WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not

aragx6

The suicide thing is straight bullshit. Suicide by handgun has a success rate of more than 97%. Slitting of one's wrists, taking pills and carbon monoxide poisoning have success rates in the 60s - 80s. Someone making a first time suicide attempt is more likely to survive it if a gun is not the tool used. 

From the Journal of Trauma (1998) "It was found that for every time a household gun was used for self-defense, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."

http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/

Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Yum. One of my brothers is big into hunting AND knows how to cook it in amazing ways. He is coming to town on Friday and I can hardly wait!
Posted by willywally5[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Venison burgers...yum.</div><div>
</div><div>Venison sausage and okra gumbo...double yum. </div><div>
</div><div>I may just have to go deer hunting this year. My cousin has a nice piece of property that I can use...he's fun to hunt with, too.</div>

ErinG93

Musical, the jail here is pre and post conviction depending on the sentence. The jail my H works at also houses some federal inmates. That might be confusing, but let's say Joe grabs his shotgun and robs the local bank. He goes to stay with my H until sentencing. If he gets over 365 days for his sentence, he goes to prison. If it's less, he stays with my H until he has served his time.

Federal inmates go to the jail here for variety of reasons. Example A: Child molester A has served 6 of 10 years and with good time is expected to be out in X amount of time. He shows no violence. He may serve out the rest of his sentence in the jail here. Example B: Gang member inmate serves sentence in the jail here because he fears for his life and somehow has convinced the court he belongs here. I don't really know exact details, and I made up these examples so I might be wrong.

But yeah, H has both federal, as well as pre and post conviction inmates. On gun stuff: H has his CC permit and I'm glad. We have a gun safe, where the guns stay 99% of the time.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

haha.

ErinG93

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[QUOTE]haha.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>One of my FB friends posted this the other day. People started debating gun control law in the comments and she commented, "I don't understand why people are randomly arguing about guns here...." Um, duh?

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Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]The suicide thing is straight bullshit. Suicide by handgun has a success rate of more than 97%. Slitting of one's wrists, taking pills and carbon monoxide poisoning have success rates in the 60s - 80s. Someone making a first time suicide attempt is more likely to survive it if a gun is not the tool used.  From the Journal of Trauma (1998) "It was found that for every time a household gun was used for self-defense, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." <a href="http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/</a>
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Brady is biased. So is the NRA, for that matter. Both have agendas.  I have no clue what the Journal of Trauma is, but will check it out, and those stats are old if you're using a reference from 1998. </div><div>
</div><div>I'm not saying that guns aren't dangerous...they are in the hands of criminals and stupid people. That's no reason to ban them or make them harder to get. They're already hard to get for law abiding citizens. Sadly it's not the case for criminals. </div><div>
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AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : One of my FB friends posted this the other day. People started debating gun control law in the comments and she commented, "I don't understand why people are randomly arguing about guns here...." Um, duh?
Posted by ErinG93[/QUOTE]


There is a lot of stupid garbage on facebook right now.

In fact here is one I found funny -


<a href="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/images/store/1/4/11724bd1-6255-4c01-a453-d292a6d6b276.large.jpg" title="Click to view a larger photo" class="PhotoLink"> <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/images/store/1/4/11724bd1-6255-4c01-a453-d292a6d6b276.medium.jpg" alt="" /></a>

See that?  <strong>Guns</strong> murdered?  How interesting.  I mean, I can get behind that people <em>used</em> guns to murder, but I've never seen a gun murder.  Kwim?

The gun debate makes me kinda squicky.  I mean, I can respect that not everyone is going to love guns.  I don't even like guns.  I don't have guns, never shot a gun, my husband doesn't have guns and doesn't hunt, we just aren't all up in the gun-ness.  But I respect guns.  I respect people who respect guns.  And I think no matter what we do to tighten the regulations on guns, criminals are always going to get guns.  Amen, period, the end.  Criminals don't give a rip.  That's what scares me, not people with concealed carry permits.

Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : There is a lot of stupid garbage on facebook right now. In fact here is one I found funny - See that?  Guns murdered?  How interesting.  I mean, I can get behind that people used guns to murder, but I've never seen a gun murder.  Kwim? The gun debate makes me kinda squicky.  I mean, I can respect that not everyone is going to love guns.  I don't even like guns.  I don't have guns, never shot a gun, my husband doesn't have guns and doesn't hunt, we just aren't all up in the gun-ness.  But I respect guns.  I respect people who respect guns.  <strong>And I think no matter what we do to tighten the regulations on guns, criminals are always going to get guns.  Amen, period, the end</strong>.  <strong>Criminals don't give a rip.  That's what scares me, not people with concealed carry permits.</strong>
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]<div>
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aragx6

How many people do you think would have been killed and injured if Holmes had had three or four handguns and 1 rifle?

Assault rifles have one and only one purpose. Killing people. They're not for protection, they're not concealable and they're not for hunting. Why are they legal? Why would anyone who doesn't want to kill people want them to be?

willywally5

We actually have a shitpile of guns. H was a big hunter. But, he can't shoot anymore since the crash. (Not strong enough to handle the recoil.) They are all locked up safely. I have never shot any of them, but have shot other guns in my lifetime. Am actually (or was, anyway) a really good shot. 

On a happy note for H, he is taking a bow hunting course Saturday because he and his doc think he would physically be able to handle that. I hope so. It's so great when we find a way to modify something he used to love so he can still do it. 

aragx6

Lizzie, feel free to look into the Journal of Trauma. They're quite well respected and have no affiliation with Brady.

And you think those stats have significantly changed since 1998? That makes very little sense to me.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

Arag, the Virgina Tech shooter used two hand guns.  He managed to do quite a number on that campus.

aragx6

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[QUOTE]<strong>Because they are fun to shoot at targets.</strong>  Also, shotguns (like the one he had) do a lot of damage too, and are also not concealable.
Posted by crfb87[/QUOTE]

That is seriously one of the stupidest fuucking things I've ever read on this forum. And I do mean that.

I think it's time I get that pot roast in the dinner and then hit spin class. This thread is making me inordinately upset.

calixtine

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[QUOTE]Because they are fun to shoot at targets.  Also, shotguns (like the one he had) do a lot of damage too, and are also not concealable.
Posted by crfb87[/QUOTE]

Something being fun is not a good basis for determining the legality of something.  Marijuana is fun too but that is illegal and you can't kill anyone with weed.  So no, that is not a valid argument for why a weapon should be legal or not.

ErinG93

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Look, I don't share opinions with a number of people here, but this one bread is no reason to GBCK. Just back out, and find something else to read.
Posted by mrs.jesse[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Mrs. Jesse, what are the gun laws like in your area of Canada? I'm really uneducated about that stuff, but interested!

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Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]How many people do you think would have been killed and injured if Holmes had had three or four handguns and 1 rifle? Assault rifles have one and only one purpose. Killing people. They're not for protection, they're not concealable and they're not for hunting. Why are they legal? Why would anyone who doesn't want to kill people want them to be?
Posted by aragx6[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>And he had no dings on his record to prevent him from getting the assault weapons, either. So does that mean we ban assault weapons for everyone...except the criminal who can get them from other criminals?</div><div>
</div><div>Massacres like this will happen, regardless. </div><div>
</div><div>What's to say that if assault weapons were banned that he wouldn't have used just hand guns or a shot gun? Or bombs? Or grenades?  </div><div>
</div><div>Weapons are forbidden on airplanes...that didn't stop the Richard Reid from trying to use his tidy whities from trying to explode an airplane in the sky.  That didn't stop terrorists from attempting to smuggle liquids onto various planes that could be combined to make an explosive.  If someone wants to massacre a bunch of people, they will find a way to do it, or try to do it.</div><div>
</div><div>All that denying weapons to law abiding citizens will do is enable the criminal to prey more easily on the populace. </div><div>
</div><div>  Rifles can kill, so can hand guns...clips are easy to eject and popping a new one in is very swift, especially with practice.</div><div>
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</div><div>EDIT: My bad. Reid was the shoe bomber...not the tidy whitie bomber. I can't remember his name.  </div>

calixtine

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : And he had no dings on his record to prevent him from getting the assault weapons, either. So does that mean we ban assault weapons for everyone...except the criminal who can get them from other criminals? Massacres like this will happen, regardless.  What's to say that if assault weapons were banned that he wouldn't have used just hand guns or a shot gun? Or bombs? Or grenades?   Weapons are forbidden on airplanes...that didn't stop the Richard Reid from trying to use his tidy whities from trying to explode an airplane in the sky.  That didn't stop terrorists from attempting to smuggle liquids onto various planes that could be combined to make an explosive.  If someone wants to massacre a bunch of people, they will find a way to do it, or try to do it. All that denying weapons to law abiding citizens will do is enable the criminal to prey more easily on the populace.    Rifles can kill, so can hand guns...clips are easy to eject and popping a new one in is very swift, especially with practice. EDIT: My bad. Reid was the shoe bomber...not the tidy whitie bomber. I can't remember his name.  
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]

Is the phrase tidy whitey or tighty whitey?  I always thought it was tighty as in my tight, white underwear really showcases my junk.  But now I'm concerned I was wrong all these years....

LDYGTR13

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Have fun at spin class.
Posted by crfb87[/QUOTE]

That made me snort. I had to look back and see if she, in fact, mentioned spin class or you were just Beetlejuicing her.

ErinG93

Mrs. Jesse, thanks! I didn't realize it wasn't provincial. The more you know. I actually don't know about storage laws here, or if there are any. I will ask H about WA.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

How can you get really good at shooting if you don't shoot at... targets?

Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Is the phrase tidy whitey or tighty whitey?  I always thought it was tighty as in my tight, white underwear really showcases my junk.  But now I'm concerned I was wrong all these years....
Posted by calixtine[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Tidy, as in neat...that's how I always understood it. Could be that I'm wrong, though.</div><div>
</div><div>I prefer boxer briefs, though  <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div>

Lizzieyounce

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Is the phrase tidy whitey or tighty whitey?  I always thought it was tighty as in my tight, white underwear really showcases my junk.  But now I'm concerned I was wrong all these years....
Posted by calixtine[/QUOTE]

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</div><div>Tidy, as in neat...that's how I always understood it. Could be that I'm wrong, though.</div><div>
</div><div>I prefer boxer briefs, though  <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-wink.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></div>

aragx6

I really am leaving for the day now and hope I made my points as well as I hoped too. No intention of GBCKing -- just leaving a thread I'm done with. My apologies if that was unclear.

G'night all.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : i It is interesting to me that you see owning guns of any kind a natural right. I'm kind of a Hobbes girl myself, so I tend to think of natural rights As man using his own power to preserve his own nature/life? Does your idea of natural rights come from Locke's notion of Liberty? Or why do you think gun ownership is a natural right?
Posted by mrs.jesse[/QUOTE]


I think many people view gun ownership as part of their right to property.  Right to own the property, and right to protect their property.

Lizzieyounce

At the risk of all thinking that I'm going to check the pot roast...I have to finish addressing the STD's.  Only 20 more to go, then they can get mailed. 

I just want to get it done, KWIM?