Just Curious....

aprovencher21 · June 2010

I'm always curious what other people think of the new Health Care Reform bill?? Good? Bad? Why?

tidetravel · June 2010

I think I don't know enough about it to form an educated opinion, so I don't have one to share. Sorry.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]I think I don't know enough about it to form an educated opinion, so I don't have one to share. Sorry.
Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

=) Thats okay.....but its not okay that your adorable baby isn't your siggy picture!!

tidetravel · June 2010

Yeah. I have to find a new one. That fox took me a while to color, though.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Yeah. I have to find a new one. That fox took me a while to color, though.
Posted by tidetravel[/QUOTE]

Your coloring job is very nice =)

Blueyed228 · June 2010

I think its a terrible idea and its going to bankrupt us. MA has mandated healthcare and it is not working out. CA has something similar and they are now bankrupt too. (obviously this was not the only contributing factor).

I think anytime the government takes my money and forces me to pay for things that others cant afford, borders on Socialism.

It bothers me that the right warned about the numbers not being accurate before this passed and no one listened. They are already billions over budget for it. Also, more than 50% of the country was against it, yet it got forced down our throats anyways.

Its my personal belief that Obama just wanted this to pass so that he could leave some kind of legacy. He didnt care what the exact details were. He just wanted to be known as the president that passed healthcare.

Personally, I do believe there needs to be healthcare reform, and that those who cannot afford it need options. I just dont like this particular bill. For the above reasons. I think it would have been a smarter idea to go after reformation of insurance companies and their policies.

***EDIT****
To add, now that it is policy, I think we should all figure out a way to make it work.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]I think its a terrible idea and its going to bankrupt us. MA has mandated healthcare and it is not working out. CA has something similar and they are now bankrupt too. (obviously this was not the only contributing factor). I think anytime the government takes my money and forces me to pay for things that others cant afford, borders on Socialism. It bothers me that the right warned about the numbers not being accurate before this passed and no one listened. They are already billions over budget for it. Also, more than 50% of the country was against it, yet it got forced down our throats anyways. Its my personal belief that Obama just wanted this to pass so that he could leave some kind of legacy. He didnt care what the exact details were. He just wanted to be known as the president that passed healthcare. Personally, I do believe there needs to be healthcare reform, and that those who cannot afford it need options. I just dont like this particular bill. For the above reasons. I think it would have been a smarter idea to go after reformation of insurance companies and their policies.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Ah Blue....this makes me like you. And I like your unicorn hair.

=) I'm all for healthcare reform as well but there are intelligent and cost effective ways to go about it that will benefit more people without bankrupting the country. Healthcare is expensive. It is expensive to create, expensive to provide and expensive to pay for. Nothing is for free and I don't think most people understand that or want to get that.

Also if you look at the new CBO estimates that show they were off they are still being incorrectly assumed/estimated. It is likely that they are even more off and it's scary.

So you count yourself as a Republican?

aprovencher21 · June 2010

Well there are ways to get around it. There have been bills passed that effectively get "ignored." I agree that we should either figure out a way to make it feasible or get rid of it.

I cannot wait till Nov elections. I cannot wait even more to vote Obama out.

Blueyed228 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : . <u>So you count yourself as a Republican?
</u>Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

I thought this was pretty obvious. Maybe its because we have not had any political posts lately.

I think there are quite a few conservatives on SB.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I thought this was pretty obvious. Maybe its because we have not had any political posts lately. I think there are quite a few conservatives on SB.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

LOL I think it's because I don't know how to define myself politically. I'm very conservative on some issues but very liberal on others. I'm definitely not a Democrat. Ah politics. I wish we had more political conversations around here.

tidetravel · June 2010

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[QUOTE]ts my personal belief that Obama just wanted this to pass so that he could leave some kind of legacy. He didnt care what the exact details were. He just wanted to be known as the president that passed healthcare.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I agree with this, 100%.

missy68 · June 2010

ap - your dogs are cute. My parents have had 2 purebred dachshunds - one before I was born (his sire's owner was actually Art Linkletter; go figure) and he was a full sized red short hair. He didn't like me after I started walking, but before that, he'd nap beside me, my mom could put him in my crib, etc. I think he didn't like I got bigger than him. He was, ummm, bitey after that. I have a few scars.
He lived to be 17 years old. My dad actually built a coffin to bury him in.

Their current doxie is a mini dapple, I think. She's multi-colored with the spots. And she thinks she is queen of Sheba.

And, if you look at my sig pic, you can see my almost 60-pound quarter dachshund mix dog...... I'm about 5'7", and his back is at my knees (when I'm in shoes). When he puts his paws on me and is on his back legs, his front paws are on my collarbone.
Damn that Blue Buffalo dogfood.

This was him when shortly after we got him, when he was 3 months old:

I thought you'd get a kick out of that.

Blueyed228 · June 2010

Well Prov, i think alot of your political ideas get more cemented the older you get. When I was in my early 20's I felt bad for everyone and thought we should pay for everyone and everything. Then I got older and realized no one has ever given me a handout, and that your personal finances are not my problem.

I lost alot of the compassion I had. The only people I really feel bad for are those that have experienced true tragedy's (IMO). If you worked your whole life and say, your house burned down and you lost everything, I have no problem with my taxes going to you. But the more I see the abuses of the systems, the less I feel bad for people. Its not my problem you decided to have a bunch of offspring you cant afford.

This is something I try very hard to work on. But the older I get, the more conservative I become.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]ap - your dogs are cute. My parents have had 2 purebred dachshunds - one before I was born (his sire's owner was actually Art Linkletter; go figure) and he was a full sized red short hair. He didn't like me after I started walking, but before that, he'd nap beside me, my mom could put him in my crib, etc. I think he didn't like I got bigger than him. He was, ummm, bitey after that. I have a few scars. He lived to be 17 years old. My dad actually built a coffin to bury him in. Their current doxie is a mini dapple, I think. She's multi-colored with the spots. And she thinks she is queen of Sheba. And, if you look at my sig pic, you can see my almost 60-pound quarter dachshund mix dog...... I'm about 5'7", and his back is at my knees (when I'm in shoes). When he puts his paws on me and is on his back legs, his front paws are on my collarbone. Damn that Blue Buffalo dogfood. :) This was him when shortly after we got him, when he was 3 months old: I thought you'd get a kick out of that.
Posted by missy68[/QUOTE]

I'm dachshund crazy. It's a problem. I LOVE hearing about other dachshunds. Your puppy is adorable! I'm sorry your parents prior dachshund got snappy. I've only had one dachshund get snappy and it wasn't mine but a friend's show dog. Most female dachshunds end up thinking they are the rulers of the domain. As I'm on the computer I have one on my FI's pillows, another is sprawled in the sheets and the third is sleeping around my neck. Heaven forbid anyone bothers them. =) What's your dog's name?? What is he a mix of?

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Well Prov, i think alot of your political ideas get more cemented the older you get. When I was in my early 20's I felt bad for everyone and thought we should pay for everyone and everything. Then I got older and realized no one has ever given me a handout, and that your personal finances are not my problem. I lost alot of the compassion I had. The only people I really feel bad for are those that have experienced true tragedy's (IMO). If you worked your whole life and say, your house burned down and you lost everything, I have no problem with my taxes going to you. But the more I see the abuses of the systems, the less I feel bad for people. Its not my problem you decided to have a bunch of offspring you cant afford. This is something I try very hard to work on. But the older I get, the more conservative I become.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

This I agree with. I went to a very liberal (think tree hugging, granola) Quaker boarding school. At 18 I just didn't get it. I think as you get older and have more personal responsibility and truly appreciate what it takes to earn a buck the more conservative you get. I'm still liberal in the sense that I'm pro-choice, believe everyone has the right to marry, etc. But when it comes to entitlement programs, abuse of the system and general laziness I get steamed.

I also have no problem with my taxes being used to help children (since they cannot be held responsible for what their parents do with their money) or those who are genuinely disabled.

I am sure I'm going to get flamed for this but I'm not a fan of Medicare either.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

I should also say that I get furious every time I pay the ridiculous property taxes for my house. I am astonished every year how much they are.....

jennylove810 · June 2010

I am going to tread very carefully with this one.

I support *some kind* of health care bill. I'm not ready to throw my support behind this one, because like Blue discussed, I don't believe it's structured properly and I don't believe we can afford it.

However.

I also remember a time after graduation when I was no longer eligible to be on my parent's insurance and I was working 2 jobs to pay for my apartment, my bills, my car, etc etc. I had no benefits and to buy my own insurance, as a (then) 25-year old girl, even a perfectly healthy one, was WAY out of the price range.

I know a LOT of people get up in arms thinking the welfare mommas and the illegals are going to take advantage of the system, and while those concerns are legitimate, no one thinks about the just-graduated kids or the laid-off middle agers who maybe just need some coverage for routine exams or catastrophies, but who are S.O.L. when the time comes.

So *something* needs to be done, and the system *does* need to be revamped, but I don't think the health care bill, as it exists now, is going to do anything but create an even bigger mess.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]I am going to tread very carefully with this one. I support *some kind* of health care bill. I'm not ready to throw my support behind this one, because like Blue discussed, I don't believe it's structured properly and I don't believe we can afford it. However. I also remember a time after graduation when I was no longer eligible to be on my parent's insurance and I was working 2 jobs to pay for my apartment, my bills, my car, etc etc. I had no benefits and to buy my own insurance, as a (then) 25-year old girl, even a perfectly healthy one, was WAY out of the price range. I know a LOT of people get up in arms thinking the welfare mommas and the illegals are going to take advantage of the system, and while those concerns are legitimate, no one thinks about the just-graduated kids or the laid-off middle agers who maybe just need some coverage for routine exams or catastrophies, but who are S.O.L. when the time comes. So *something* needs to be done, and the system *does* need to be revamped, but I don't think the health care bill, as it exists now, is going to do anything but create an even bigger mess.
Posted by jennylove810[/QUOTE]

I totally agree with you as well. If the bill had included a national marketplace (instead of still keeping the state boundaries in tact) I would have been much happier. National competition between companies should be in place and would drive prices down for health young adults. Also, you'd probably see the creation of different types of plans with more options to make it more affordable.

dmiller9274 · June 2010

The short version of my feelings are this...When the government comes up with these hand out programs, while they may be started with good intentions, it mostly feeds the "I'm entitled to" feelings of many. Before they push to add more programs that encourage the something for nothing mentality, they need to get a firm handle on the programs that are currently being offered.

missy68 · June 2010

AP, we only know that there's 25% dachshund and 12.5% lab in him. I'm betting there' Catahoula based on his markings and eye color (light gray) and size/musculature. His head actually looks like a Weimaraner, which to me looks like a giant dachshund head.

He's incredibly smart, was the star of his obedience class, and an absolute terror in the house.:) Either the other 2/3 of him is watered down AKC breed/s or a non-AKC breed, like Catahoula or another type, like a heeler. He's DEFINITELY in the hound family. We have conversations, and he talks back an awful lot.

The shelter told us he was a terrier mix, so we were expecting a medium-sized dog. He passed that 3 months ago. We're on our 2nd collar and leash, for size reasons. Egad. But I love watching him hide his rawhides and treats between the couch cushions, his doggy bed, or under a blanket corner on the couch.

Blueyed228 · June 2010

I also have yet to see a government run program that actually is successful.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]I also have yet to see a government run program that actually is successful.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I was trying to think of one..............and I failed.

I think the military is awesome. But it is definitely not always run well.

Blue who do you dislike more Pelosi or Obama?? I'd usually add Reid in their but I think he's just old and senile so I try not to pick on him too much.

Did you go to any teaparty rallies??

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]AP, we only know that there's 25% dachshund and 12.5% lab in him. I'm betting there' Catahoula based on his markings and eye color (light gray) and size/musculature. His head actually looks like a Weimaraner, which to me looks like a giant dachshund head. He's incredibly smart, was the star of his obedience class, and an absolute terror in the house.:) Either the other 2/3 of him is watered down AKC breed/s or a non-AKC breed, like Catahoula or another type, like a heeler. He's DEFINITELY in the hound family. We have conversations, and he talks back an awful lot. The shelter told us he was a terrier mix, so we were expecting a medium-sized dog. He passed that 3 months ago. We're on our 2nd collar and leash, for size reasons. Egad. But I love watching him hide his rawhides and treats between the couch cushions, his doggy bed, or under a blanket corner on the couch.
Posted by missy68[/QUOTE]

When he talks to you does her bark or howl?? Mine sometimes kinda do a yoodle. Weird. We had the same thing happen to us with my parent's first rescue. Soot was supposed to be a beagle something mix. They either lied or really had no idea. Turns out he's a rott and lab mix. They told us he was supposed to be about 35-45lbs. He's now about 90-100lbs. Yeah. Totally not a beagle!

I love his eyes!! Maybe he has choc/tan dachshund in him or possibly some dapple since they tend to throw the blue eyes the most. I love to hear that people take their dogs to training. Too many people don't and then later regret it.

Does he burrow under blankets and old towels? I constantly find my girls in the laundry baskets under all the clothes sleeping.

Blueyed228 · June 2010

Pelosi makes me want to punch myself in the vagina.

But Obama takes the cake.

They are both elitists though IMO

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Pelosi makes me want to punch myself in the vagina. But Obama takes the cake. They are both elitists though IMO
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Ah the sound of logic. The sad part is that Pelosi (I keep calling her Peloso cause I went to school with a royal pain in the ass with the last name of Peloso.....they even act the same and both make me want to cry and vomit) will keep getting elected because of her state. Boo.

Obama just comes off as an arrogant yet ignorant elitist jerk. I am sure someone will flame me for this, oh well. He embarrasses me more than Bush ever did (and I wasn't necessarily a Bush fan). I also don't buy into "spread the wealth." That just teaches me not to be successful so I can have someone else give me their hard earned money.

thesuninherhead · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Ah the sound of logic. The sad part is that Pelosi (I keep calling her Peloso cause I went to school with a royal pain in the ass with the last name of Peloso.....they even act the same and both make me want to cry and vomit) will keep getting elected because of her state. Boo. Obama just comes off as an arrogant yet ignorant elitist jerk. I am sure someone will flame me for this, oh well. He embarrasses me more than Bush ever did (and I wasn't necessarily a Bush fan). <strong> I also don't buy into "spread the wealth." That just teaches me not to be successful so I can have someone else give me their hard earned money.</strong>
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]</p><p> </p><p>I don't understand how one cannot see the benefits of having a healthier and more educated, thus allowing for a more productive, society. Countries that provide higher levels of healthcare/education also tend to have lower rates of unemployment than does the US... thus, I don't see how these arguments of supported health/education initiatives reducing work engagement still exist. Look outside of the US and you will see many examples of nations which 'spread the wealth' and function in a much more productive way as a result, reducing crime and increasing work participation- these positive community norms benefit all citizens within the community, not just those who are receiving the direct support. Increasing the social capital of your country cannot be a negative thing, and ensuring health care and education are easily accessed is one way of achieving that which has demonstrated efficacy. It makes me sad that the US, a country that prides themselves on their apparent forward thinking, is so behind the eight ball when it comes to looking after their citizens; I just see so much untapped potential there if only the basic needs of their vulnerable community members were better fulfilled. </p><p> </p><p> As for your embarrassment over your current president, as a citizen of a country which is not the US, I can tell you that perceptions of the US in my country are shifting in a positive way thanks to the change of leadership.</p>

goheels05 · June 2010

Sun, I agree with you to an extent. I studied abroad in Copenhagen and Denmark is a perfect example of making a socialized economy work very well. However, we can't copy that in the US because it wouldn't work that way here. Our government is notorious for mismanaging funds and blundering projects. Danish citizens pride themselves on hard work and success--many Americans like the idea of just getting by. It just wouldn't work here.

I support healthcare reform, however, I do not support his bill. Blue pretty much nailed it as far as my thoughts on it.

I really appreciate Tide saying that she doesn't know enough about the bill to form an educated opinion. There is no shame in that. It's a complex issue that is difficult to understand, and there have been dozens of versions prior to the one that was passed, and there was a lot of misinformation in the news about it.

Some key points (IMO): the bill that was passed offered no public option. All it did was mandate that everyone buy insurance and that if you don't, there will be heavy financial consequences. That, in no way, does anything for the public. It only benefits the insurance industry and the healthcare industry.

The bill laid the groundwork for where the money for this project will come from. The value of your healthcare policy will be added to your W-2 as income and taxed accordingly. Do you have great insurance that actually covers things? Good for you--you get to pay an additional tax--they call decent plans "Cadillac plans" and charge an additional 2.5%(?) on it. And tax rates will increase yet again for the top two tax brackets. Just FYI, people in the top two tax brackets pay A LOT in taxes. Almost 40% of their income. Sit back and imagine that. 40% of your income going to Uncle Sam and his entitlement programs. The wealthiest 10% of US citizens pay 87% of the taxes. And you would be shocked at who makes that top 10% (it includes couples who make in the low six-figure ballpark).

SarahBethBR · June 2010

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[QUOTE]CA has something similar and they are now bankrupt too. (obviously this was not the only contributing factor).
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
Please, tell us more about the CA program and how it's bankrupting the state.

As for my opinion, I recognize that I've never received a handout because I've never really needed one. I'm happy to pay my taxes to give some help to the people who really, really do.

And the implication that democrats or liberals are just young and dumb, and that I'll understand when I grow up is really, realyl condescending. In turn, I'll make the implication that conservatives are cold hearted biitches who care more about money than helping their fellow man, ok?

MamaKin · June 2010

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[QUOTE]And the implication that democrats or liberals are just young and dumb, and that I'll understand when I grow up is really, realyl condescending. In turn, I'll make the implication that conservatives are cold hearted biitches who care more about money than helping their fellow man, ok?
Posted by SarahBethBR[/QUOTE]
No kidding. I was a die-hard Repub growing up, member of my college Republicans, etc... until a few years ago. Ya know, when I got out in the real world and out of my college-bubble and saw how most of America ACTUALLY lives. It's eye opening. I'm not saying there aren't people that abuse the system, but that's such a crappy reason to stop providing support and assistance for majority of people who actually need it and use it properly. I'm glad I see the error in my ways, and I'm kind of ashamed at how cold-hearted and naive I was before ("Everyone who is poor/needs government help f*cked up somewhere along the way and that's not my problem").   Blueyed, what's the difference between suffering through a tragedy (like your houe burning down) or your entire life being a tragedy because you are born into it and do not have the means to ever get ahead?

Not to get all into Dubya and co., but I can't get over the lack of outrage from the right over the billions of dollars spent on a war built on lies combined with the total outrage that we dare to ask people to spend their hard-earned dollars on helping our own.    If I'm spending my hard-earned money on someone else's agenda (which will always be the case), I'd much rather have it be to provide healthcare to Americans who can't afford it than to "fight terror" or whatever the f*ck we're supposed to believe.

And Blueyed... you've really never seen a government-run program work successfully?   Does success = flawless to you?

salt78 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Pelosi makes me want to punch myself in the vagina. But Obama takes the cake. They are both elitists though IMO
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>I love how the wiener dog girl said that this was the "sound of logic". </div><div>
</div><div>Overall, this post (aside from the last couple responses) made me want to jump out a window. I give it 1 star.</div>

BobLoblaw · June 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_snarky-brides_just-curious-4?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:17Discussion:15d0fa8b-c393-4695-bed5-d6923fe80662Post:531c71f2-3260-44c7-bad7-640a3b21e9f2">Re: Just Curious....</a>:
[QUOTE] I think anytime the government takes my money and forces me to pay for things that others cant afford, borders on Socialism.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Yeah, like public schools and fire departments. Gross.

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