Minor Update Vent - Uninvited to the Wedding

arrippa · February 2014

I hope you guys will still go to the beach house you rented. Just make it a group event and have fun.

I agree the B&G overreacted in the situtation. It feels like there should be more to the story to be disinvited to the wedding.

jenniferurs · February 2014

antoto said:

jenniferurs said:

DragonBlood13 said:

jenniferurs said:

DragonBlood13 said:
The fact that not only did all of these people got uninvited, but that the G is now asking you all not to even be there and offering to refund the money, makes me highly suspect of these plans that were being made.

No offense OP, but I'm going to assume that there were some strippers or something else involved to have offended the G this bad.

It's all not adding up and it's really weird.

Exactly. Very frequently, fiancées/wives/girlfriends are not kept in the loop during the planning of a bachelor party and I have a feeling that these discussions far preceded the couple's official announcement of their final decision and likely involved something that the couple was uncomfortable with. This type of reaction just doesn't occur over a simple question about whether the groom would want to go out for dinner one night.

But I still think it's an overreaction even if strippers were involved. A complete overreation.

I mean, I could understand this reaction if they were going to higher a hooker for the G to sleep with that night or something...that would be disrespectful.

It's just weird.
Definitely an overreaction either way.

At my FI's Bach party one of his friends kept harassing him about going to a strip club. My FI laughed at him, repeatedly told him no and didn't let it get to him. I can't image uninviting someone for just suggesting strippers. Come. On.

I know. Like I said, a groomsman was trying to plan for private strippers at the hotel room for FI's bachelor party and FI just told him it wasn't happening. Never did I consider uninviting the groomsman.

mellyD2014 · February 2014

ClimbingBrideNY G called FI, but FI wasn't able to take the call yesterday. Because G obviously couldn't wait a day to tell him in person, he sent it via text. Real classy, huh?

sarahufl · February 2014

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

Amyzen83 · February 2014

Geez! This situation is nucking futs! This couple has serious trust issues! I mean if this princess bride can't pawn one night alone without her joined at the hip fi why not plan a girls night out? Under this couples logic then married people should never have friends EVER! If your reservations are non refundable the. I'd go on the adventure anyway and do stuff you would have done there if there was no wedding! I'm sooo sorry about the loss of your friends but honestly you are both better off without them!

JellyBean52513 · February 2014

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.

sofakingmad · February 2014

My stbxH went to a bachelor party in Europe and I found out a couple years later that the G and his one friend (stbxH claims he didn't, but who the fuck knows) had sex with hookers. That is crossing the line.

Strippers, meh. I know some women have issues with them and I won't downplay their dislike, but I can't imagine basically losing 8 friends over a suggestion of going to a strip club/hiring strippers.

jenniferurs · February 2014

JellyBean52513 said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.

Probably. I've heard about some absurd stuff going down at bachelor parties and if I were a groom who were steadfastly against it and yet my friends continued to push the issue and continued to do so even after the decision for a joint bachelor/bachelorette was made, I'd consider uninviting. At some point, people need to respect the groom's/couple's decisions.

sarahufl · February 2014

DragonBlood13 said:

My stbxH went to a bachelor party in Europe and I found out a couple years later that the G and his one friend (stbxH claims he didn't, but who the fuck knows) had sex with hookers. That is crossing the line.

Strippers, meh. I know some women have issues with them and I won't downplay their dislike, but I can't imagine basically losing 8 friends over a suggestion of going to a strip club/hiring strippers.

Sex with hookers is a TOTALLY different thing. That, IMO, is completely unforgivable.

sarahufl · February 2014

jenniferurs said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.
Probably. I've heard about some absurd stuff going down at bachelor parties and if I were a groom who were steadfastly against it and yet my friends continued to push the issue and continued to do so even after the decision for a joint bachelor/bachelorette was made, I'd consider uninviting. At some point, people need to respect the groom's/couple's decisions.

This. I feel like there is a large chunk of the story missing.

But good friends wouldn't uninvite a bunch of people because they dont want a bachelor party. By the time you are old enough and mature enough for marriage, your friends should be old and mature enough to respect your wishes. No means no- just don't have a big b-party.

lightningsnow · February 2014

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

If it makes them happy and puts food on the table and a roof over their heads, why does that make them gross? Because they take their clothes off for a living?

My BF took me to a female strip club for my birthday two years ago. I had a blast and the women were great and friendly. Perhaps you have a messed up view of strippers because of the way Hollywood portrays them.

sofakingmad · February 2014

sarahufl said:

DragonBlood13 said:

My stbxH went to a bachelor party in Europe and I found out a couple years later that the G and his one friend (stbxH claims he didn't, but who the fuck knows) had sex with hookers. That is crossing the line.

Strippers, meh. I know some women have issues with them and I won't downplay their dislike, but I can't imagine basically losing 8 friends over a suggestion of going to a strip club/hiring strippers.

Sex with hookers is a TOTALLY different thing. That, IMO, is completely unforgivable.

I actually find it somewhat humorous at this point because that Bride is the worst person I have ever met. She is on a high horse about her life and thinks everything about her life/marriage/family is so perfect. I just think...your H fucked a prostitute in Prague right before he married you. EL OH EL. Im laffin.

jenniferurs · February 2014

sarahufl said:

jenniferurs said:

JellyBean52513 said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.
Probably. I've heard about some absurd stuff going down at bachelor parties and if I were a groom who were steadfastly against it and yet my friends continued to push the issue and continued to do so even after the decision for a joint bachelor/bachelorette was made, I'd consider uninviting. At some point, people need to respect the groom's/couple's decisions.

This. I feel like there is a large chunk of the story missing.

But good friends wouldn't uninvite a bunch of people because they dont want a bachelor party. By the time you are old enough and mature enough for marriage, your friends should be old and mature enough to respect your wishes. No means no- just don't have a big b-party.

Should be old enough and mature enough to be respectful, but unfortunately, in the case of childhood friends, that's not always the case.

At the end of the day, we just don't have enough of the full story to judge. I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

I have more guy friends than girl friends and some of the stories I've heard would blow your mind. But again, the wives/fiancées/girlfriends were none the wiser. So until we know exactly what was trying to be planned and how many conversations were had where the groom said no and the friends still persisted, it's simply impossible to know just how big of an overreaction this was or, in an extreme case, it it were even an overreaction at all.

jdluvr06 · February 2014

sarahufl said:

jenniferurs said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.
Probably. I've heard about some absurd stuff going down at bachelor parties and if I were a groom who were steadfastly against it and yet my friends continued to push the issue and continued to do so even after the decision for a joint bachelor/bachelorette was made, I'd consider uninviting. At some point, people need to respect the groom's/couple's decisions.

This. I feel like there is a large chunk of the story missing.

But good friends wouldn't uninvite a bunch of people because they dont want a bachelor party. By the time you are old enough and mature enough for marriage, your friends should be old and mature enough to respect your wishes. No means no- just don't have a big b-party.

I thought there was more to the story too but in one of here earlier post (I did look to make sure I was remembering correctly) the OP said that the G used to be best friends with this girl but when he started seeing B he slowly cut her out of his life. So I was kind of wondering if maybe B and G have been wanting to weed the group out of their lives and are using this as an excuse to do it.

sarahufl · February 2014

lightningsnow said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

If it makes them happy and puts food on the table and a roof over their heads, why does that make them gross? Because they take their clothes off for a living?

My BF took me to a female strip club for my birthday two years ago. I had a blast and the women were great and friendly. Perhaps you have a messed up view of strippers because of the way Hollywood portrays them.

I think they are gross. I never said it wasn't an honest way to make money. I don't think strippers are bad people and I certainly don't hold it against them if that is a way to make an honest living. Does not change the fact that I don't like them.

I don't have a "messed up" view of strippers and have been to strip clubs myself. I just don't like them.

FiancB · February 2014

jenniferurs said:

jenniferu it's simply impossible to know just how big of an overreaction this was or, in an extreme case, it it were even an overreaction at all.

Even then, it truly sounds like whatever was semi planned was merely proposed. Short of holding a gun to the groom's head and demanding he fuck a hooker, I really don't understand what's so disrespectful about a bach party. You just say no thanks, and if they insist, you don't show up. Not worth a huge drama fest.

If anything, I would expect a speshul snowflake couple to uninvite people for NOT throwing him a bach party. This is so weird. Stag bachelor parties are an expected part of weddings, and if you don't want one you say no thanks. WTF is the big deal.

Knope2014 · February 2014

lightningsnow said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

If it makes them happy and puts food on the table and a roof over their heads, why does that make them gross? Because they take their clothes off for a living?

My BF took me to a female strip club for my birthday two years ago. I had a blast and the women were great and friendly. Perhaps you have a messed up view of strippers because of the way Hollywood portrays them.

My Fi and I have gone to strip clubs together and I've always loved it. I understand that it's not everyone's taste, but the women have always been kind and tbh those nights are some of my most fun memories.

JellyBean52513 · February 2014

lightningsnow said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

If it makes them happy and puts food on the table and a roof over their heads, why does that make them gross? Because they take their clothes off for a living?

My BF took me to a female strip club for my birthday two years ago. I had a blast and the women were great and friendly. Perhaps you have a messed up view of strippers because of the way Hollywood portrays them.

To the bold: In my personal opinion, yes, I think it's gross that they only way a person can find to make oodles of money is to get naked. That says to me they have nothing else to offer society. If they CHOOSE to strip because of the potential for income, then I find it equally gross that a person has such a diminished sense of dignity that they'll accept money for their body. Just my personal opinion.

To the underlined: I read one of those anonymous confession stories in Cosmo that female strippers are TOLD to be super nice to girlfriends/wives because they know they risk losing out on a lot of money by pissing off the woman. In fact, by schmoozing with the woman in the group, she loosens up and has an extra-fun time and the stripper makes extra money. It's part of their job.

I think it's great that you had a good experience at a strip club but that doesn't invalidate anyone else's opinion of them, just like my opinion doesn't invalidate yours. To each their own.

Amyzen83 · February 2014

jenniferurs said:

sarahufl said:

jenniferurs said:

JellyBean52513 said:

sarahufl said:

Strippers are gross and I do not like them. However, if FIs friends really wanted to take him to a strip club, what do I care? He is marrying me.

I would tell him to have fun.

This. I think the entire institution of making money off your naked body is disgusting. His friends go to strip clubs regularly (he doesn't), so I'm pretty confident he'd end up at one for his B-party. My SO and I have been talking marriage a lot lately, and of course the B-party convo has come up. I told him that I have always had 3 rules: be fair (i.e., don't do anything you'd leave me for doing), no pictures/videos (I don't want to know what happened!), and come home to me at the end of the night. He thinks all of those are perfectly acceptable, and I just can't find the energy to give a damn about some strippers.

The OP's situation just has to be more than strippers. It just has to be.
Probably. I've heard about some absurd stuff going down at bachelor parties and if I were a groom who were steadfastly against it and yet my friends continued to push the issue and continued to do so even after the decision for a joint bachelor/bachelorette was made, I'd consider uninviting. At some point, people need to respect the groom's/couple's decisions.

This. I feel like there is a large chunk of the story missing.

But good friends wouldn't uninvite a bunch of people because they dont want a bachelor party. By the time you are old enough and mature enough for marriage, your friends should be old and mature enough to respect your wishes. No means no- just don't have a big b-party.

Should be old enough and mature enough to be respectful, but unfortunately, in the case of childhood friends, that's not always the case.

At the end of the day, we just don't have enough of the full story to judge. I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

I have more guy friends than girl friends and some of the stories I've heard would blow your mind. But again, the wives/fiancées/girlfriends were none the wiser. So until we know exactly what was trying to be planned and how many conversations were had where the groom said no and the friends still persisted, it's simply impossible to know just how big of an overreaction this was or, in an extreme case, it it were even an overreaction at all.

Ok stories like those make my stomach churn but again you should know what kind of company your partner keeps before deciding to marry them. And if they are that type then you should trust him to put his foot down and tell his friends that he or she doesn't want that!

APDSS22 · February 2014

Maybe the soon to be couple has watched the Hangover movies a few too many times and think they're documentaries?

PrettyGirlLost · February 2014

shrekspeare said:

In response to the apparent stripper shaming on this thread, I say shame on you all.

I'm sorry but i can find the following behavior totally abhorrent and gross, and I don't consider it "shaming":

jenniferurs said:
I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

Shame on all of those guys for degrading those women like that! Their behavior is disgusting. And I think the strippers' behavior is gross as well and bordering on prostitution. I'm not going to get into a debate on prostitute shaming here; as I said earlier in this thread, people have to do what they have to do to survive sometimes, but that doesn't mean I think their life choices or actions are necessarily ok.

I already told FI that he is not to partake in any sort of "dollar tricks" if there are strippers present at his b-party, but now I have to show him this post and tell him all of that shit is right out as well. WTF is wrong with guys? ><

jenniferurs · February 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

shrekspeare said:

In response to the apparent stripper shaming on this thread, I say shame on you all.

I'm sorry but i can find the following behavior totally abhorrent and gross, and I don't consider it "shaming":

jenniferurs said:
I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

Shame on all of those guys for degrading those women like that! Their behavior is disgusting. And I think the strippers' behavior is gross as well and bordering on prostitution. I'm not going to get into a debate on prostitute shaming here; as I said earlier in this thread, people have to do what they have to do to survive sometimes, but that doesn't mean I think their life choices or actions are necessarily ok.

I already told FI that he is not to partake in any sort of "dollar tricks" if there are strippers present at his b-party, but now I have to show him this post and tell him all of that shit is right out as well. WTF is wrong with guys? ><

I have NO idea. When FI told his groomsman that he wasn't to hire any strippers for the hotel room, the groomsman agreed, but had been so used to it occurring at other bachelor parties that he thought it was just a foregone conclusion. I don't get it.

missnc77 · February 2014

Maybe some strippers just really like their job? What is with all this lady hating? The OP never said the guy getting married's fiancé is a bitch who is out to get everyone. It's just the magical assumption that it must be her that's made her FI go crazy and disinvite everyone. Now, there is slut shaming like every stripper is her own star is some troubled Lifetime movie. There are male strippers too, you know? Channing Tatum used to be a stripper, and I'm so glad he had that experience on his resume because Magic Mike was some serious eye candy. In fact, I asked the ladies planning my bachelorette party if we can have that on in the background while getting ready to go out. We're so gross.

PrettyGirlLost · February 2014

BTW I reread my PP and it sounded like I was snippy with Shrek, which wasn't my intention. I agree slut, stripper, prostitute, etc shaming is bad.

HaileyDancingbear · February 2014

My main issue with strippers isn't the girls themselves- While I would personally never do it, whatever floats their boat. I don't see much wrong with nudity- hell, in art school I spent six hours at a time drawing portraits of nude models, I even sculpted one. I have no problem whatsoever with human anatomy and in the context of creating art, I can stare at a pair of boobs all damn day.

My issue is that the industry is based on objectifying women. Maybe some of the women on stage respect themselves and view it as being independent/confident, but that's not the way the customers see it; they don't care if the stripper feels empowered or free or whatever, they just see those girls as nothing more than a piece of ass. Nobody shows up to a strip club thinking "I hope I see some great personalities and strong, independent women." That's where my problem is. Women are a hell of a lot more than a piece of ass. Feeling confident in your own skin is a step in the right direction, but being put on display as nothing more than a pair of boobs and an ass sure as hell isn't, and I don't want to contribute money to a business based on objectification.

Which is why FI would not go to a strip club, and neither would I. We simply don't like the environment, and on a more shallow note, I wouldn't want FI staring at naked chicks and FI wouldn't want me staring at naked guys. Not because we don't trust each other, but why would we when we can see objectification-free nudity at home whenever we want? I also find it weird that bachelor/bachelorette parties are like "Last night out being single, woo!" Um, I haven't been single for ages and calling it a bachelorette party doesn't make me magically single. I just don't see what makes going to a strip club magically acceptable one night when it otherwise isn't.

That said, if my MOH planned for strippers, rather than un-invite anyone involved, I'd just leave the party and let them have fun with the strippers. No reason to throw a fit over it.

JellyBean52513 · February 2014

PrettyGirlLost said:

shrekspeare said:

In response to the apparent stripper shaming on this thread, I say shame on you all.

I'm sorry but i can find the following behavior totally abhorrent and gross, and I don't consider it "shaming":

jenniferurs said:
I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

Shame on all of those guys for degrading those women like that! Their behavior is disgusting. And I think the strippers' behavior is gross as well and bordering on prostitution. I'm not going to get into a debate on prostitute shaming here; as I said earlier in this thread, people have to do what they have to do to survive sometimes, but that doesn't mean I think their life choices or actions are necessarily ok.

I already told FI that he is not to partake in any sort of "dollar tricks" if there are strippers present at his b-party, but now I have to show him this post and tell him all of that shit is right out as well. WTF is wrong with guys? ><

Uh.... but no shame on the women for sticking a banana in her vag and letting a man who's about to be married eat it out of her in exchange for some cash? How is it degrading her if she's willing to do it, especially for money? If anything, shame on HIM for being so gross with another woman that's not his fiancee.

Sorry, but I'm not going to accused of "shaming" anyone who willingly does shit like this FOR A LIVING. I don't have to bite my tongue and hold back my opinion of disgusting behavior like this because someone wants to put a cape on and cry "power to the pole dancers!" There's a reason why strippers aren't universally adored for their profession: they're willing to engage in the most intimate of acts with people in exchange for money. And I don't discriminate between male and female strippers.

Nobody has to be a prostitute or a stripper to survive. Absolutely nobody. Not buying that poor-little-strippers scam for a second.

jdluvr06 · February 2014

I've always wanted to learn how to pole dance. Pole dancer have the most amazing abs.

PrettyGirlLost · February 2014

jdluvr06 said:
I've always wanted to learn how to pole dance. Pole dancer have the most amazing abs.

The fitness with a twist classes do look like fun.

PrettyGirlLost · February 2014

JellyBean52513 said:

PrettyGirlLost said:

shrekspeare said:

In response to the apparent stripper shaming on this thread, I say shame on you all.

I'm sorry but i can find the following behavior totally abhorrent and gross, and I don't consider it "shaming":

jenniferurs said:
I've had friends who have been to bachelor parties where hookers were hired and slept with and I've had friends who have gone to bachelor parties where strippers were hired for the hotel and the groom was then enticed to use a jackhammer attached to a dildo on the stripper or, in another case, pull a banana out of her vajayjay with his mouth.

Shame on all of those guys for degrading those women like that! Their behavior is disgusting. And I think the strippers' behavior is gross as well and bordering on prostitution. I'm not going to get into a debate on prostitute shaming here; as I said earlier in this thread, people have to do what they have to do to survive sometimes, but that doesn't mean I think their life choices or actions are necessarily ok.

I already told FI that he is not to partake in any sort of "dollar tricks" if there are strippers present at his b-party, but now I have to show him this post and tell him all of that shit is right out as well. WTF is wrong with guys? ><

Uh.... but no shame on the women for sticking a banana in her vag and letting a man who's about to be married eat it out of her in exchange for some cash? How is it degrading her if she's willing to do it, especially for money? If anything, shame on HIM for being so gross with another woman that's not his fiancee.

Sorry, but I'm not going to accused of "shaming" anyone who willingly does shit like this FOR A LIVING. I don't have to bite my tongue and hold back my opinion of disgusting behavior like this because someone wants to put a cape on and cry "power to the pole dancers!" There's a reason why strippers aren't universally adored for their profession: they're willing to engage in the most intimate of acts with people in exchange for money. And I don't discriminate between male and female strippers.

Nobody has to be a prostitute or a stripper to survive. Absolutely nobody. Not buying that poor-little-strippers scam for a second.

I wasn't accussing you of anything.

lc07 · February 2014

Just curious: those of you who are opposed to strippers, are you also opposed to porn?

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