Unpopular Opinions?

Birdie1483

I need a flow chart.

FutureMrsTR

There's a difference between a legal right and a moral/human right.  The government made marriage a legal right for certain people.  Now whether or not it's an inalienable human right is a different discussion and maybe that's where there is some confusion.

marissa_claire

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[QUOTE]How is it a right?  Its a contractual obligation you enter into with a person of the opposite sex (in most states) and the government.  If it was a right everyone would have to have it, yes.  I just don't think it is.
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>If you're viewing it as just a contract then the only people that can't enter into contracts are what...minors and other people under guardianship?  Intoxicated people.  Certain forms of businesses. I don't think the government agrees with you on this one.

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squirrly

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : This is so ambiguous. What, exactly, do you mean? Of course some choices are better than others, depending on your perspective. Making a judgment about a woman's intelligence or character based on her decision to change or not change her last name is not ever a good choice, IMO.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

Exactly.  If you don't want to change your name, NBD.  But if you honestly think people who do are dumb, please remove me as a FB friend, because I don't care to associate with you.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]How is it a right?  Its a contractual obligation you enter into with a person of the opposite sex (in most states) and the government.  If it was a right everyone would have to have it, yes.  I just don't think it is.
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]

Maybe so, but you have the right to enter into that contractual obligation if you choose to.  And a right doesn't mean that everyone has to have it.  You have a right to own a gun in every state as long as you follow that state's guidelines for gaining and owning it, until you do something to have that right taken away.  Like get a criminal record.  Your right to do something is fine until it impeds on someone else's right.  And my rights are not affected in the least by two dudes doing the naughty within the boundaries of a legally binding marriage.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]How is it a right?  Its a contractual obligation you enter into with a person of the opposite sex (in most states) and the government. <strong> If it was a right everyone would have to have it</strong>, yes.  I just don't think it is.
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]
Would you say that choosing your president is a right, as a US citizen? Because women didn't get that right until 1920, and it certainly damn well is a right long before that.

Under Louisiana state law, you can write anything you want to in a contractual agreement, so long as it doesn't infringe on the public good. That's where we run into problems: people's definition of "infringing on the public good." But two guys entering into a contractual agreement of marriage, or two girls doing the same, certainly doesn't qualify as "infringing on the public good," for me.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]How is it a right?  Its a contractual obligation you enter into with a person of the opposite sex (in most states) and the government.  If it was a right everyone would have to have it, yes.  I just don't think it is.
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]

So not everyone can get married because it's not a right, and it's not a right because everyone doesn't have it? Hello circular logic.

L-Bride

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : Speaking of Boston sports, I really don't like the Patriots.  (especially Tom Brady's awful hair). <strong>I LOVE ME THE COLTS, THOUGH!  </strong>Rosie, I'm like you.  I will read how McD's food is so bad, it doesn't mold, etc., but then still eat it.  I'm a sucker for the nuggets with sweet and sour sauce.
Posted by MattsPenguin[/QUOTE]

Whaaa? What is the reasoning behind this? The Patriots are one of the best  organizations in the NFL for a plethora of reasons. I've never understood people who don't like their home teams especially when they're great. Come on now <img src="http://cdn.cl9.vanillaforums.com/downloaded/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-frown.gif" border="0" alt="Frown" title="Frown" />

Anysunrise

I'm so lost.

NuggetBrain

I'm not surprised tencups said something like that.  She's always struck me as the type of woman who would sit around with a dry martini in her hand and a mildly pitying, condensending look on her face while glaring down her nose at anybody who didn't fit her rather narrow world view of things.  There's an unpopular opinion - I don't particularly like tencups.

FutureMrsTR

I don't think that's all that unpopular, Nuggs.

opalsky007

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : Whaaa? What is the reasoning behind this? The Patriots are one of the best  organizations in the NFL for a plethora of reasons. I've never understood people who don't like their home teams especially when they're great. Come on now
Posted by L-Bride[/QUOTE]

They're not my home team. My entire family is from Indiana, and Peyton Manning went to my alma mater.

I just go to school here.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. I've never met anyone who admitted liking these places. I'm actually really surprised they're still in business, ew.
Posted by L-Bride[/QUOTE]

I hsve a coworker who worked at Chili's in college and LOVES it. I only go there if I'm in an airport and there's nothing else. Then again, there are few chain restaurants I go to. We ave too much around us that's actually good.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]I'm not surprised tencups said something like that.  She's always struck me as the type of woman who would sit around with a dry martini in her hand and a mildly pitying, condensending look on her face while glaring down her nose at anybody who didn't fit her rather narrow world view of things.  There's an unpopular opinion - I don't particularly like tencups.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]
Honestly, after that whole name changing thing she said, I don't think it's all that unpopular an opinion.

mkrupar

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : Really, I might have to do a mold experiment with some McD's food.
Posted by Y I Oughta[/QUOTE]

Lucas read an article where a guy did this with McD's burgers and Regular Burgers. They don't mold because of their size. They're small so they dry out quick. No moisture, no mold.

Birdie1483

One of my BM's is an Assistant GM at an Applebeeds in a tiny Indiana town. She said that they have one of the best performing stores in the state.

I also read a blog by a woman in AK that looooovveess Chili's and her favorite place to go and she almost DIED when they changed their menu! *insert puking emoticon here*

waltzingmatilda13

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[QUOTE]I'm so lost.
Posted by Anysunrise[/QUOTE]

You and me both.

Did tenofcups DD? What did she say about changing your name?

Birdie1483

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[QUOTE]I'm too dumb to follow what's going on. I think Taylor Switft is awesome and Fishy said she is the worst live performer ever in a thread last week but I just want to say that it's not true.  Gwen Stefani is the WORST live performer of all time.  True story. 
Posted by pinkpinot[/QUOTE]

No I vote P Diddy's band who was on SNL this past week! Diddy Dirty Money? Horrible. Actually just the chick in it was horrible. Diddy just jumped around like a weirdo in the background.

MattsPenguin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : Whaaa? What is the reasoning behind this? The Patriots are one of the best  organizations in the NFL for a plethora of reasons. I've never understood people who don't like their home teams especially when they're great. Come on now
Posted by L-Bride[/QUOTE]

Ditto Opal.  I'm actually from Cincinnati (I love the Reds, but not the Bengals), and lived in Indiana for five years during college.  Plus, how can you not love Peyton!?! 

To be fair, I will cheer for the Red Sox.  It didn't hurt that they won the World Series the first year that I lived here.  Plus, they are American League, so it's not a conflict with my National League Reds.

FutureMrsTR

Tenofcups said (awhile ago) something to the effect of she doesn't respect women who take their husbands' names.  There was a little back and forth as to what she really meant, but there ya go.

KatyRoseM

If I was not allowed to marry Fi for some stupid reason I would fight to have the law changed yes, but it would still not be a right that was violated, it would be a stupid law.  There is a difference. 

Legal rights are different from moral rights.  Legal rights are given and taken away.  Legal rights are based on arbitrary things the government decides on.  So you are all probably right, it may be a legal right.  But if it is what is the difference between a legal right based on an arbitrary distinction and a stupid law based on an arbitrary distinction?  Are legal rights based on arbitrary distinctions unacceptable?  I have a legal right to buy alcohol at 21, but not 20, is that unacceptable?

mkrupar

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : You and me both. Did tenofcups DD? What did she say about changing your name?
Posted by waltzingmatilda13[/QUOTE]

Her opinion on name changing was in a thread a little bit ago. Not in this one. It boiled down to she doesn't respect women who take their husband's names.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions? : This is so ambiguous. What, exactly, do you mean? Of course some choices are better than others, depending on your perspective. Making a judgment about a woman's intelligence or character based on her decision to change or not change her last name is not ever a good choice, IMO.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

I wasn't refering to character or intelligence. I can't remember her wording exactly. The thing I mean is, for example, if you look at it from a feminist perspective, then yes, it's probably better to not change your name due to the history of the ownership issue, etc. But so many people today think we're post-feminism that it doesn't phase them.

However, that's clearly not the case, since 50% of Americans think a woman should be legally required to change her name when she gets married. About 90% do change their name, leaving only 10% who won't, which are skewed to higher-educated, city dwellers. So it's likely that a lot of people who hold that opinion don't know anyone who hasn't changed her name and think it's just crazy radicals and "feminazis" who want to take away jobs and stuff who do that. If more people did keep their name, then more people would encounter perfectly "normal" people who do that. Not to mention, it would become less of a social problem/easier for people to make that decision, since I've heard people say they thought about it, but got a lot of pressure to change their name from their family or spouse.

But if one doesn't care about that perspective then hey, whatever.

MattsPenguin

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[QUOTE]I'm too dumb to follow what's going on. I think Taylor Switft is awesome and Fishy said she is the worst live performer ever in a thread last week but I just want to say that it's not true.  Gwen Stefani is the WORST live performer of all time.  True story. 
Posted by pinkpinot[/QUOTE]

I love Taylor!  I heard her live once (She opened for Rascal Flatts, but we were late, so I could only hear her from the parking lot) and she sounded GREAT!  I admit she's had some interesting live perfomances on TV, but I still love her!  She is so talented.

FutureMrsTR

Legal rights ARE laws.  Sometimes laws are stupid.  Sometimes laws are unconstitutional and those are fought.  Sometimes people disagree over whether or not a law is fair.  It's the way government goes.

mkrupar

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[QUOTE]If I was not allowed to marry Fi for some stupid reason I would fight to have the law changed yes, but it would still not be a right that was violated, it would be a stupid law.  There is a difference.  Legal rights are different from moral rights.  Legal rights are given and taken away.  Legal rights are based on arbitrary things the government decides on.  So you are all probably right, it may be a legal right.  But if it is what is the difference between a legal right based on an arbitrary distinction and a stupid law based on an arbitrary distinction?  Are legal rights based on arbitrary distinctions unacceptable?  I have a legal right to buy alcohol at 21, but not 20, is that unacceptable?
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]

Here's all I need to know: Are you for or against gay marriage? I can't figure out if this is some backhanded way to explain why you're against gay marriage? I'm so confused.

pinkpinot

I also hate when people say things (and I have no idea if this was said yet because my eyes glazed over at the marriage talk) to sound really cool but go against what they said.  For example: Nicole Richie.  For a couple years now I've been hearing her talk about how marriage isn't important to her or Joel and they will have & raise their babies without a piece of paper.  So now she is getting married and in an interview someone asked her why since before she said it wasn't necessary and she couldn't answer, just that "it was time."  If you want to get married, who cares, do it.  But if you think you are so super cool to say that marriage isn't necessary and your trying to come across as Angelina Jolie but you can't because you really do want a wedding & husband...then you look dumb like you were only saying marriage isn't necessary just to say it  because you think it is soooooo uber emo to not care about things like a silly piece of paper but in reality you do care about that piece of paper. 

KatyRoseM

I'm for gay marriage. 

I just don't think the courts should decide it.  I don't think its a right, but I do think our laws are stupid and should be changed. 

I suppose for the most part the distinction is not that important. 

waltzingmatilda13

Okay, I thought she said something in this thread and I totally missed it.

KatyRose still confuses the bejesus out of me.

laurenclaire1386

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[QUOTE]If I was not allowed to marry Fi for some stupid reason I would fight to have the law changed yes, but it would still not be a right that was violated, it would be a stupid law.  There is a difference.  Legal rights are different from moral rights.  Legal rights are given and taken away.  Legal rights are based on arbitrary things the government decides on.  So you are all probably right, it may be a legal right.  But if it is what is the difference between a legal right based on an arbitrary distinction and a stupid law based on an arbitrary distinction?  Are legal rights based on arbitrary distinctions unacceptable? <strong> I have a legal right to buy alcohol at 21, but not 20, is that unacceptable?</strong>
Posted by KatyRoseM[/QUOTE]
Actually, yes I think so. Louisiana was the last state to change the drinking age and it was because the federal government yanked funding for our roads. I think the federal government's place isn't to decide what's good for each and every state on every single issue. Things like same sex marriage, drinking ages, and marijuana legalization are things I think states need to decide without the federal governments' intervention. If you don't like the laws in your state, fight to elect new state government or move to a state that has laws more agreeable to you.