Unpopular Opinions

emilyinchile · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : Well, now that is a differing opinion that might cause me to dislike you!
Posted by MattsPenguin[/QUOTE]

You should like me more - more peanut butter for you!

Snippylynn · November 2010

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[QUOTE]I refuse to speak to people who cannot fluently speak English but they live here anyways. I'm not about to move to Germany with my knowledge from HS language class. I would rather kill a murderer, eye for and eye and all that. ETA: By murderer I mean pre-meditated, cold straight up murder.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

That's utter bullshit. I live in Sweden. Was I supposed to learn Swedish in the 2 months I had before we moved here? How about Italy? You can take your opinion and shove it. I've learned a bit of Italian, but am no means fluent. I couldn't even wotk there. I HATE it when people get all high and mighty about the language.

Ghoti · November 2010

Anyway, I've got to go dress shopping with my FMIL, so thanks for the good convo ladies!!

Rosie109 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : They have a lot more freedoms than most people know. Not being able to shiit in private (which neither can your Military while in boot camp) isn't that big of a deal.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

<div>What do you do for a living?</div>

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : There are still entire communities in South LA (they're becoming more and more rare, but they still exist) where only Cajun (Acadian) French is spoken. My aunt's grandparents didn't speak a lick of English and lived in the US their entire lives.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

I would totally believe that. Actually, Iowa banned the speaking of German during WWI, but up until then (so, like, 1918) there were communities that had been settled in the 1840s/1850s where the public schools conducted all their classes in German.

There was definitely a highly xenophobic attitude in the US from around WWI to about the 1960s, though. Immigration was limited during the 1950s. Anyone who came to the US probably DID try to learn English quickly during that time to avoid persecution. I have a few friends with one Asian parent who refused to teach their children their native language. Because growing up in places like Texas or Georgia in the 60s and 70s and being half-asian, they were already different enough.

cengle · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : They have a lot more freedoms than most people know. Not being able to shiit in private (which neither can your Military while in boot camp) isn't that big of a deal.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

What about the high level of rape and other violence in prison? I think that's a big problem. Obviously, many homeless are subjected to violence, but I'm not sure if it's to the level of that in prison.

FutureMrsTR · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : They have a lot more freedoms than most people know. Not being able to shiit in private (which neither can your Military while in boot camp) isn't that big of a deal.
Posted by Ghoti[/QUOTE]

:::headdesk:::

Yeah, I'm sure they can just up and go to McDonald's whenever they want, huh?

I'm going to celebrate my freedom and go to lunch now.

tortis · November 2010

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[QUOTE]I am certainly not trying to backpedal, if I cannot understand someone I will explain that and get them to someone who can understand them. I think if you at least have a grasp of the language and are actively trying to learn it than fine. But of course I wouldn't know if someone was learning or trying to learn English.
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

Girlfriend. For real. THEN.

I am now transferring you to a second grader because they will be able to "understand you better." And hey! Maybe they can help you to actively learn English so that you can stay in the US!

mgietler76 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]mgietler- 2 questions: 1) What is your heritage? How many generations has your family been in the US? 2) Have you ever travelled outside of the US? These are honest questions, not shitstirring.
Posted by kikibaby[/QUOTE]

I have no issues with defending how I feel, I'm not upset or mad or any of that so I don't think your are shitstirring.

1.) Austrian and can be traced back 5 generations
2.) No

Moneypenny424 · November 2010

I have had some Spanish speaking clients who CAN in fact speak English, but due to the subject matter, were more comfortable (and could express themselves better) in Spanish. I am able to give them better service when they can explain to me the extent of medical issues, etc. they are facing than if they just said it in a few English phrases that don't as thoroughly express what is happening.

Rosie109 · November 2010

I went to visit a local jail (not prison) with one of my college classes a few years ago, and the experience was not pleasant at all. When you actually see in your face the living conditions and experience the coldness of it all, its not good. Honestly I got home after being there for a few hours and felt really really bad. Like sat in my dining room looking around not doing anything because my mind was racing bad.

Its not a cake walk. At all. And I was only there for a few hours.

louisvillebride21 · November 2010

LC, This is so super lame. I remember during troll day, you yelled at 'Sookie' for not sounding like real people from her area. Did Renee sound like a real Cajun? I've never met one...

Moneypenny424 · November 2010

Snippy, you disgust me. I cannot believe you're neither fluent in Italian nor Swedish. If 2 months wasn't enough to learn Swedish, you and Mr. Snippy should have chosen to be unemployed.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · November 2010

I would never raise a kid in Manhattan. Or Los Angeles, for that matter. The people I know who were raised in those areas, by and large, are a little messed up and grew up WAY too fast. Like sex, drugs and alcohol by middle school.

Y I Oughta · November 2010

There are a lot of communities in this country that speak different languages. My FI lived in an area that only spoke Korean. He didn't learn English until he started watching cartoons and went to Kindergarten. He would never have learned if it hadn't been for those two things. He had to teach his parents English. This doesn't mean he isn't American, maybe it means he is more cultured than "some people".

salt78 · November 2010

Jeezus. There is a whole lot of ignorant going on in this thread.

zippityb · November 2010

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[QUOTE]I went to visit a local jail (not prison) with one of my college classes a few years ago, and the experience was not pleasant at all. When you actually see in your face the living conditions and experience the coldness of it all, its not good. Honestly I got home after being there for a few hours and felt really really bad. Like sat in my dining room looking around not doing anything because my mind was racing bad. Its not a cake walk. At all. And I was only there for a few hours.
Posted by Rosie109[/QUOTE]

I toured a juvenile detention center in high school, and it made me so sad. I thought of Christmases and birthdays going uncelebrated and not getting to see/talk to loved ones whenever I wanted. It was cold, and I know that those kids must have felt very alone.

laurenclaire1386 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]LC, This is so super lame. I remember during troll day, you yelled at 'Sookie' for not sounding like real people from her area. Did Renee sound like a real Cajun? I've never met one...
Posted by louisvillebride21[/QUOTE]
He was actually pretty close. It still sounded a little contrived to me, but that's only because I know looooots of people with that accent. But yeah, he did an alright job of it. That's another stereotype of Louisiana: we're not all Cajun. Basically, if you're in the northern half of the state, you're not gonna run across many Cajun accents. It's much more prevalent in the southern half of the state.

Snippylynn · November 2010

I didn't express myself well, but for God's sake. Does anyone in the US realize that MOST of the world speaks more than one language?? All Italians are required to take another language throughout their schooling. Scandinavians are required to take English from kindergarten on. Same with the Netherlands. That's just Europe, ffs.

Why is it everyone has to speak ENGLISH?? Why can't Americans get off their lazy asses and learn another language too?!

kikibaby · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I have no issues with defending how I feel, I'm not upset or mad or any of that so I don't think your are shitstirring. 1.) Austrian and can be traced back 5 generations 2.) No
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

You should really try to take a trip abroad, I think it would be good for you.

MrsMack10612 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]Kjhowd, I'm curious: do you know that other countries also have "for [country language] press 1?" If I call companies that have clients from different backgrounds (like the Chilean airline, for example), I am often given the option to speak to someone in English. I understand the opinion that since people who live in the US should learn English, we shouldn't need to press something for English, but I also think that it's perfectly realistic for businesses to want to serve their customers as well as possible and to realize that some of their customers - even if they are learning or speak decent English - are more comfortable doing business in another language.
Posted by emilyinchile[/QUOTE]

I totally agree that businesses should offer options, particularly international businesses. However, my bank for example, is a small bank with branches only in my area. I don't necessarily think its unreasonable for me to not have to press 1 for English when calling them.

This is a very sticky subject - I don't say that I have all the answers. I think I sometimes just get very very frustrated by it all. I have no qualms about talking to, assisting or helping ESL people at all. I am certainly not racist as someone suggested that anyone who has probelm with non-English speakers or persons with accents might be.

Everyone who has come to this country over the last 200+ years was an immigrant or a refugee; but they made an effort to learn the language and become part of the melting pot. We no longer have a melting pot - we're just little versions of other countries now. It always comes across to me that people aren't even encouraged to learn the language (as they would be elsewhere), we just say ok...everything will be put into 25 different languages.

Moneypenny424 · November 2010

Salt, I love my jeggings too. My mom, on the other hand, asked me what on Earth I was wearing. Clearly, no love for the jeggings there

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MattsPenguin · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : You should like me more - more peanut butter for you!
Posted by emilyinchile[/QUOTE]

Touche!

Anysunrise · November 2010

I can barely keep up with this thread, but my opinion (probably not unpopular) is that people who learn English as a second language usually speak it better than people who grew up speaking it. They may have accents and be hard to understand, but it's not an easy language to learn. A ton of people who speak it as a first language can barely grasp basic grammar.

Y I Oughta · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : I obviously didn't mean just an accent, if I cannot understand them than yes I will explain so and either transfer the call or walk away. What good am I if I can't understand them?
Posted by mgietler76[/QUOTE]

What would you do if (God forbid) something happened here in the US and we all had to leave to live in other countries. Would you walk away form everyone because you couldn't understand them.

Why do you think you are better than other people and won't give them the time of day because they don't speak perfect English.

Do you do this to people that have had a stroke or ar mentally challenged and don't speak perfect enough for you.

salt78 · November 2010

kjhowd - Please make your sig smaller. It's enormous and annoying.

pinkpinot · November 2010

I'm in way too good of a mood to touch on the dog ignorance all up in this thread.

BUT. I USED to have an UO about Twilight and then I decided to read the book on my HM. Holy hell, I scoured Jamaican bookstores to find the second and third books to hold me over until I got home. I'm addicted. I'm pissed I married a human that doesn't SPARKLE.

Wrkn925 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]Salt, I love my jeggings too. My mom, on the other hand, asked me what on Earth I was wearing. Clearly, no love for the jeggings there :).
Posted by Moneypenny424[/QUOTE]

Parents just don't understand.

laurenclaire1386 · November 2010

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[QUOTE]I can barely keep up with this thread, but my opinion (probably not unpopular) is that people who learn English as a second language usually speak it better than people who grew up speaking it. They may have accents and be hard to understand, but it's not an easy language to learn. <strong>A ton of people who speak it as a first language can barely grasp basic grammar.</strong>
Posted by Anysunrise[/QUOTE]
That's an excellent point. Most THIS IS 'MURICA SPEAK ENGLISH GODDAMMIT people couldn't tell me what the difference in a verb and noun is.

zippityb · November 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpopular Opinions : He was actually pretty close. It still sounded a little contrived to me, but that's only because I know looooots of people with that accent. But yeah, he did an alright job of it. That's another stereotype of Louisiana: we're not all Cajun. Basically, if you're in the northern half of the state, you're not gonna run across many Cajun accents. It's much more prevalent in the southern half of the state.
Posted by laurenclaire1386[/QUOTE]

I thought Renee was supposed to be contrived because (SPOILER ALERT) he was a fake Cajun and Sookie found those "speak like a Cajun" tapes.

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