."  I took the time to design my labels to perfectly match my invitations and look nice.  I even went so far as to make sure they were all lined up exactly the same way, spacing and all.  Weird to most people?  Yeah probably, but I wanted them to look nice which is why I used a label in the first place and not my own sloppy handwriting (we definitely couldn't have hired a calligrapher).

EDIT: as a matter of fact, I didn't even buy pre-made labels lol.  Mine were 8.5x11 sheets and I cut them to size when I was done designing lol.

OBX2011

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[QUOTE]I believe that manufacturers of birth control pills should add cranberry extract to their BCPs, so that I don't have to take cranberry supplements everyday to prevent the UTIs that I'm so susceptible to. They do it with Folate, why not cranberry too? ETA: this is just me being lazy and not taking my cranberry until it's too late and I just wind up in the ER for hours so I can get antibiotics. I tried having my doc put it in my medical record that I can call in, tell him my symptoms, and then get a 'scrip done up at Walgreens, but no luck. Stupid doctor.
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]

Ohhhhh how I hate these!  Have you tried Uri-Stat?  Its over the counter and is just like Pyridium (the pain reliever for UTI's that make your pee look like orange kool-aid) just to help relieve the pain until the doc's call in a script?  The pain is the worst part....maybe this will help aleviate (sp?) until you can see the Dr :)

NuggetBrain

I think you're perfectly fine in having expectations of your bridal party greater than "buy a dress and show up."  That party line kinda pisses me off.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with asking your parents if they're going to be helping you out with the wedding when you're setting up the budget.  They're your parents, for Godssake.  They've wiped your butt, I hardly think they're going to be grossly offended at being asked a fairly simple question.

 

reddy123

Exactly Shay. I think I have it crammed in my brain from orchestra trips we took in full garb, now, as long as I'm not wearing panty hose, I'm a happy camper on a plane.

I always think I'm representing my country or region, even checking into a hotel or on a plane. 

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions :  <strong>If someone went on TV and confessed to any other crime, they'd be prosecuted in a second.</strong> I don't see the difference. THose that live in hiding are still breaking the law, but its harder to prosecute them because they don't confess on national television. The Browns just basically handed an open and shut case to a prosecutor and now I think its really naive of them to think that this was not a possibility, and for them to question the "morality" of the investigation itself.  I guess we need to do more research on how many polygamy convictions take place in Utah. 
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

is that true? I'm only asking because what about when you see shows like True Life (on MTV) or Intervention? Those people are not only admitting to buying drugs and doing drugs, but they are even filmed doing so. But I never see the cops busting them. Although maybe we just don't hear about it.

Sweded

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : That's just the thing. I don't care. I don't care about a label on a piece of paper that tells the USPS where to drop something off and which will be promptly thrown in a garbage and end up in a landfill somewhere. But that's just me.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

This.  Also, call me lazy all you want.  Not writing them out myself is a service to my guests...and the post office.

I have many opinions on wedding etiquette that are unpopular:
-I don't think cash bars a re a big deal.  I think the people who say things like "I would leave" or "I wouldn't go to" a wedding because of them are bigger assholes than the B&G (or whomever is hosting). 
-I think BMs have a lot more responsibility than just buying a dress and showing up.  They're not slaves, but in my circle when you accept someone's invitation to be in their wedding party, you plan on helping host the pre-wedding parties and being there if the bride needs someone to go to a fitting or run errands with.
-I think even following proper etiquette, not everyone is going to be happy.  So, I don't see any problem bending some of the rules.  I think there is a grey area between following etiquette to  the letter and being totally rude. 

KatyRoseM

I think if you brag on TV about breaking the law you should be prosecuted.  I don't buy that they are doing anything different than that.  I also think they are intending to be prosecuted.  They are the perfect family to try to overturn the law (its a questionable law, and a questionable interpretation).  I don't buy that they weren't trying to do this.   Its a good plan, people like them and can see that they are not abusive, or whatever.  It annoys me that they are acting surprised or like it wasn't their plan. 

I also think its fine to think your BM's should do more than show up, they are your friends, I expect a lot from my friends.  I also don't think there is anything wrong with making them match. 

reddy123

LTZ- I think it's all about traditions. In our modern world of technology, I imagine they made the handwritten-only wedding rule, to show that the art and care of letter writing is still alive today and if we can save it for one thing, it should be something special like a wedding invitation.

I don't judge the person for doing it by any means (big wedding here, I understand), but it still really bums me out to see, because it shows the evolution of the written word, and how we are steering away from handwriting, even for special occasions. So, I don't judge the person, but it makes me really sad because there are parts of me that love tradition. It's not my say whether someone else holds up any tradition though *shrug*

mehgank

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : Ohhhhh how I hate these!  Have you tried Uri-Stat?  Its over the counter and is just like Pyridium (the pain reliever for UTI's that make your pee look like orange kool-aid) just to help relieve the pain until the doc's call in a script?  The pain is the worst part....maybe this will help aleviate (sp?) until you can see the Dr :)
Posted by OBX2011[/QUOTE]

I've actually been taking Cystex, which I <em>love</em>. It's like night and day with those things; they're miracle workers. I just think it would be way more convenient to have it already in something that I take daily, so I don't have to take additional supplements in conjunction with my BCPs.

shaydenise

reddy, I can understand that reasoning and that makes total sense.  I can see where people would feel that way about it.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]LTZ- I think it's all about traditions. In our modern world of technology, I imagine they made the handwritten-only wedding rule, to show that the art and care of letter writing is still alive today and if we can save it for one thing, it should be something special like a wedding invitation. I don't judge the person for doing it by any means (big wedding here, I understand), but it still really bums me out to see, because it shows the evolution of the written word, and how we are steering away from handwriting, even for special occasions. So, I don't judge the person, but it makes me really sad because there are parts of me that love tradition. It's not my say whether someone else holds up any tradition though *shrug*
Posted by reddy123[/QUOTE]

I hear you. I plan on handwriting mine actually, but I also wouldn't think twice about using a label if needed.

I understand the tradition too. Unfortunately, it's just not affordable for me or I'd love to use a calligrapher. I used to have a bunch of calligraphy pens and could do it myself. Maybe I'll give that a try.

SarahPLiz

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : is that true? I'm only asking because what about when you see shows like True Life (on MTV) or Intervention? Those people are not only admitting to buying drugs and doing drugs, but they are even filmed doing so. But I never see the cops busting them. Although maybe we just don't hear about it.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

<div>I don't know about True Life, but I do know that in Intervention they often use the police as a catalyst to get people to accept help. They have called them and had them arrested before. I'm pretty sure that by the time those shows air, the people have already been through recovery and are on their way to a better place, so putting them in jail for using wouldn't really serve a purpose, not that putting Kody Brown in jail serves a purpose either, beyond getting his ugly hair off my TV. </div><div>
</div><div>I just read an article about why Utah doesn't end up prosecuting more polygamist families. I'll try to find it again. Basically, if they find one, they can investigate, but they don't see it worth their time to prosecute if they don't find some form of child abuse, because they don't have enough funding to go to trial on lesser cases where no "victim" can be identified.</div><div>
</div><div>My opinion is simply that people who break a law shouldn't expect not to be prosecuted for it, especially when they do it on national TV. </div><div>
</div><div>ETA: Its a 3 pager: <a href="http://www.helium.com/items/1381813-why-the-state-of-utah-does-not-prosecute-polygamy">http://www.helium.com/items/1381813-why-the-state-of-utah-does-not-prosecute-polygamy</a></div>

K&J64

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[QUOTE]LTZ- I think it's all about traditions. In our modern world of technology, I imagine they made the handwritten-only wedding rule, to show that the art and care of letter writing is still alive today and if we can save it for one thing, it should be something special like a wedding invitation. I don't judge the person for doing it by any means (big wedding here, I understand), but it still really bums me out to see, because it shows the evolution of the written word, and how we are steering away from handwriting, even for special occasions. So, I don't judge the person, but it makes me really sad because there are parts of me that love tradition. It's not my say whether someone else holds up any tradition though *shrug*
Posted by reddy123[/QUOTE]


I get that, sort of. The invitations are printed, so what's the big deal. I think it's worse if you print your thank you cards or have generic printed Christmas/holiday cards (even ones with cute photos of your kids) that you mass mail. It's an address. These other things are your actual thanks or greetings to others and should be personal, handwritten etc.

ETA:  I would have gladly handwritten my addresses on the envelopes, if I had decent handwriting. But I couldn't bring myself to scribble all over the most expensive paper I've ever bought. I feel your nostalgia, I do. And if money we no issue I would have hired a calligrapher too. I think that's why it annoys me when people judge, chances are the couple cannot write them well enough themselves and cannot afford to hire someone else to do it. It's hardly laziness.

Sweded

Since we're talking about it.  I'm not so sure I feel polygamy should be illegal.  Who is it hurting if people want to enter into a consensual marriage that way?

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I don't know about True Life, but I do know that in Intervention they often use the police as a catalyst to get people to accept help. They have called them and had them arrested before. I'm pretty sure that by the time those shows air, the people have already been through recovery and are on their way to a better place, so putting them in jail for using wouldn't really serve a purpose, not that putting Kody Brown in jail serves a purpose either, beyond getting his ugly hair off my TV.  I just read an article about why Utah doesn't end up prosecuting more polygamist families. I'll try to find it again. Basically, if they find one, they can investigate, but they don't see it worth their time to prosecute if they don't find some form of child abuse, because they don't have enough funding to go to trial on lesser cases where no "victim" can be identified. <strong>My opinion is simply that people who break a law shouldn't expect not to be prosecuted for it, especially when they do it on national TV</strong>.  ETA: Its a 3 pager:  <a href="http://www.helium.com/items/1381813-why-the-state-of-utah-does-not-prosecute-polygamy" rel='nofollow'>http://www.helium.com/items/1381813-why-the-state-of-utah-does-not-prosecute-polygamy</a>
Posted by SarahPLiz[/QUOTE]

Oh ok, I see what you mean. I always wondered about that.

I absolutely agree witht he bolded too.

kd.joseph

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[QUOTE]Pepsi is way better than coke. That's probably an unpopular opinion.   : )
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

My Opinion is that you are right!

crash2729

This (<- link) is all I could find about how often polygamists are actually prosecuted.

But I think they should have known the state would come after them..I mean, Kody may be a dummy but I don't think he's that much of a dummy.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : My Opinion is that you are right!
Posted by kd.joseph[/QUOTE]

High Five!

KatyRoseM

The biggest reason Utah doesn't prosecute is because they don't know.  Also they don't want the publicity.  They know now, and have the publicity already.  Actively flaunting the law should be punished. 

Again, I believe they want to be taken into court.  This is exactly what polygamists do when they want to push the issue. 

cupcakesfrosting

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[QUOTE]Since we're talking about it.  I'm not so sure I feel polygamy should be illegal.  Who is it hurting if people want to enter into a consensual marriage that way?
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

I think that for it to be a legal polygamist relationship, ALL of the wives/husbands need to be in love with each other. Not just one guy decided he wanted 7 wives and they went along with it.

KatyRoseM

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[QUOTE]Since we're talking about it.  I'm not so sure I feel polygamy should be illegal.  Who is it hurting if people want to enter into a consensual marriage that way?
Posted by Sweded[/QUOTE]

Maybe it shouldn't, but it is.  Further just living together and saying your married is illegal in Utah.  I believe the point of Sister Wives is to get that holding overturned. 

As for if its hurting people, I think its important to add they arn't even demanding the legal privileges, which to me makes it even stupider that it is illegal. 

pirategal03

I'm not going to lie y'all, I sometimes judge based on the label thing.  Not always, not even most of the time, but sometimes.  If I got a labeled invite similar to what Shay described, I'd probably have a completely different reaction than I had to the one I received last month that was a crooked white label on a cream envelope with our name spelled wrong.  (and yes, we're declining the invitation, although not only for the label).  If I can tell that you care, then I'm not going to judge based on a label. 

But, I'd personally rather receive hand-written chicken scratch then most of the labeled invitations I get. 

specialk84

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : YES! when I go to a restaurant and I ask for Sprite and they just bring me sierra mist makes me so mad. It's not the same. At least tell me first so I can choose something else.
Posted by crash2729[/QUOTE]

<div>When I order a Diet Coke and the server says, "Is Diet Pepsi okay?" I'm always tempted to say, "Sure, if Monopoly money is okay for my bill."</div><div>
</div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;" class="Apple-style-span"><em>Opinion:
It's possible to be dressed comfortably without looking like you just rolled out</em></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;" class="Apple-style-span"><em> of bed and walked out the door in your PJs!</em></span><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;" class="Apple-style-span"><em>
</em></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;" class="Apple-style-span">Last term, I sat behind a bunch of girls in my criminal law class who always showed up with messy hair and pajama pants to a 3pm class.  I just cannot understand why someone would wear pajamas outside the house.  FSIL keeps trying to explain it to me, but I just can't wrap my head around it.</span></div></div>

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Opinions : I think that for it to be a legal polygamist relationship, ALL of the wives/husbands need to be in love with each other. Not just one guy decided he wanted 7 wives and they went along with it.
Posted by cupcakesfrosting[/QUOTE]

I don't know that there's any way to measure or prove that though.

reddy123

Sweded- you mean 'legal' right? If so, I agree. They are not hurting anyone, unless it is illegal and they are marked 'single with 4 kids' by the state and receiving insane state aid per household. If it was legal, we could keep track of this better.

ETA- NM misread Sweded's first post, I agree with it, she meant 'illegal'