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TurtlesAllTheWayDown · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:509f4791-02e3-4776-be45-8eaa2b7bad41">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]I give Mery the sideeye frequently, but when she announced she wanted the same benefits as military personnel in the Health Bill thread, I wanted to shake something.
Posted by mag920[/QUOTE]

Once again, I probably didn't convey what I meant by that. My point was that it is fine for military people are retirees to get "free" health care and not everyone else? Not to mention the higher percentage of military and elderly people who are conservative and are upset about "government run health care." Well, uh, your health care is run by the government and it seems to NOT have imploded. In fact, the VA system is run fairly well... for health care. I don't see why it can't be implemented on a large scale. JMO. I did NOT mean that our military personnel do not deserve their health care or I do not respect them, AT ALL.

beatlesgirl25 · March 2010

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Salt, but for reasons I can name specifically.

SarahSmile23 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:5716cdc2-a9b9-4ef3-8bb8-af947a305fb4">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : This Has anyone seen the movie Precious? Are you telling me that baby boy who is born from insest who was given nothing but fatty foods in utero, and has a mother whos is HIV+ has the same opportunities at day 1 as the kid who was born in an upper middle class family? And Precious didn't just eat the fatty foods because she liked them. She ate them because it's what is available, and what is cheap. Dollar menue. In inner cities, especially poor inner cities, Mcdonalds is in walking distance, Wholefoods is not. Same opportunities? I think not. Now you'll all dissagree... it's okay... I'm use to it. I am a strong beleiver in social justice.
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

i'm a believer in voluntary social justice, such as volunteer work and charitable donations. i do not support massive federally mandated redistribution of wealth.

even when i was flat broke i didn't eat mcdonalds. i ate kraft mac n cheese and pbj. neither came from whole foods.

opalsky007 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0dd1247a-eedc-4b6f-b6d2-66856bfdfcc5">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]Also, I don't think we should have such a narrow view of success. Doctors, lawyers, and engineers aren't the only people who are "successful." You can work in fast food and be successful. It's a very subjective word. Like Rach said, in different words, our society needs people who do undesirable jobs--collecting trash, working in chicken plants, etc. But to me, I don't automatically write people in those jobs off as unsuccessful.
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

I also completely agree. However, what got us off on this tangent in the first place was the ability to pay for health insurance. Very few people, even successful people, in fast food are supplied with benefits or have the resources to purchase health insurance for themselves.

Btrflykate pointed out yesterday that coverage for herself and her children would have run $1500 a month. What about people who only make that much per month? One statement by Alexia, in which she claimed that people could just better prioritize their spending in order to pay for insurance "by getting rid of their cell phones", among other things, really set me off. For some hard-working Americans, no amount of re-prioritization is going to allow them to spend 50-100% of their monthly pay on health insurance.

/rant

MissLeahM · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:48e7a2ae-e98b-427c-b5a5-bb48a11aed7a">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]I'm too lazy to go back through the thread to check if this overlap exists, but if it does, I flame those people - Anyone who basically said "it's lame for you to be offended by Raptor Jesus" and then also expressed astonishment that Nebb ISN'T offended by BlameCanada's bio. Yeah. So if anyone said both of those things, I flame those people, because, come on. It's dumb to be offended if someone makes a joke about Jesus but POUTINE? MY GOD!
Posted by temerityjane[/QUOTE]

POUTINE IS SACRED!!

SarahSmile23 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:c37e4bed-f1c7-41e5-b3b7-299fb3ebf330">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : This is true. That person would still be a lawyer---but, a degree from a top tier law school will produce better outcomes (job placement and whatnot) than a degree, from--let's say, The University of Toledo law school.
Posted by RachNRich[/QUOTE]

but what's wrong with that? i don't mean that in bitchy way. i really don't understand. some people are over-achievers, but i'd still be proud if i had a law degree from a state school.

BecW2be · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:cd56567f-4468-44e4-8d20-61ff3e95bfa9">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]Nuggs, why is okay for people to say you're running on CPT, though? If I'm late, my friends don't blame it on my race. They'd probably just be annoyed. Not chalk it up to a character flaw that's shared by millions of people due to some genes. I remembered my other flame. The girl who posted about her cousin possibly picking the same wedding date based on the Chinese lunar calendar and how to address it. A lot of regulars made fun of her, brimcleod commented, everyone flipped out at her, and the OP got really upset. <strong>She actually PMed me and I apologized on behalf of the board.</strong> Come on, she was a newb. I know posts get way off topic sometimes, but she deserved a serious answer to her question. So I'm not flaming her, I'm flaming the regs who were being ridiculous in that thread.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Well, that was a really stupid thing to do. I don't think any of those regs need or want to apologize.

opalsky007 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:42031782-7e7f-4368-abd3-8b266396128f">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Once again, I probably didn't convey what I meant by that. <strong>My point was that it is fine for military people are retirees to get "free" health care and not everyone else?</strong> Not to mention the higher percentage of military and elderly people who are conservative and are upset about "government run health care." Well, uh, your health care is run by the government and it seems to NOT have imploded. In fact, the VA system is run fairly well... for health care. I don't see why it can't be implemented on a large scale. JMO. I did NOT mean that our military personnel do not deserve their health care or I do not respect them, AT ALL.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Among other things, the difference between the average retiree and a military retiree is that the military retiree often has health issues as a direct result of military service. My FIL is one such example: years of piloting Chinooks destroyed much of the cartilage in his spine. If he were to go looking for private insurance, it'd be a pre-existing condition. But he doesn't have to go looking, so he gets care for the injuries caused by his service to the federal government.

AlexiaANDRobert · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:c0065960-b2dd-4edd-8fcf-41fb37ea8d31">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I also completely agree. However, what got us off on this tangent in the first place was the ability to pay for health insurance. Very few people, even successful people, in fast food are supplied with benefits or have the resources to purchase health insurance for themselves. Btrflykate pointed out yesterday that coverage for herself and her children would have run $1500 a month. <strong>What about people who only make that much per month? One statement by Alexia, in which she claimed that people could just better prioritize their spending in order to pay for insurance "by getting rid of their cell phones", among other things, really set me off. </strong>For some hard-working Americans, no amount of re-prioritization is going to allow them to spend 50-100% of their monthly pay on health insurance. /rant
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

Actually, the proper quote of what I said is: "I also think that if more people took private health insurance as seriously as their car payment or cell phone, then yes, you probably can afford it. Or figure out a way to fit it in your budget."

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0f1922a1-a763-4f3d-aa4a-955e7c0a21e7">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]Aw man, my flame's already been taken. I do like mery, but that whole "I want 'free' government healthcare like the military gets" thing was just kind of thoughtless. I know it's stupid, but I've randomly kind of stewed about it all week, not just because mery said it, but because if someone said it, then more than one person likely thinks it. <strong>Yes, Buddy's healthcare is "paid" for with tax dollars, just like his salary, our house, and a host of other benefits. As far as I'm concerned, though, your taxes aren't paying for his health care, your taxes are paying for YOUR freedom from compulsory service or a draft. The US military is fully volunteer and will stay that way as long as the government continues to balance to costs (your tax money) with the attractiveness of joining the service. Paying for solidiers/airmens/sailors health care ensures that the necessary numbers stay met and you, or your future children, are not subject to a draft of sorts. Sorry. I just had more to say.</strong>
Posted by temerityjane[/QUOTE]

That you for your comment. After you guys called me out on it in that post (I didn't respond there because I came back to the thread later on) I did think about it and I realize that military health care is a lot like employer-based health care, where the military's employer is, of course, the federal government. Plus, like I said, I fully support our military receiving every benefit they are entitled to. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

mandybear7 · March 2010

mery- Walter Reed Army Medical Center? I seem to remember lots of stories about sub-par health care for the military, which I know they have been trying to remedy. My cousin just busted his ankle in Afghanistan and he dreads going to his local VA for treatment. I don't want to continue to stir this up, but health care is all around screwed up.

Carebear517 · March 2010

I flame Laurenclaire for smoking in her house while her FI was out of town. That's just gross.

JessAndTrav · March 2010

I'm so late to this.

Who's going to flame arbolita for her RaptorJesus? I'm a Christian, and I think it's funny. Lighten up.

And I agree 100% that you should encourage your children to be successful at whatever they choose to do with their lives. Of course you should discourage them from becoming drug dealers and that sort of thing, but if my child came to me and said, "Mom, I really want to be a social worker" or "Mom, I think I want to become a general manager of Starbucks."

Do social workers bathe in 100 dollar bills? Definitely not, but it sure is an honorable profession. It's honest work with an honest pay.

smokeybailey · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:31c92d53-9f16-44d5-9a9c-753d063963f8">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I'm a strong believer in social justice too. Your previous statements don't really tie into that. I think you can believe in it without having the government involved. Once upon a time, people used to help eachother instead of relying on the government.
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

When did people not rely on the government? Was this before social security that came out of the depression? Before gov't work programs that put the unemployeed back to work? Or maybe it was when the country was "growing" and the government gave land to CERTAIN men and provided military support to "clear off" any Native Americans that might get in the way of manifest destiny. Or was it when the government supported the use of slaves and instituted laws that helped the wealthy white male landowners keep their slaves and gave them an advantage in Congress with the 3/5 compromise amendment to the Constitution.

The government has been helping out the wealthy for probably longer that its been helping the poor but I would still like to know more about this simpler time when people didn't rely on the government. Please, tell me more.

kkchisholm · March 2010

<div align="center">In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:2ace70aa-9392-43ae-9719-2e713e6d21f0">Re: FFF</a>:
</div>[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : i'm a believer in voluntary social justice, such as volunteer work and charitable donations. i do not support massive federally mandated redistribution of wealth. even when i was flat broke i didn't eat mcdonalds. i ate kraft mac n cheese and pbj. neither came from whole foods.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

Mac n cheese and pbj are not healthy either, and I meant any major grocery store; shaws, hannaford, croger...where ever you shop. But I guess you can get those things are your local 711 too. And I am a supporter for the distributuions of weath and resources, and that is probably why we always dissagree! That's okay though, the world needs that. I really respect your opinions though because you continue to stand up for what you beleive in without being an ass. Heels too.

JessAndTrav · March 2010

Rach, I have to disagree with you.

I worked hard for my degree, and I didn't want to come out owing money in student loans, so I went to state school. I have a friend that insisted on going to a private university. She's a teacher. I'm going to be a teacher.

The difference? I don't owe a penny to anyone, and she owes many pennies.

EDIT: I hit the wrong quote link.

opalsky007 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:c006e5f4-9182-4a3b-b666-ed77876e5c20">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Actually, the proper quote of what I said is: "I also think that if more people took private health insurance as seriously as their car payment or cell phone, then yes, you probably can afford it. Or figure out a way to fit it in your budget."
Posted by AlexiaANDRobert[/QUOTE]

Okay, fine. Sorry for the misquote. There are still plenty of people who take health insurance very seriously, and no amount of "trying to make it fit" is going to make it fit. My cousin is a single mother of two and works for a car rental place--the best job she can get. To buy insurance for her family would be 75% of her monthly budget. I guess you could say she decided to take feeding her children more seriously than buying them insurance.

btrflykate1230 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:c0065960-b2dd-4edd-8fcf-41fb37ea8d31">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I also completely agree. However, what got us off on this tangent in the first place was the ability to pay for health insurance. Very few people, even successful people, in fast food are supplied with benefits or have the resources to purchase health insurance for themselves. Btrflykate pointed out yesterday that coverage for herself and her children would have run $1500 a month. What about people who only make that much per month? One statement by Alexia, in which she claimed that people could just better prioritize their spending in order to pay for insurance "by getting rid of their cell phones", among other things, really set me off. For some hard-working Americans, <strong>no amount of re-prioritization is going to allow them to spend 50-100% of their monthly pay on health insuranc</strong>e. /rant
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

<div>Eye-to-eye.</div><div>
</div><div>I also have only one kid, and was using the typical American family as an example, but, I'm glad you got the idea!</div>

RachNRich · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0ed8e640-efec-45a4-ad41-2931502020f7">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : but what's wrong with that? i don't mean that in bitchy way. i really don't understand. some people are over-achievers, but i'd still be proud if i had a law degree from a state school.
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

<div>I'd be proud too. I wouldn't mind, and -in fact--am working on my PhD at the University of Toledo----so, I clearly wasn't trying to take a poo on it.</div><div>
</div><div>My point was that there is a difference between a degree from Harvard and a degree from a state school. The difference isn't necessarily visible, as both degrees are...well, degrees. But, the difference, I think, would come in the form of a job. If there was one job opening, and two individuals applied for the job with the exact same grades, same degree (i.e. law), very similar backgrounds---I have a feeling Harvard would win out over University of Toledo law grad. </div>

tidetravel · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0dcadbb5-7f8d-41f6-9116-370b1ed0f0ae">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]I flame three things this week: <strong>Tide, for complaining the county/city was getting on her to clean up her yard. I don't know the situation, but where I'm from (upstate NY) it takes a LOT for them to warn you to clean your property. As in, they think it is a safety hazard for either fires or infestation. Not just, "there's a bunch of leaves you haven't raked and your grass is 6 inches tall</strong>." AndyandHillary for saying that Walmart Cashiers and McDonald's cooks basicalyl choose their own profession and they ALL could be graduates of Harvard law if they really applied themselves (also from one of the healthcare threads) And then Lynda, too, like PP said. I had a third one, though. I hope I remember it.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

Since you freely admit that you don't know the situation, I don't know why this is even a flame. Just because it doesn't happen where you live doesn't mean that you get to apply those standards to the rest of the world. MmmmKay?

While the yard isn't in the best shape, the fact is that we have a history with this particular inspector, she is harassing us, and basically, she's the boss, so there's no one to complain to. There are other houses on the street that are 10X worse than ours, and they haven't gotten written up.

kkchisholm · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:a7e3072f-ce14-4ec1-9d23-a02b3fc40a3f">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : When did people not rely on the government? Was this before social security that came out of the depression? Before gov't work programs that put the unemployeed back to work? Or maybe it was when the country was "growing" and the government gave land to CERTAIN men and provided military support to "clear off" any Native Americans that might get in the way of manifest destiny. Or was it when the government supported the use of slaves and instituted laws that helped the wealthy white male landowners keep their slaves and gave them an advantage in Congress with the 3/5 compromise amendment to the Constitution. The government has been helping out the wealthy for probably longer that its been helping the poor but I would still like to know more about this simpler time when people didn't rely on the government. Please, tell me more.
Posted by smokeybailey[/QUOTE]

Please tell me more as well.

SarahSmile23 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0194d4bd-89b2-47c2-9ac1-04e00281991f">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Mac n cheese and pbj are not healthy either, and I meant any major grocery store; shaws, hannaford, croger...where ever you shop. But I guess you can get those things are your local 711 too. And I am a supporter for the distributuions of weath and resources, and that is probably why we always dissagree! That's okay though, the world needs that. I really respect your opinions though because you continue to stand up for what you beleive in without being an ass. Heels too.
Posted by kkchisholm[/QUOTE]

pbj has GOT to be healthier than mcdonalds, right? hahaha! but i do concede that you're right that when you're broke you can't afford the nutritious goodies you can when you have the money to buy the fresh veggies and such. i suppose now would be a bad time to admit that i still eat mac n cheese like 3 times a week?

thank you, and i respect your opinions, too. while i'm at it, i also respect mery for saying what she just did about the military insurance. it's hard to come on and say, "i thought about it more and i was wrong."

JessAndTrav · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:d3ec3f86-b654-49fa-b5eb-832bfda78592">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Okay, fine. Sorry for the misquote. There are still plenty of people who take health insurance very seriously, and no amount of "trying to make it fit" is going to make it fit. My cousin is a single mother of two and works for a car rental place--the best job she can get. To buy insurance for her family would be 75% of her monthly budget. I guess you could say she decided to take feeding her children more seriously than buying them insurance.
Posted by opalsky007[/QUOTE]

I agree.

My mother did without a lot so that she could provide for us when we were kids.

When she and my dad got married, they decided she'd be a homemaker and he would work, because he made (and still makes) plenty of money to survive on a single income.

When they got divorced, she had to settle on a job. There wasn't time to go to school and get a degree. She was a waitress for my entire childhood. We wouldn't have had health coverage if it wasn't for my dad...and she never had health coverage.

I guess she thought that keeping us from being destitute was more important.

tidetravel · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:42031782-7e7f-4368-abd3-8b266396128f">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Once again, I probably didn't convey what I meant by that. My point was that it is fine for military people are retirees to get "free" health care and not everyone else? Not to mention the higher percentage of military and elderly people who are conservative and are upset about "government run health care." <strong>Well, uh, your health care is run by the government and it seems to NOT have imploded. In fact, the VA system is run fairly well... for health care</strong>. I don't see why it can't be implemented on a large scale. JMO. I did NOT mean that our military personnel do not deserve their health care or I do not respect them, AT ALL.
Posted by msmerymac[/QUOTE]

I can't think of one person that has had a good experience with the VA. Mostly, they deal with red tape and bullshit.

andyandhillary · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:0dd1247a-eedc-4b6f-b6d2-66856bfdfcc5">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]Also, I don't think we should have such a narrow view of success. Doctors, lawyers, and engineers aren't the only people who are "successful." You can work in fast food and be successful. It's a very subjective word. Like Rach said, in different words, our society needs people who do undesirable jobs--collecting trash, working in chicken plants, etc. But to me, I don't automatically write people in those jobs off as unsuccessful.
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

Don't push this standard on me. I never said that. But I don't think people should cry victim to someone who works those jobs ALL THE TIME. I think my mother is a very successful person, even as a cleaning woman. I knew a guy who was a manager at mcdonalds when I worked there and he was successful. Was it a glamorous job? No. but he didn't care because it put food on his table and paid just as well as many other jobs which require higher education.

SarahSmile23 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:eeff049a-12df-4f1c-8e38-0ea303d7b505">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : I have to disagree with you. I worked hard for my degree, and I didn't want to come out owing money in student loans, so I went to state school. I have a friend that insisted on going to a private university. She's a teacher. I'm going to be a teacher. The difference? I don't owe a penny to anyone, and she owes many pennies.
Posted by JessAndTrav[/QUOTE]
i have no idea what your point is. lol. i was stating that someone can be suceesful with a state degree and your argument seems to actually agree with me! :)

JessAndTrav · March 2010

PS: If you do it right, PB&J isn't totally unhealthy.

There's protein in the PB, and if you get the natural PB, then there aren't preservatives or sugar.

If you get a jelly that's organic and natural, then you have fruit with as little chemicals and sugar as possible.

Or you can sub the jelly for local honey, which helps you build up immunities to things in the air in your area. It helps fight allergies and illnesses.

ETA: I forgot about the bread. Choose a bread that's whole grain whole wheat.

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:df66c59e-eb03-4aa9-a9b6-2b0299f0c4c4">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : She DID get quite a few serious answers, from a variety of people.
Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

Actually, I think I was one of the few who did try to answer her seriously, which is why she PMed me.

Sarah, I didn't flame Heels, although I disagree with her, because she shared her own anecdotal story, so in her situation, that was true, fine. Again, I disagree that is true in every case, and I questioned her, but I can see how and why she thinks that. I have no idea if AndyandHillary has ANY experience to back up what she said, but I'm guessing not.

JessAndTrav · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:1a233b0c-42dc-4c1d-a4d3-e2fc5bdcc470">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : i have no idea what your point is. lol. i was stating that someone can be suceesful with a state degree and your argument seems to actually agree with me! :)
Posted by SarahSmile23[/QUOTE]

Sorry, that was to Rach. I must've hit quote on the wrong person! ;)

goheels05 · March 2010

In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_fff-24?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:9bd9d026-06c1-4f5f-b2d1-efa516f01de7Post:b29c193c-0526-4ece-abbd-f5716b79990c">Re: FFF</a>:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FFF : Don't push this standard on me. I never said that. But I don't think people should cry victim to someone who works those jobs ALL THE TIME. I think my mother is a very successful person, even as a cleaning woman. I knew a guy who was a manager at mcdonalds when I worked there and he was successful. Was it a glamorous job? No. but he didn't care because it put food on his table and paid just as well as many other jobs which require higher education.
Posted by andyandhillary[/QUOTE]

Oh, that wasn't targeted at anyone in particular, it was just an observation. Remember, I'm on the same side of the fence as you on this topic.

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