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K Byte · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : This annoys the hell out of me. This may be YOUR experience, but it is absolutely not true here. We have very strict anti-violence programs in place in our state and not ALL teachers pander to outside forces. Do not lump me in with the negative adults you experienced.
Posted by npasquale16[/QUOTE]

You may have anti-violence programs, but I never experienced violence. Words hurt way worse and too often adults turn a blind eye to that kind of bullying and willfully ignore it thinking that it's just kids being kids and the victims will outgrow it. Sorry if you're offended but that's just been MY experience.

RachNRich · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I feel the same way about dog, East. Not a fan. I don't hate them, but I don't think they are awesome either.<strong> I don't think that people should be allowed to have credit cards until they are 25. Yes, there are a ton of responsible 18 - 25 year olds out there, but there are also a double ton of irresponsible kids that just get credit cards to get a free t shirt and then end up ruining their credit for the next 15 years. It's sad</strong>.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

<div>I feel like I've had this discussion recently....in person....*scratches head*...who could it have been with!?</div>

Lenore2010 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I love coach and cats.
Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

I am with you Shoegal.

I am sick to dealth of the word "tacky". I love lots of the people who use it, and I have used it at times, but yikes can we ease up on that one?

I know, I know someone is going to post "that's tacky!"

jasmineh7777 · July 2010

npasquale- I think if it's something you've experienced, then you are going to be more adamant about it. K's just talking about her experience, because that's what she has to go off of.

I think that I should have all of my legal rights at age 18, including drinking. Because once I'm an adult, I should have the freedom to make mistakes. We need to stop trying to protect people from themselves. Mistakes are how we learn.

Galaxy8227 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I think anyone over the age of 65 should have to take a yearly driving test in order to keep his or her license.
Posted by BecW2be[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree with this. It's scary how many people are out there driving who can't really see anymore, or hear the cars around them.

pirategal03 · July 2010

I think that speeding tickets, and other violation penalty fees, should be based on a percentage of your income (with a set minimum for those without "income"), instead of a set amount.

npasquale16 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : You may have anti-violence programs, but I never experienced violence. Words hurt way worse and too often adults turn a blind eye to that kind of bullying and willfully ignore it thinking that it's just kids being kids and the victims will outgrow it. Sorry if you're offended but that's just been MY experience.
Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]
Anti-violence includes all forms of violence, invective and hate-filled speech, etc. Just so you know.

I also think parents should be held responsible for their children's vicious actions. We document a TON of cases each year, but we only have so much power over the consequences students receive. We can suspend, send to counseling, (and repeatedly we do), but parents must be held accountable as well.

jasmineh7777 · July 2010

Pasquale- Is that a family name? I ask because my very Italian grandfather's middle name was Pasquale.

pirategal03 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Anti-violence includes all forms of violence, invective and hate-filled speech, etc. Just so you know. I also think parents should be held responsible for their children's vicious actions. We document a TON of cases each year, but we only have so much power over the consequences students receive. We can suspend, send to counseling, (and repeatedly we do), <strong>but parents must be held accountable as well.</strong>
Posted by npasquale16[/QUOTE]

Here the parents can be forced to go to parenting classes. I'm not sure on all the particulars that cause this to happen.

[Deleted User] · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Hmm.. no, not really. <strong>Inexperienced driving and harming others and other peoples property is generally their rationale behind the policy.</strong> I think there should be a distinction and divide between making stupid decisions that affect only yourself (credit card debt), and making decisions that could harm or kill others (driving). I agree with you though - I think 21 is a good age. I think 14 is way too young to drive, and 19 too young to drive. I also think that you should have to be at least 21 to get married.
Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

Right. Which is exacerbated by the fact that they are young and may not have a full grasp of the consequences of their actions at that age. How is that different from my rationale regarding credit cards? It's not. The premise is the same. Some young people lack the ability to think of the big picture when it comes to the long term outcome of actions they take.

npasquale16 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]npasquale- <strong>I think if it's something you've experienced, then you are going to be more adamant about it. </strong>K's just talking about her experience, because that's what she has to go off of. I think that I should have all of my legal rights at age 18, including drinking. Because once I'm an adult, I should have the freedom to make mistakes. We need to stop trying to protect people from themselves. Mistakes are how we learn.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
I was <strong>severly </strong>bullied in 7th/8th grade as well, for my physical appearance. I was called the meanest, most vicious names imaginable. I <strong>understand</strong> from first hand experience. I'm saying that no one should be lumped into one group, as in all teachers want to be liked and look the other way.

J&K10910 · July 2010

I hate when kids do something terrible (or they fail in school, etc) and people immediately say "Where were the parents?!" Even though it's not the most common thing, it is completely possible to have excellent parents and an excellent home life and still do bad things as a kid.

I also hate when kids do one major bad thing (or have a year or two of bad things) and people automatically write them off as "bad kids" for the rest of their lives. One of the great things about not being an adult is that you are constantly changing. Kids have the capacity to change way more than adults do.

shoegal715 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Right. Which is exacerbated by the fact that they are young and may not have a full grasp of the consequences of their actions at that age. How is that different from my rationale regarding credit cards? It's not. The premise is the same. Some young people lack the ability to think of the big picture when it comes to the long term outcome of actions they take.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

<div>But it's a different type of inexperience. Inexperience in the skill of driving vs. just being stupid at managing money. Also, I think the whole personal vs. public danger should be a major factor and consideration as well. </div><div>
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mrscarter052011 · July 2010

I understand that some women want their pretty, pretty princess day and I will not deny anyone what they want but I will judge and roll my eyes at every ugly, glitter, rhinestone, beaded and feathered DIY project that they post and expect people to gush over.

And, I hate puffy paint too.

maratea · July 2010

I think it's ridiculous that I can drink, drive, smoke, buy lottery tickets and die for my country in the military, but I can't rent a fuucking car, or the fee is so high I can't afford it. I think they should have to rent cars to anyone of legal driving age, but for a certain age group (say 16-21) make them also get the insurance.

[Deleted User] · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I hate Seshat for making me want Doritos.
Posted by goheels05[/QUOTE]

I hate Seshat too because now I have given myself a craving and no Doritos at home.

npasquale16 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]Pasquale- Is that a family name? I ask because my very Italian grandfather's middle name was Pasquale.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]
An "in the family" name, yes :) . It means "Easter family", which is why I use it.

eastunder1 · July 2010

I think The Olive Garden sucks.

J&K10910 · July 2010

I think being irresponsible with money IS a public danger. Young adults go into thousands and thousands of dollars of debt. Then take the "easy" way out and declare bankruptcy. Then the places that are owed money take a hit and don't get their money. Which affects the economy. Which effects everyone.

(not to say this is the case with all young adults with credit cards or even al young adults that get in over their heads.)

npasquale16 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I hate when kids do something terrible (or they fail in school, etc) and people immediately say "Where were the parents?!" Even though it's not the most common thing, it is completely possible to have excellent parents and an excellent home life and still do bad things as a kid. I <strong>also hate when kids do one major bad thing (or have a year or two of bad things) and people automatically write them off as "bad kids" </strong>for the rest of their lives. One of the great things about not being an adult is that you are constantly changing. Kids have the capacity to change way more than adults do.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]
YES! This happens WAY too often. I've even had parents say, "Well, he's the bad one." UGH

shoegal715 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]<strong>I think being irresponsible with money IS a public danger. Young adults go into thousands and thousands of dollars of debt. Then take the "easy" way out and declare bankruptcy. Then the places that are owed money take a hit and don't get their money. Which effects the economy. Which effects everyone</strong>. (not to say this is the case with all young adults with credit cards or even al young adults that get in over their heads.)
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

<div>I think that's a huge stretch. </div>

TurtlesAllTheWayDown · July 2010

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[QUOTE]I don't mind paying taxes, not even a little. I enjoy all the things my taxes pay for and I'd be willing to pay even more in taxes for things like free healthcare and higher education.
Posted by jasmineh7777[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%!

[Deleted User] · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : But it's a different type of inexperience. Inexperience in the skill of driving vs. just being stupid at managing money. Also, I think the whole personal vs. public danger should be a major factor and consideration as well.
Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

Not in my mind. For me, it's about the fact that they may make poorer decisions because they aren't taking into account the long term ramifications (i.e. speeding, reckless driving, racing).

And one could argue that there is a public danger because poor financial health could lead to an increased need for welfare, higher bankruptcy rates and and overall strain on the economy due to a large population that is and has been unable to properly manage their money.

shoegal715 · July 2010

I hate Christmas time. I hate being asked by everyone in October where we are going for Christmas. If we go to his family's house, my mom is upset. If we stay with my parents, his family is upset. I also hate the malls and crazy Christmas shopping people. I hate the Christmas is so commercialized.

shoegal715 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : Not in my mind. For me, it's about the fact that they may make poorer decisions because they aren't taking into account the long term ramifications (i.e. speeding, reckless driving, racing). And one could argue that there is a public danger because poor financial health could lead to an increased need for welfare, higher bankruptcy rates and and overall strain on the economy due to a large population that is and has been unable to properly manage their money.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

<div>Whatever.. you are just bitter because screaming babies ruined your wedding. : ) </div>

BecW2be · July 2010

A 21yr old without driving experience is the same as a 16yr old without it. Inexperience is just that. You have to gain it some time, and 2-3 years into college is far too late. I know there are irresponsible drivers that are young, but they are far outweighed with kids who need to get to school and to jobs just like adults do. I'd support licenses for only those with jobs, but a blanket restriction is wrong.

I also think an adult is fully responsible for her decisions, and if that includes CC debt, so be it. You have to prepare your kids to handle adult life, and restricting driving and spending doesn't do them any favors. I think the majority of people are not mature enough until mid to late 20s to handle a lot of things, but they LEARN by experience to be grown up and handle responsibility. Delay it all you want; all you'll have is a population of beebees who can't do anything on their own at age 35 rather than 21.

J&K10910 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT : I think that's a huge stretch.
Posted by shoegal715[/QUOTE]

Really? Because I believe irresponsible spending is one of the reasons for our current economic situation.

SarahPLiz · July 2010

On that note, I think Personal Financial Management, like hard core in depth budget making stuff, should be a required course for a high school diploma.

I got my license at 15, so I'm not even going to talk about that one. I was a great driver.

shoegal715 · July 2010

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[QUOTE]A 21yr old without driving experience is the same as a 16yr old without it. Inexperience is just that. You have to gain it some time, and 2-3 years into college is far too late. I know there are irresponsible drivers that are young, but they are far outweighed with kids who need to get to school and to jobs just like adults do. I'd support licenses for only those with jobs, but a blanket restriction is wrong. I also think an adult is fully responsible for her decisions, and if that includes CC debt, so be it. You have to prepare your kids to handle adult life, and restricting driving and spending doesn't do them any favors. I think the majority of people are not mature enough until mid to late 20s to handle a lot of things, but they LEARN by experience to be grown up and handle responsibility. Delay it all you want; all you'll have is a population of beebees who can't do anything on their own at age 35 rather than 21.
Posted by BecW2be[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>You're smart. That was very well written.

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npasquale16 · July 2010

I hate that I have to do food shopping and will miss the rest of this thread and the illegal alien drama. I am against food shopping.

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