Just Curious....

allisong23 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Around here, only private hospitals can require you to prove insurance in the ER (and that is only if you are there for a non-life threatening problem). Public hospitals have to see and treat you regardless. They are not allowed to 'show you the door' just because you are not insured. I dont know if it is the same everywhere else.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

This is why many public hospitals are in such financial trouble - see St. Vincent's in NYC.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Holy crap, how many times in a row can one person post before it all just starts to look like "Guard and protect your heart."? Whatever the limit is, Wiener girl exceeded it.
Posted by jens_a_ten[/QUOTE]

Wow. I was posting while my class was on break.....deal with it.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Spoken by someone that probably does not need to take a certain medication to live a somewhat normal life. I do. I have multiple sclerosis. The medication I take costs more than $1200 a month beofre insurance.There are very few drugs for MS, and most people are only able to take one of the five major drugs because of side effects from the others. So I have no choice to not take it - unless I want to take the chance of not being able to walk tomorrow. These drugs are not new, but BIG Pharma knows they have us where they want us, so there is no need to lower price. There are many other people like me who don't have the option to "not take the medicine". Should people with cancer not take chemo drugs?
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

I was waiting for something like this to come up. I'm slowly and painfully (probably dying) from luekemia. I'm on two types of chemo, a steriod treatment and also radiation. I get that people have issues. I get that the drugs are expensive.....do you even understand why they are? Because when you factor in capitalized costs, losses, investment etc. it takes $1.5 BILLION to get a drug to market. If you want new innovations to come along you have to pay for the old ones. I won't tell you what my meds cost a month....

The point is I understand the necessity for the cost and am willing to pay it. I pay my own insurance and for my medications. So should we bankrupt the big pharma companies so they cannot keep investing back into new drugs?? There is a very thin line that pharma companies work with between having enough to invest back into R&D because innovation begins to slow.

I'm sorry you have MS but I am not sorry your drugs are expensive. Best of luck to you (and no that isn't sarcasm I genuinely mean it).

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : How is it not? The insurance companies decide what they will and won't cover, which essentially decides your treatment options for you. What your doctor thinks is irrelevant (although the drug companies work that angle, too. I know quite a few pharm reps making incredibly good salaries and taking doctors out to fancy dinners -- that gets paid for by whom? The free market fairies?). Then you have the choice of paying retail for the drug you've been told you need or getting it as a great discounted co-pay through your insurance company. Oh and don't get feisty and try to switch insurance companies after you're diagnosed! (Not that most people could anyway, you're stuck with whatever your employer offers.) But on the chance you do try, you may get denied for having a pre-existing condition. So who in their right mind is going to try to use their consumer power to influence the system? You bend over, take it, pay the high price, and hope they let you keep your policy, like some kind of battered wife with no high school diploma or job skills. As for medical care being a choice, I'm so very sure that most people would opt to die in their homes of the flu before going to the emergency room because they just can't pay. And if you're in a car accident and shatter your legs? Of course the average uninsured American is going to rope some sticks to their legs and stay in bed for a week, because it's just not fair to go to the hospital if you don't have insurance. And even if they have no shame whatsoever and show up to the ER, the nurses will show those freeloaders the door. Cause you gotta pay to play, bro! How lucky for us that all of the traditional economic principles apply so precisely and conveniently to the health care model.
Posted by _Fenton[/QUOTE]

Most of your post is patently false. Drug reps cannot take Drs out to dinner (anymore). So you are either lying or misinformed. Most insurance companies base what they will pay for and what they won't off of what the government will handle through Medicaid and Medicare.

Do you even understand how an insurance risk pool works?? Probably not.....

thesuninherhead · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Sun, I agree with you to an extent. I studied abroad in Copenhagen and Denmark is a perfect example of making a socialized economy work very well. However, we can't copy that in the US because it wouldn't work that way here. Our government is notorious for mismanaging funds and blundering projects. Danish citizens pride themselves on hard work and success--many Americans like the idea of just getting by. It just wouldn't work here. <strong> I support healthcare reform, however, I do not support his bill.</strong> Blue pretty much nailed it as far as my thoughts on it. I really appreciate Tide saying that she doesn't know enough about the bill to form an educated opinion. There is no shame in that. It's a complex issue that is difficult to understand, and there have been dozens of versions prior to the one that was passed, and there was a lot of misinformation in the news about it. Some key points (IMO): the bill that was passed offered no public option. All it did was mandate that everyone buy insurance and that if you don't, there will be heavy financial consequences. That, in no way, does anything for the public. It only benefits the insurance industry and the healthcare industry. The bill laid the groundwork for where the money for this project will come from. The value of your healthcare policy will be added to your W-2 as income and taxed accordingly. Do you have great insurance that actually covers things? Good for you--you get to pay an additional tax--they call decent plans "Cadillac plans" and charge an additional 2.5%(?) on it. And tax rates will increase yet again for the top two tax brackets. Just FYI, people in the top two tax brackets pay A LOT in taxes. Almost 40% of their income. Sit back and imagine that. 40% of your income going to Uncle Sam and his entitlement programs. The wealthiest 10% of US citizens pay 87% of the taxes. And you would be shocked at who makes that top 10% (it includes couples who make in the low six-figure ballpark).
<p>Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]</p><p>
I totally understand why people might not support this bill. I don't understand why people don't support the need for reform, though. You have higher rates of infant mortality and overall morbidity as contrast to other developed nations; clearly, there's something to improve there. I totally support reasoned arguments against the way health reform is being made, but I am continually baffled by unreasoned, blanket opposition to any reform which improves community health, particularly when accompanied by the familiar, 'if we give it to them, they won't work for it!' fear-driven banter that has been demonstrated in many countries outside of the US, each with varying circumstances, not to be the case.</p><p> </p><p>Such a blanket statement (not made by you!) was what I was replying to in my post. I think you and I are on the same page in a lot of ways about these particular reforms themselves- I understand that you support change, but not this particular type of change, and I understand your reasoning for that.</p>

thesuninherhead · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I have no problems with public education. Nor, if you read any of my other posts, do I have a problem with a healthier society. We need healthcare reform. Just not this formation of healthcare reform. It is this constant regurgitation of how conservatives don't want a healthier more educated society that gets annoying and old. No one has said this.....
<p>Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]</p><p> </p><p>I was making a response to your statement that you, '<strong>don't buy into "spread the wealth." That just teaches me not to be successful so I can have someone else give me their hard earned money. </strong>'</p><p>and highlighted the fact that the experience of many countries provides evidence against this statement, and thus I cannot understand why this particular line is continually spouted. Forgive me if I incorrectly presumed that your disapproval for 'spreading the wealth' in health extended to disapproval for spreading the wealth in education, but your blanket statement of opposition appeared to be far more related to the notion of such globalism of services rather than an aspect of the particular reform under discussion.</p>

HappyTummy613 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Do you actually have any logic or argument in terms of proof to offer to this discussion?? No? Okay then.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : What no ability to intelligently argue what's wrong with pharmaceutical companies?? Have any sources or really even understand the business? Probably not.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Do you even understand how an insurance risk pool works?? Probably not.....
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

Your writing isn't repetitive or annoying at all. Not one bit.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I was making a response to your statement that you, ' don't buy into "spread the wealth." That just teaches me not to be successful so I can have someone else give me their hard earned money. ' and highlighted the fact that the experience of many countries provides evidence against this statement, and thus I cannot understand why this particular line is continually spouted. Forgive me if I incorrectly presumed that your disapproval for 'spreading the wealth' in health extended to disapproval for spreading the wealth in education, but your blanket statement of opposition appeared to be far more related to the notion of such globalism of services rather than an aspect of the particular reform under discussion.
Posted by thesuninherhead[/QUOTE]

I was more meaning it in spreading the wealth in terms of this disaster of a health care bill. I am more than happy to pay taxes into welfare for people genuinely deserving it who are striving to get ahead. I'm more than happy to pay my insane property taxes in NJ to help the public schools. I'd even be happy to pay more taxes for a healthcare reform that is actually reasonable and will benefit a majority of people.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Your writing isn't repetitive or annoying at all. Not one bit.
Posted by HappyTummy613[/QUOTE]

No your posts aren't annoying at all considering none of them have any substance or show intelligence.

salt78 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Do you actually have any logic or argument in terms of proof to offer to this discussion?? No? Okay then.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

<div>Everything that I would have said was already pretty much covered in the couple posts before mine. </div><div>
</div><div>But you see...the most magical thing about public message boards is that I can post whatever I want in any thread I want. Imagine that!?</div>

salt78 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : No your posts aren't annoying at all considering none of them have any substance or show intelligence.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

<div>You are awfully hostile to people that don't agree with you. That's sad.</div>

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I love how the wiener dog girl said that this was the "sound of logic". Overall, this post (aside from the last couple responses) made me want to jump out a window. I give it 1 star.
Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

Yeah because this shows you aren't hostile or rude to people who don't agree with you. Pot calling the kettle black.

Also, my being sarcastic is because its someone coming in to make a point about repetitive posts. I already explained I was on break in class. Point?

BobLoblaw · June 2010

Ooh, let me guess: law school? 1L?

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Ooh, let me guess: law school? 1L?
Posted by BobLoblaw[/QUOTE]

Me?

HappyTummy613 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Ooh, let me guess: law school? 1L?
Posted by BobLoblaw[/QUOTE]

That's just what I was thinking.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

If you are referring to me you are wrong........though not completely

allisong23 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : I was waiting for something like this to come up. I'm slowly and painfully (probably dying) from luekemia. I'm on two types of chemo, a steriod treatment and also radiation. I get that people have issues. I get that the drugs are expensive.....do you even understand why they are? Because when you factor in capitalized costs, losses, investment etc. it takes $1.5 BILLION to get a drug to market. If you want new innovations to come along you have to pay for the old ones. I won't tell you what my meds cost a month.... The point is I understand the necessity for the cost and am willing to pay it. I pay my own insurance and for my medications. So should we bankrupt the big pharma companies so they cannot keep investing back into new drugs?? There is a very thin line that pharma companies work with between having enough to invest back into R&D because innovation begins to slow. I'm sorry you have MS but I am not sorry your drugs are expensive. Best of luck to you (and no that isn't sarcasm I genuinely mean it).The
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

And I truly wish the best for you. While we have differing opinions, I hope everything gets better for you. I've done the steroid thing, and it is pretty miserable, and I can't imagine what it would be like with chemo. Ironically, since I have failed the last big MS drug, the next step may be chemo, but not nearly as much as you must be handling. Stayss trong!

Let me ask a you (and anyone else who cares to answer) a question. . The good kinds of insurance (and I am not talking about the "Cadillac plans" are generally held by people are not living under the poverty line. People who are lucky enough to be on these plans (and I count myself as one of them) probably have a higher income level than those who are without insurance. Hey, if you could afford good insurance, most people would choose to have it.This is obviously not true all of the time, and not all of these people with insurance are rich. I am certainly not.People without good insurance often have to make difficult choices in terms of their health - such as not being able to afford the medication they need. Do you think that the because these poorer people "chose" not to take their meds (often because they have to "choose" to pay other bills, such as food or rent), it is right? I think that sometimes those of us who are lucky of us to not have to make a choice like that can understand the bigger issue. If you lost your insurance, how would you handle your meds?

BTW, I don't know about pharma reps not being able to take docs out to expensive dinners anymore, but don't think they aren't bringing them lunch, desserts, etc on a daily obasis. FBIL is a doctor and he said his staff could eat for free on pharma reps if he would let them.

salt78 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : Yeah because this shows you aren't hostile or rude to people who don't agree with you. Pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

<div>What I said =/= calling someone unintelligent and lacking any substance. </div><div>
</div>

jens_a_ten · June 2010

Paralegal school, 1L.

HappyTummy613 · June 2010

I think I'm the one who supposedly lacks substance and intelligence, because I think she communicates poorly.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : And I truly wish the best for you. While we have differing opinions, I hope everything gets better for you. I've done the steroid thing, and it is pretty miserable, and I can't imagine what it would be like with chemo. Ironically, since I have failed the last big MS drug, the next step may be chemo, but not nearly as much as you must be handling. Stayss trong! Let me ask a you (and anyone else who cares to answer) a question. . The good kinds of insurance (and I am not talking about the "Cadillac plans" are generally held by people are not living under the poverty line. People who are lucky enough to be on these plans (and I count myself as one of them) probably have a higher income level than those who are without insurance. Hey, if you could afford good insurance, most people would choose to have it.This is obviously not true all of the time, and not all of these people with insurance are rich. I am certainly not.People without good insurance often have to make difficult choices in terms of their health - such as not being able to afford the medication they need. Do you think that the because these poorer people "chose" not to take their meds (often because they have to "choose" to pay other bills, such as food or rent), it is right? I think that sometimes those of us who are lucky of us to not have to make a choice like that can understand the bigger issue. If you lost your insurance, how would you handle your meds? BTW, I don't know about pharma reps not being able to take docs out to expensive dinners anymore, but don't think they aren't bringing them lunch, desserts, etc on a daily obasis. FBIL is a doctor and he said his staff could eat for free on pharma reps if he would let them.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

Ugh so hope you don't have to go the chemo route. It's unpleasant but the only good side of things is that I'm not losing my hair (yes I am vain and yes despite feeling like death frozen over this made me feel better). Steroids are awful but chemo just about beats everything in my book.

I would love genuine healthcare reform. You can get healthcare costs down with a mixture of tort reform and a national marketplace. Also, in terms of drug costs I think there should be better payment/saving/funds for people dealing with very expensive medications. There can be payment plans, etc. to help people to better afford their medications. I also think what you will soon see at least for general chemical/small molecule pharmaceuticals is more and more having their patents broken and more drugs being moved to generics. This will allow for greater cost savings for people with terminal/chronic diseases that have expensive treatments. Big pharma is in for a rough next decade. The easy medications and disorders such as high blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. have already been amply addressed and it's going to take significant new finds, forms of customer service, and a different approach to the pricing model to stay afloat. I would expect MS meds to drop in price in the next ten years; however, don't expect the same thing for biologics.

I'm curious as to which pharma reps are doing this. I work for a pharmaceutical company. You can bring lunch to a Dr's office but it has to be for everyone on staff not just the doctor and legally there is a price max. This sounds either somewhat illegal or in the gray area. I'm not saying companies are perfect =) I just don't think they are any worse than any other corporation.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]Paralegal school, 1L.
Posted by jens_a_ten[/QUOTE]

No.....

Finishing an MBA in pharmaceutical and healthcare business next month and I start law school for patent/tax law specifically focused in pharmaceuticals/biologics in August.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : What I said =/= calling someone unintelligent and lacking any substance.
Posted by salt78[/QUOTE]

Seriously? This is ridiculous. I find you sad because you clearly did the exact same thing.......yet you want to continue dragging this on. I'm not hostile because she disagrees with me.... I'm annoyed because she's annoying in general.

jens_a_ten · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : No..... Finishing an MBA in pharmaceutical and healthcare business next month and I start law school for patent/tax law specifically focused in pharmaceuticals/biologics in August.
Posted by aprovencher21[/QUOTE]

University of Phoenix?

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Just Curious.... : University of Phoenix?
Posted by jens_a_ten[/QUOTE]

No....wow could you be more insulting.

University of the Sciences in Philadelphia for MBA
Penn for law school

allisong23 · June 2010

I am all for tort reform!

Payment plans won't help everyone. Right now, the cost of all my med sper month if they weren't covered by insurance are 3x what I bring home in a month. Since I need a roof over my head, food, etc. I would quickly declare bankruptcy.

FBIL's practice allows one rep to come in per week with lunch, and it is for the whole staff, so there is only one free lunch/week. If he allowed all the different companies to provide food, they could eat free every day. FBIL has told me that he hates to even allow them to do it even once a week because of the ethics involved. The only reason he allows it is because they will often drop off drug samples that he can give to his poorer patients who would otherwise not be on any drugs at all.

Yeah, and I am not feeling too much sympathy for Big Pharma. Yes, it costs a fortune to develop new drugs, but they are not hurting. This is the company that produces two major MS drugs (and Rituxan, the chemo I may go on next):
http://www.finchannel.com/news_flash/Pharmacy/57915_Biogen_profit_up%3B_price_rises_help_sales/

jens_a_ten · June 2010

You're a damn liar. Fresh Prince taught me that Philly was nothing but graffiti and basketball courts.

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]I am all for tort reform! Payment plans won't help everyone. Right now, the cost of all my medsper month if they weren't covered by insurance aree 3x what I bring home in a month. Since I need a roof over my head, food, etc. I would quickly declare bankruptcy. FBIL's practice allows one rep to come in per week with lunch, and it is for the whole staff, so there is only one free lunch/week. If he allowed all the different companies to provide food, they could eat free every day. FBIL has told me that he hates to even allow them to do it even once a week because of the ethics involved. The only reason he allows it is because they will often drop off drug samples that he can give to his poorer patients who would otherwise not be on any drugs at all. Yeah, and I am not feeling too much sympathy for Big Pharma. Yes, it costs a fortune to develop new drugs, but they are not hurting. This is the company that produces two major MS drugs (and Rituxan, the chemo I may go on next): <a href="http://www.finchannel.com/news_flash/Pharmacy/57915_Biogen_profit_up%3B_price_rises_help_sales/" rel="nofollow">http://www.finchannel.com/news_flash/Pharmacy/57915_Biogen_profit_up%3B_price_rises_help_sales/</a>
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

Actually a great way to lower the cost of medications in the US will not be popular with the rest of the world. We, those in the US, typically pay much more for our medications because other countries pay so little due to government involvement and price setting. In theory we are subsidizing the medications of other countries. If we increased prices in other countries to a more natural market level we could lower medications prices here.

Another way to make medications cheaper would be to have looser protocols regarding safety (I am not advocating this just giving an example). If they didn't spend millions on repetitive clinical trials medications could be cheaper....just not as safe.

My point is that Americans cannot have everything. You cannot be able to have all of the brand new top innovative products without paying a premium price. You cannot have every medical test done and not have to pay a price etc. etc.

I understand you don't like the marketing of medications but there are plenty of other industries where necessities are marketed. Food is a necessity but its clearly marketed to consumers and no one has an issue with the marketing of food. As a business is not only the proper to market medications but also the right of the companies to do so. I think it is hypocritical to only want certain companies providing necessities to be allowed to market.

For some reason my computer is being weird about the link. What is the Pharma companies name?

aprovencher21 · June 2010

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[QUOTE]You're a damn liar. Fresh Prince taught me that Philly was nothing but graffiti and basketball courts.
Posted by jens_a_ten[/QUOTE]

LOL. Okay that was funny. But those are my schools....probably why I'm slightly more than gunho about healthcare reform and prescription medications.

allisong23 · June 2010

Biogen. Do a Google search on "biogen 2009 profits". It is the 2nd link.

I am not sure the food/drug compasrison is valid. It doesn't have to cost $250 for a single meal. Yes, you can go out to a fancy steak place for dinner, but you could just as easily have a grilled cheese. Both will satisfy your hunger, but one doesn't have to cost as much as the other.

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