This makes me sick..

[Deleted User] · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Where is the uproar over the NFL players that have done much worse? Ray Lewis killed two guys in a nightclub. Donte Stallworthe got drunk and killed a pedestrian. Eric Green sodomozized and raped a transexual woman. Perrish Cox is under investigation for sexual assault. Ben Roethlesburger raped a young woman.Rae Carruth murdered his pregnant girlfriend. These are just a very small number of the more major stories that happen almost every day. What Vick did was reprehensible, but where is the outrage over the rest of them? Ray Lewis is a freaking hero. The double standard blows my mind.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

I'm nodding my head to this.

aprovencher21 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Well Obama has to stay relevant some way...... They are both morons.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Blue I'm gonna kiss you.....

LessThanZero · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : <strong>Reading fail</strong>. I still think it sucks
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

I still think you're pretty cool. : )

Blueyed228 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Huh. I honestly never thought about this, so I don't necessarily disagree (and it seems a few other agree with this, too) but what is the reasoning behind this? Is it because it's a very public profession? Or because they make a lot of money? Just curious.
Posted by arwo[/QUOTE]

Its because it is a private organization that makes millions of dollars off of the youth in this country. They are heroes to kids and claim to be role models. The owners of the organization should have a better conscience about who they let in. They have the right to make up any rules they want. This should be one of them.

You dont get to be a child rapist and work in a school, so in my mind you shouldnt get to be a role model to kids if you commit a felony. Kids should be taught that actions have consequences.

NatesGirl16 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : Huh. I honestly never thought about this, so I don't necessarily disagree (and it seems a few other agree with this, too) but what is the reasoning behind this? Is it because it's a very public profession? Or because they make a lot of money? Just curious.
Posted by arwo[/QUOTE]
I'm not answering for Blue. IMO, it's because they're in such a public profession. You know that kids and even adults look up to those players, so you should hold them to a higher standard of behavior. (collective you)

I always laugh to myself when I see our HS players wearing their dress-up clothes on game days because "they should have respect for themselves." WHile I totally agree with the sentiment, where is the self-respect or respect for others demonstrated by professional players? Clearly, there are respectable players, but I'm so sick of players and celebrities catching a break when people IRL are getting thrown away for years over the same crimes.

jessienjeremy · December 2010

They never proved Ben did it! JK.. I don't like him either...

I love how eminem uses his name in a song on his new album

reddy123 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]<strong>If you got took all the convicted felons out of teh NFL and NBA, you wouldn't have anyone left to play</strong>. <a href="http://nflcrimes.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nflcrimes.blogspot.com/</a> Sports Illustrated wrote a very good story about how Vick's arrest has made such an improvement in how dog fighting cases were prosecuted because it used to be brushed under the rug. I will try to find it.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

<div>I totally disagree. I would rather watch sports with fewer scores/stats, but with honest players anyway. Think about the baseball players that have been caught with enhancing drugs, yeah they're stats are awesome, but so what? They suck. Who's to say there aren't morally awesome players that aren't chosen for the NFL/NBA but would be and would thrive there, if there were different standards? There's no way of knowing.</div>

LessThanZero · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : They were actually a very big deal at the time when they were relevant.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

Oh I know, I was thinking more of the difference between this actual story and all the other ones when they happened in the past. It was sort of in jest.

ricksang · December 2010

I think the dog issue was a huge deal b/c unfortunately, a lot of people have more compassion for animals. I have equal compassion for animals and people, but a lot of people do not.
Animals are completely helpless in these situations. They can't pick up the phone. They can't cry for help. They can't walk away from their abusers. If they bite , they automatically die. And, what is different about Vick is he didn't abuse one dog, he abuse DOZENS of dogs. He didn't just not feed the dogs. He drowned hem in pools. Slammed them on concrete until they died. He chocked them to death. So, even though other players have done equally terrible things, Vick did more off them and he seems to be getting rewarded for his shitastic behavior. Player who have commited crimes have not reaped the rewards this jerk has.

arwo · December 2010

Fair enough! I can see how it can be damaging to have high-profile people basically get away with serious crimes. I don't really think it's fair to hold people to a higher standard just because they are professional athletes; on other side of that coin, however, is that I don't think it's fair to let them off the hook for their crimes.

[Deleted User] · December 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: This makes me sick.. : I totally disagree. I would rather watch sports with fewer scores/stats, but with honest players anyway. Think about the baseball players that have been caught with enhancing drugs, yeah they're stats are awesome, but so what? They suck. Who's to say there aren't morally awesome players that aren't chosen for the NFL/NBA but would be and would thrive there, if there were different standards? There's no way of knowing.
Posted by reddy123[/QUOTE]

But I don't think that's what she's saying. She's saying that if you instantaneously removed the convicted players, there wouldn't be a lot left. Not that removing the players would ruin the game. I actually think you guys are arguing the same point.

allisong23 · December 2010

So the smount of money you make means you are more accountable? Who defines what jobs and professions are held to a higher standard?

reddy123 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]The guy spent 3 years in prison ands lost more than $100 million. He has spent a lot of time and money since his release speaking out against animal abuse. At what point will he have paid the price? Let's say Joe Schmo is arrested for the same thing. He probably would not have spent that long in jail, and he would never lose that much money. He would get out and go back to work. Why is it different with Vick? He paid a much harsher penalty than anyone else ever would, and I think he also has the right to go back to work. Just because his talent is playing football and not pumping gas should not make a difference. You can't say that criminals can be rehabbed without putting the same standard up against Vick.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

<div>But I don't think he paid harsh enough penalty and probably never will. I agree with PP's about a football player being in the public eye and being different, but I would be just as enraged at the gas-pumper and wanting longer jail time for him too.</div><div>
</div><div>Are you playing devil's advocate or do you really want forgiveness for Vick or are you sick of people latching on this and not letting go? </div><div>
</div><div>*ETA Just curious, that last question came across bitchy but wasn't meaning to... :)</div>

ricksang · December 2010

I don't think hard core criminals can be rehabed, but that's a different thread, no?

I think the average Joe Schmo doesn't have 100 million dollars to spare so of course they won't be penalized that way. Yes, he has paid a harsher penalty and like I said, it should be that way b/c he is in the public eye. I sure a hell don't think he should be playing ball. He's a POS and my opinion will not change.

Anyway my original point was I don't think the president needs to be in the GD entertainment news so much, Michael Vick or no MV.

ricksang · December 2010

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[QUOTE]So the smount of money you make means you are more accountable? Who defines what jobs and professions are held to a higher standard?
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

Let's see ,children see this guy on TV all day long. He is idolized by many. Do you want your child to idolize someone who kills dogs just for funsies?

Also I think if you are going to be any type of professional be it a doctor or a football player, you should conduct yourself with a some dignity and respect.

NatesGirl16 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]So the smount of money you make means you are more accountable? Who defines what jobs and professions are held to a higher standard?
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]
Well, whether it's right or not, it's true. I'm held to a different standard than most people because of my profession.

I get what you're saying, and even agree with the basic principle (that we should all be held to equal standards), but, at the same time, I think that if you are in a position in which you influence children (either being touted a "role model" or as a school employee, etc) and when your actions extend so far beyond your own self, I do think you should be held to a different standard.

Blueyed228 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]The guy spent 3 years in prison ands lost more than $100 million. He has spent a lot of time and money since his release speaking out against animal abuse. At what point will he have paid the price? Let's say Joe Schmo is arrested for the same thing. He probably would not have spent that long in jail, and he would never lose that much money. He would get out and go back to work. Why is it different with Vick? He paid a much harsher penalty than anyone else ever would, and I think he also has the right to go back to work. Just because his talent is playing football and not pumping gas should not make a difference. You can't say that criminals can be rehabbed without putting the same standard up against Vick.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]

Ok, my issue here with the whole "he did his time" was that he actually got off pretty easy.

He got out early, got to serve part of his sentence at home (23 months, not 3 years). He also didnt lose that money in hand. He lost 100's of millions in endorsements. he also owes a shitton more money to creditors, filed bankruptcy, yet bought his baby mama a 90K Porche a few weeks ago.

He spoke out about animal cruelty only a handful of times. He still will not admit that he did anything wrong. He lied about the situation, said he had no part in it. He only got 23 months because he lied and wouldnt come clean to the judge about his involvement. His co-defendants got less time because they told the truth about what they did. While out on bail, he failed a drug test and failed a polygraph test. He didnt take any of it seriously until he got sentenced.

His punishment was not harsher than others would have been. He lied to a federal judge, he should have gotten more time for that. And people forget about the whole illegal gambling part of the operation.

I get that he served his time, but I hate the argument that he was treated unfairly just because he is an athlete, when in fact it was the opposite. He got less time because of who he is.

allisong23 · December 2010

Reddy, I think he has paid a higher price than others in the same situation have, and the double standard makes me crazy. Charlie Sheen is a drunk drug addict that beats the crap out of women, and millions still watch his show and he makes a fortune. The uproar over Vick is much higher than the uproar over Sheen. Why? He is on national television that is widely watched by kids. How is that different?

Like I said, what he did was truly awful and he should have been punished. People will never forget what he did. Do I think that he can never have a productive life ever again? No, especially if he is making amends.

ricksang · December 2010

Blue good points.

I hate Charlie Sheen as well and I think he should not have a movie career.

ricksang · December 2010

And then there is this

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/birds-nest/Vick__I_Would_Still_Be_Dogfighting_if_I_Wasn_t_Caught_Philadelphia-111486994.html

NatesGirl16 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Reddy, I think he has paid a higher price than others in the same situation have, and the double standard makes me crazy. Charlie Sheen is a drunk drug addict that beats the crap out of women, and millions still watch his show and he makes a fortune. The uproar over Vick is much higher than the uproar over Sheen. Why? He is on national television that is widely watched by kids. How is that different? Like I said, what he did was truly awful and he should have been punished. People will never forget what he did. Do I think that he can never have a productive life ever again? No, especially if he is making amends.
Posted by allisong23[/QUOTE]
I get what you're saying. I don't think he should have to pay for his crime for the rest of his life, but I do think he should lose the status he previously had. IMO, you had a chance at this amazing lfiestyle, you did something bad, you lose your financial status and prestige. Go get a job at BK now.

I just hate that because of their celebrity, these people get away with murder (and literally, for many of them) and are never held more accountable. If you want the public lifestyle so many of them live, it should come with more stringent consequences. After all, how many non-criminals never get to realize their football/acting/whatever dreams? Kick these douchebags out and let someone else have a shot.

Edited for clarity.

Blueyed228 · December 2010

I also wonder where all the forgiveness will be for Mel Gibson when he comes back?

undyingmizery · December 2010

Everyone has great points but I still don't think he deserves to be praised by the president. He did get punishment not enough in my personal opinion but I think this guy is getting WAY to much attention and praise about all of this. It's almost like rewarding bad behaviour in a way (figurativly speaking)

allisong23 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]I also wonder where all the forgiveness will be for Mel Gibson when he comes back?
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

He is anoher scumbag.

ricksang · December 2010

I think we can all agree that women are perfect (even the celebs) and men suck. JK :P

jasmineh7777 · December 2010

I don't think professional athletes deserve the absurb amount of money they make. I've said this before, but I don't see how professional sports are important, how they make the world better.

Film, music, and other forms of entertainment can spark social change. This is why we hold these people to a higher standard. This is also why I'm not *as* bothered by the crazy amount of money these people make.

That being said, I don't support people like Mel Gibson who are just BAD people. Why should Vick be given a second chance? He was given one hell of a chance when he became a pro athlete. He got paid millions to play a game. He fvcked that up by being a disgusting animal abuser. He doesn't deserve to still make millions. I don't care how much time her served.

undyingmizery · December 2010

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[QUOTE]I also wonder where all the forgiveness will be for Mel Gibson when he comes back?
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I have wondered this myself..

NuggetBrain · December 2010

I *heart* me some pitties. But I will say that I don't understand people who say killing a dog is just as bad as killing a human. No. No, it is not. That doesn't mean it's a horrible crime, and that it's a violation of some of my strongest held morals, including not abusing those weaker than you or who depend on you. But killing an animal is not worse or on the same level as killing a human. If I had to pick, I'm sorry, but I'm going to pick my neighbor over my dog. And I don't want people who kill animals to be sentenced to life in prison, because I'll be damned if overcrowding gets worse and drug dealers and robbers and wife beaters are set free sooner because of it.

That being said - anybody who has a child and doesn't have a better hand in who their child idolizes, don't hold the player responsible for that. That's your own damn fault. My mom raised my brother not to idolize professional athletes because they weren't gods, they were normal human beings who made bad choices and sometimes did horrible things, and as entertaining as they were to watch a vast majority of them end up broke and/or faded away by the time they hit 35. So while he loved watching hockey, and loved playing hockey, he wanted to grow up to be a pharmacist.

PS - I think Vick is a giant douchecanoe and shouldn't be allowed within 12 feet of a dog let alone own one. But I also agree that people are holding onto this WAY longer than they did Big Ben's shenanigans, or even Kobe's bullsh*t from a few years ago.

PPS - Mel Gibson is a waste of space. I've hated him for years.

Blueyed228 · December 2010

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[QUOTE]Mel Gibson just needs to go away.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

EVERYBODY DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE!!

NuggetBrain · December 2010

Also, saying "I'm glad you're giving Joe Smith a second chance to contribute productively to society" is not the same as saying "Go you! VICK IS MY DAWG, YO."

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