I Judge

kikibaby

Y'know, as much as I don't necessarily agree with PETA's tactics, there was a thread on SB yesterday that I was totally judging.  It was spun off from the PP who was talking about buying good dog food.  She said iams is crappy dog food, so another poster started a thread that was basically like "PETA is stupid, fur and meat are awesome!  YAY FUR, HUNTING, AND MEAT!"

Oh, and fur and meat chick also loves to breed dogs.  So, full circle here.

laladypoet

oooh! I have a story!

my friend mary and her boyfriend jon dated for 9 years. then mary moves to Dallas to go to acting school, while jon stayed behind to sell the house. it was understood that he would move up to Dallas as well, and go to school and he and mary would live together and get married. jon was asking my husband about rings 2 months ago.
well, jon works at a bar, and there was a new waitress. I can't stand her. she's cute enough to make good tips from the old dudes that go in there, but she has to use a fake baby voice to make sure she gets paid. one night, I saw jon and the new waitress flirting very inappropriately, and I asked him what the hell he was doing. he said "Oh, mary knows about this girl, me and mary make fun of her all the time, we call her 'baby gap' cause her clothes are too small for her, don't worry." uh huh. I went to visit mary a couple weeks later and I told her about it, and she brushed it off.

then a month ago, mary calls me and says she hasn't talked to jon for two weeks. she'll call and call, but he turns his phone off. she doesn't know what's going on. then another week goes by and she's beside herself, calling me every day to obsess about it (understandable).

well, last week I went to the bar and saw jon and the new waitress kissing. they were doing it out in the open. and a mutual friend of mine and jon's told me that jon and this girl are living together and he's saying he's single. so the next time mary called me (the next day) she asked me if I knew anything, and I had to tell her.

I guess I'm telling this story because I've done a lot of judging in this situation. I judge guys who don't want to be the bad guy and break up so they just treat the girlfriend like crap so the girlfriend will break up with them. I judge homewreckers (who know that a guy is in a relationship and sleeps with him anyway). I also judge mary's other friends who knew about this a month ago and didn't tell her. and lastly, I'm mad because now jon and a few other people are mad at me for telling mary about it.

that story is boring unless you're involved in it. oh well.

ETA: changed the names. cause, duh.

andyandhillary

The foster child and shelter dog comparison is interesting.  Are all you pro-shelter dog/anti-breeder dog people going to adopt children or just breed your own?  Dogs and humans are obviously extremely different but it irks me when people play the hero of the world role but then are hypocritical. 

kris10royal

I judge my FSIL for saying for the past 2 years that FSMIL was faking having cancer and saying horrible things to FFIL and FMIL (who is friends with FSMIL) about catering to her. FSMIL passed away Tuesday and FSIL has been at FFIL house since acting like she and FSMIL were BFFs and fussing at FI for not being there the whole time (he's been sick as a dog) but yet, he was the one who stayed with FFIL every night (with the exception of 2 nights) for the past 3 weeks to help take care of FSMIL.

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]oooh! I have a story! my friend amy and her boyfriend tom dated for 9 years. then amy moves to Dallas to go to acting school, while tom stayed behind to sell the house. it was understood that he would move up to Dallas as well, and go to school and he and amy would live together and get married. tom was asking my husband about rings 2 months ago. well, tom works at a bar, and there was a new waitress. I can't stand her. she's cute enough to make good tips from the old dudes that go in there, but she has to use a fake baby voice to make sure she gets paid. one night, I saw tom and the new waitress flirting very inappropriately, and I asked him what the hell he was doing. he said "Oh, amy knows about this girl, me and amy make fun of her all the time, we call her 'baby gap' cause her clothes are too small for her, don't worry." uh huh. I went to visit amy a couple weeks later and I told her about it, and she brushed it off. then a month ago, amy calls me and says she hasn't talked to tom for two weeks. she'll call and call, but he turns his phone off. she doesn't know what's going on. then another week goes by and she's beside herself, calling me every day to obsess about it (understandable). well, last week I went to the bar and saw tom and the new waitress kissing. they were doing it out in the open. and a mutual friend of mine and tom's told me that tom and this girl are living together and he's saying he's single. so the next time amy called me (the next day) she asked me if I knew anything, and I had to tell her. I guess I'm telling this story because I've done a lot of judging in this situation. I judge guys who don't want to be the bad guy and break up so they just treat the girlfriend like crap so the girlfriend will break up with them. I judge homewreckers (who know that a guy is in a relationship and sleeps with him anyway). I also judge amy's other friends who knew about this a month ago and didn't tell her. and lastly, I'm mad because now tom and a few other people are mad at me for telling amy about it. that story is boring unless you're involved in it. oh well.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

I didn't read that lala.  I started to.  Then I thought about this guy Tom that I know and how he's into ren fairs and does the whole live action role play thing.

Then I thought about lunch.  Because I'm hungry.

polichik

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[QUOTE]oooh! I have a story! my friend amy and her boyfriend tom dated for 9 years. then amy moves to Dallas to go to acting school, while tom stayed behind to sell the house. it was understood that he would move up to Dallas as well, and go to school and he and amy would live together and get married. tom was asking my husband about rings 2 months ago. well, tom works at a bar, and there was a new waitress. I can't stand her. she's cute enough to make good tips from the old dudes that go in there, but she has to use a fake baby voice to make sure she gets paid. one night, I saw tom and the new waitress flirting very inappropriately, and I asked him what the hell he was doing. he said "Oh, amy knows about this girl, me and amy make fun of her all the time, we call her 'baby gap' cause her clothes are too small for her, don't worry." uh huh. I went to visit amy a couple weeks later and I told her about it, and she brushed it off. then a month ago, amy calls me and says she hasn't talked to tom for two weeks. she'll call and call, but he turns his phone off. she doesn't know what's going on. then another week goes by and she's beside herself, calling me every day to obsess about it (understandable). well, last week I went to the bar and saw tom and the new waitress kissing. they were doing it out in the open. and a mutual friend of mine and tom's told me that tom and this girl are living together and he's saying he's single. so the next time amy called me (the next day) she asked me if I knew anything, and I had to tell her. I guess I'm telling this story because I've done a lot of judging in this situation. I judge guys who don't want to be the bad guy and break up so they just treat the girlfriend like crap so the girlfriend will break up with them. I judge homewreckers (who know that a guy is in a relationship and sleeps with him anyway). I also judge amy's other friends who knew about this a month ago and didn't tell her. and lastly, I'm mad because now tom and a few other people are mad at me for telling amy about it. that story is boring unless you're involved in it. oh well.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

Wow. What an asshole. At least she found out before they got married, but... UGH.

danieliza1127

It seems like these threads always turn into dog discussions - pitbulls or breeders or whatever.  That's pretty much all I have to contribute.

kikibaby

That's sucky, lala.  Tom should have just broken up with Amy if he didn't want to move up there and be with her anymore.  Way to be ballless.  No way should anyone be mad at you for telling her- she deserved to know so she can stop wasting her time with him.

mags0607

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[QUOTE]The foster child and shelter dog comparison is interesting.  Are all you pro-shelter dog/anti-breeder dog people going to adopt children or just breed your own?  Dogs and humans are obviously extremely different but it irks me when people play the hero of the world role but then are hypocritical. 
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]


I think people should stop and think of the long-term consequences before they get animal, and much more importantly before they procreate. Maybe if people were smarter in both instances, we would have less shelter dogs, and less children in the foster care system.

I know dog ownership and having children cannot even begin to compare to one another, but I judge the stupidity of some people that treat other living things like they are expendable.

laladypoet

has that happened to anyone else (the guy being a diick to you so you break up with him)? my last boyfriend did that, and it took me FOREVER to take the hint. my friend picked up on it faster than I did but hell, they've been together forever. I feel bad for her.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : I think it's fine to have an affinity for a certain kind of dog, but there are thousands of doxies in shelters and breed-specific rescues across the country.  I just looked on Petfinder for doxies in my area and there are 5,500 available for adoption nationwide, 70 within 100 miles of my house.  There are good breeders out there that have dogs with titles and genetic testing and work to preserve and better the breed standard and I'm fine with that.  Problem is, 95% of "breeders" are total crap.  AKC means nothing.  People are getting hoodwinked and thousands of shelter dogs die every day as a result.
Posted by Brie2010[/QUOTE]
Ok, I can get down with that. I was just curious, so I wanted you to elaborate further. FWIW, all the dogs that I personally have acquired as an adult (2) were from idiots who didn't get their dogs fixed and had a litter of puppies accidentally. I guess I sort of classify them as rescue dogs. I rescued them from morons who didn't want them.

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : I didn't read that lala.  I started to.  Then I thought about this guy Tom that I know and how he's into ren fairs and does the whole live action role play thing. Then I thought about lunch.  Because I'm hungry.
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]
I dated a guy named Tom. I've decided that I don't like any Toms.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : I never said ALL dogs.  Ever. I also never said ALL breeders.  REPUTABLE breeders and the owner still needs to be responsible. I also said ADULT dogs, not puppies. So.  Yeah.
Posted by wadingmoose[/QUOTE]

I agree with everything youve said. Adult dogs, regardless of whether they were abused or came from a good home, will have ingrained behaviors that will be hard to fix. You have no idea what kind of temperment they might have for different situations.

I also have to add that I got my dog from a breeder, a reputable one, and I wouldnt give up the experience I had for the world. I knew about my dog, I knew about its parents, for months before he was even born. I have photos of him 1 week old. I have basically seen his temperment since he was 2 months old, and been able to train him into the dog I want. I think there is something to be said for experiencing those things with your dog - you dont get that if you buy a rescue dog whos history you know nothing about.

mags0607

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[QUOTE]has that happened to anyone else (the guy being a diick to you so you break up with him)? my last boyfriend did that, and it took me FOREVER to take the hint. my friend picked up on it faster than I did but hell, they've been together forever. I feel bad for her.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]


This has happened to me. Its a sucky situation, and I always hope Karma bites people that treat someone else like crap so they don't have to be the bad guy.

AmoroAgain

Lala, I ruined a great friendship because my friend was a homewrecker.  She knew that the guy was married, and began a relationship with him anyway.

laladypoet

NEBB!!
hi.
::smiles shyly::

Brie2010

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[QUOTE]The foster child and shelter dog comparison is interesting.  Are all you pro-shelter dog/anti-breeder dog people going to adopt children or just breed your own?  Dogs and humans are obviously extremely different but it irks me when people play the hero of the world role but then are hypocritical. 
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

We don't execute children in foster care.  That's the difference.

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]Lala, I ruined a great friendship because my friend was a homewrecker.  She knew that the guy was married, and began a relationship with him anyway.
Posted by AmoroAgain[/QUOTE]
ah hell. that's sucky. it's awesome that you called her on it, though. a lot of people wouldn't.
reason # elevendy why I lurve you.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]NEBB!! hi. ::smiles shyly::
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

*waves* hello darling :)

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : We don't execute children in foster care.  That's the difference.
Posted by Brie2010[/QUOTE]
I wish daff was here.

AmoroAgain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : ah hell. that's sucky. it's awesome that you called her on it, though. a lot of people wouldn't. reason # elevendy why I lurve you.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]
Aww... shmanks.  :D  She doesn't feel the same, I assure you. lol

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : *waves* hello darling :)
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

so how you been?

rak123

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[QUOTE]Y'know, as much as I don't necessarily agree with PETA's tactics, there was a thread on SB yesterday that I was totally judging.  It was spun off from the PP who was talking about buying good dog food.  She said iams is crappy dog food, so another poster started a thread that was basically like "PETA is stupid, fur and meat are awesome!  YAY FUR, HUNTING, AND MEAT!" Oh, and fur and meat chick also loves to breed dogs.  So, full circle here.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that was me.  Someone was asking Katie why Iams is not considered a good dog food.  I posted some PETA links as to why some people don't like Iams, and also the link to Dog Food Analysis which lists their crappy ingredients.  I didn't realize the OP did a spin-off on PETA until this morning.  So, I missed out on that fun.  And the OP is a breeder.  I would think reputable breeders would know more about good ingredients in dog foods...

But yeah, this thread is all about dogs now.

AmoroAgain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : I wish daff was here.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]
I guess that is what abortions are?  A bunch of kids that would have ended up in foster care possibly, or in the system in another way.


ETA:  Oops, I quoted the wrong thing.

laladypoet

I love dogs.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]has that happened to anyone else (the guy being a diick to you so you break up with him)? my last boyfriend did that, and it took me FOREVER to take the hint. my friend picked up on it faster than I did but hell, they've been together forever. I feel bad for her.
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]
They guy wasn't a diick in the sense that he was outwardly mean to me or anything. But he was hiding a lot of drug and alcohol abuse that he knew I had a problem with. All of our friends knew that he was doing a bunch of coke while I wasn't around, and knew that that would be a deal breaker for me, but no one saw fit to tell me. In retrospect, I should have seen it for what it was and gotten out way before I did, but perception is reality and I guess I saw what I wanted to see in him.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : so how you been?
Posted by laladypoet[/QUOTE]

Ive been busy as shiit!! Good though :) Hows about yourself. See theres a new stephen king book coming out this fall?

laladypoet

for some reason, when that girl mentioned her boyfriend disappearing and not returning her calls and all that (in the thread where ziti called her a nag), it made me think of this situation.

wadingmoose

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : We don't execute children in foster care.  That's the difference.
Posted by Brie2010[/QUOTE]


I volunteer for two shelters who only kill for health or serious behaviour problems.

I also missed the thread where you were throwing out random statistics about the % of breeders that are reputable.

First.  If you're going to get a dog from a breeder, you need to do your research, beyond the AKC. Really.  Gah.   In most cases, a breeder will have most of the puppies spoken for before the dog is bred, so you can't just stop in a pick a puppy on a whim.

You've made a decision about bred dogs and that's fine.  But it might be helpful if you actually read what people are saying to you rather that spouting off rhetoric and false statistics.

I'm talking about the realities of animals that end up in shelters.  Sure, they're not all like that.  But if you're adopting from a shelter OR buying from a breeder you need to be aware of the issues with either.  Neither is a perfect choice and I will not judge someone for making an educated choice either way.

laladypoet

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I Judge : Ive been busy as shiit!! Good though :) Hows about yourself. See theres a new stephen king book coming out this fall?
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]
I'm good! busy doing some work, and stuff around the house. I recently went on a trip and bought Blockade Billy at the airport, then accidentally left it on the plane, cause I'm a genius. it didn't really hold my interest though. I'm not in love with his baseball stories.
is the one this fall the one about the Dark Tower??