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  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    holyguacamole79 said: esstee33 said: If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 
    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 

    Enjoying a song does not equate someone questioning "legitimate rape".  I think you're making quite a jump here.
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     That's not the correlation I made, and I'm not even sure how you interpreted that from what I actually said. What I was saying is that we live in a society in which we have to debate what does and does not constitute rape exactly because of attitudes like this, in which some kinds of rape are seen as "less bad" than forcible rape, especially date rape, and especially in situations like those described in this song, in which the girl clearly says no, and then he begs her to change her mind. Her answer was no, and it should be left at that. Nobody should ever be coercing any other person into doing something they don't want to do. 

    And yeah, I'd rather take my chances fucking freezing to death getting home than staying the night with a guy who is trying to guilt me into sex. There's a chance I might not make it home, but if I stay, there's an almost certain chance I'm going to get raped, and that's not a trade I'm willing to consider. 
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  • ashley8918ashley8918 member
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    esstee33 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 

    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 


    I guess I don't see anything wrong with it because it is a fucking song.  I don't over analyze songs in general, because they are songs.  They are just supposed to be fun things you can sing along to. If we analyzed every song out there we would be left with nothing to listen to because I am sure that any song out there could possibly offend or suggest things that people are not comfortable with.
    Yeah, there's a huge, massive difference between nitpicking every single song for things that could possibly be offensive to someone on earth, and taking issue with a song that overtly, very fucking clearly talks about a date rape situation. 

    Enjoy the song all you want. Nobody's stopping you. But we have a problem talking about rape, reporting rape, identifying what is and is not rape, etc., because of attitudes like this. "Oh, it's just harmless." So, what, the girl in the song should just capitulate with his desires because it's cold outside? Because he's being so charming? Because he made her a drink? Because he asked nicely? 

    No means no. Always. Even in fucking Christmas songs. 
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    This exactly. The attitude of "LOL It's just fun, It's harmless!" grosses me out even more than the actual song. It's attitudes like these that make people hesitant to report a rape or date rape situation. If someone's just going to patronize you and tell you that it was nothing or that it was harmless, why even say anything?
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    esstee33, that was the impression I got from your post.  Thanks for clarifying that it wasn't your intent.




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    Totally agree with Maggie (ETA and Zilla). She's saying she "ought" to say no, not actually saying no. If you want to read something into it, why not outrage against slut-shaming? 
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    I love Christmas!!!!!!!

     

    Christmas songs will start at my house the day after Thanksgiving and will not stop until Christmas...then again, I do tend to sneak them in throughout the rest of the year.

     

    I love Michael Buble's Christmas album. It is one of my favorites.

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  • esstee33esstee33 member
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    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 

    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 


    I guess I don't see anything wrong with it because it is a fucking song.  I don't over analyze songs in general, because they are songs.  They are just supposed to be fun things you can sing along to. If we analyzed every song out there we would be left with nothing to listen to because I am sure that any song out there could possibly offend or suggest things that people are not comfortable with.
    Yeah, there's a huge, massive difference between nitpicking every single song for things that could possibly be offensive to someone on earth, and taking issue with a song that overtly, very fucking clearly talks about a date rape situation. 

    Enjoy the song all you want. Nobody's stopping you. But we have a problem talking about rape, reporting rape, identifying what is and is not rape, etc., because of attitudes like this. "Oh, it's just harmless." So, what, the girl in the song should just capitulate with his desires because it's cold outside? Because he's being so charming? Because he made her a drink? Because he asked nicely? 

    No means no. Always. Even in fucking Christmas songs. 
    Seriously?

    I am going to piggy back off what TKzilla posted.  Here are the lyrics...

    I really can't stay - Baby it's cold outside
    I've got to go away - Baby it's cold outside
    This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in
    So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice

    My mother will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry?
    Father will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar
    So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry
    Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour

    The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there
    Say, what's in this drink? - No cabs to be had out there
    I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now
    To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell

    I ought to say no, no, no - Mind if I move in closer?
    At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride?
    I really can't stay - Baby don't hold out
    Ah, but it's cold outside

    I've got to get home - Oh, baby, you'll freeze out there
    Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there
    You've really been grand - Thrill when you touch my hair
    Why don't you see - How can you do this thing to me?

    There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Think of my life long sorrow
    At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died
    I really can't stay - Get over that hold out
    Ah, but it's cold outside
    Oh, baby, it's cold outside
    Oh, baby, it's cold outside

    If you read them you will see that she actually wants to stay but is afraid of the talk in the community about her being a slut for staying over at a man's house.  The man is basically telling her "who the hell cares what people say!"  So I guess her wanting to stay and him telling her that her wanting to stay is really okay means that he is so going to rape her.

    I just think what you posted is taking this song to a place that it in know way was ever supposed to be taken.  You and others on here are taking an innocent song about a young couple who want to be together but the girl is afraid of looking easy to her neighbors and are turning it into something that is completely ridiculous.

    I just get so fucking tired of everyone over analyzing everything and being offended by everything.  If you are offended by things so damn easily or read into things and twist them into something that was by far not what was meant or implied I really don't know how you survive on a daily basis (and that was a general you, not a specific you).


    She said no. Period. It doesn't matter why she said no. My interpretation of this song isn't even a reach -- it's VERY commonly interpreted in this song. Furthermore, if a girl, FOR ANY REASON, says no, the appropriate course of action is not to make her another drink to try to convince her to change her mind. 

    I survive on a daily basis because I realize that the world is not always a safe and harmless place, and I'm cautious and aware of my surroundings. I'm actually offended by very little.

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    And apparently Frosty the Snowman is a child rapist, too?  I mean, it took them yelling "stop" for him to actually stop.  He wanted to have fun with those kids before he lost his boner.

    Frosty the Snowman, knew the sun was hot that day,
    so he said, "Let's run, and we'll have some fun now, before I melt away."

    Down to the village, with a broomstick in his hand,
    Running here and there, all around the square,
    sayin', "Catch me if you can."

    He led them down the streets of town, right to the traffic cop;

    and only paused a moment, when he heard him holler, "Stop!"

    For Frosty, the Snowman, had to hurry on his way,
    But he waved goodbye, sayin' "Don't cry, I'll be back again some day."
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    mileybangerz said:
    And apparently Frosty the Snowman is a child rapist, too?  I mean, it took them yelling "stop" for him to actually stop.  He wanted to have fun with those kids before he lost his boner.

    Frosty the Snowman, knew the sun was hot that day,
    so he said, "Let's run, and we'll have some fun now, before I melt away."

    Down to the village, with a broomstick in his hand,
    Running here and there, all around the square,
    sayin', "Catch me if you can."

    He led them down the streets of town, right to the traffic cop;

    and only paused a moment, when he heard him holler, "Stop!"

    For Frosty, the Snowman, had to hurry on his way,
    But he waved goodbye, sayin' "Don't cry, I'll be back again some day."
    Uh, no. There is no comparison here. They are not talking about sex or coercion with drinks in "Frosty the Snowman".
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    esstee33 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 

    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 


    I guess I don't see anything wrong with it because it is a fucking song.  I don't over analyze songs in general, because they are songs.  They are just supposed to be fun things you can sing along to. If we analyzed every song out there we would be left with nothing to listen to because I am sure that any song out there could possibly offend or suggest things that people are not comfortable with.
    Yeah, there's a huge, massive difference between nitpicking every single song for things that could possibly be offensive to someone on earth, and taking issue with a song that overtly, very fucking clearly talks about a date rape situation. 

    Enjoy the song all you want. Nobody's stopping you. But we have a problem talking about rape, reporting rape, identifying what is and is not rape, etc., because of attitudes like this. "Oh, it's just harmless." So, what, the girl in the song should just capitulate with his desires because it's cold outside? Because he's being so charming? Because he made her a drink? Because he asked nicely? 

    No means no. Always. Even in fucking Christmas songs. 
    Seriously?

    I am going to piggy back off what TKzilla posted.  Here are the lyrics...

    I really can't stay - Baby it's cold outside
    I've got to go away - Baby it's cold outside
    This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in
    So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice

    My mother will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry?
    Father will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar
    So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry
    Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour

    The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there
    Say, what's in this drink? - No cabs to be had out there
    I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now
    To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell

    I ought to say no, no, no - Mind if I move in closer?
    At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride?
    I really can't stay - Baby don't hold out
    Ah, but it's cold outside

    I've got to get home - Oh, baby, you'll freeze out there
    Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there
    You've really been grand - Thrill when you touch my hair
    Why don't you see - How can you do this thing to me?

    There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Think of my life long sorrow
    At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died
    I really can't stay - Get over that hold out
    Ah, but it's cold outside
    Oh, baby, it's cold outside
    Oh, baby, it's cold outside

    If you read them you will see that she actually wants to stay but is afraid of the talk in the community about her being a slut for staying over at a man's house.  The man is basically telling her "who the hell cares what people say!"  So I guess her wanting to stay and him telling her that her wanting to stay is really okay means that he is so going to rape her.

    I just think what you posted is taking this song to a place that it in know way was ever supposed to be taken.  You and others on here are taking an innocent song about a young couple who want to be together but the girl is afraid of looking easy to her neighbors and are turning it into something that is completely ridiculous.

    I just get so fucking tired of everyone over analyzing everything and being offended by everything.  If you are offended by things so damn easily or read into things and twist them into something that was by far not what was meant or implied I really don't know how you survive on a daily basis (and that was a general you, not a specific you).


    She said no. Period. It doesn't matter why she said no. My interpretation of this song isn't even a reach -- it's VERY commonly interpreted in this song. Furthermore, if a girl, FOR ANY REASON, says no, the appropriate course of action is not to make her another drink to try to convince her to change her mind. 

    I survive on a daily basis because I realize that the world is not always a safe and harmless place, and I'm cautious and aware of my surroundings. I'm actually offended by very little.

    No, your interpretation is a far reach in my opinion.  And like TKzilla and lolo said, why aren't we more concerned about the amount of slut shaming going on in the song?

    I just seriously can't believe that people are this concerned about a fucking song that was written in 1944.  Only in our current overly analytical world could we take a fun and playful song and make it into something so gross and disgusting.

    So I will enjoy this song each and every Christmas and have a good chuckle about how there are some crazy people out there who think it is about rape.

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    TKzilla said:
    She said no. Period. It doesn't matter why she said no. My interpretation of this song isn't even a reach -- it's VERY commonly interpreted in this song. Furthermore, if a girl, FOR ANY REASON, says no, the appropriate course of action is not to make her another drink to try to convince her to change her mind. 

    I survive on a daily basis because I realize that the world is not always a safe and harmless place, and I'm cautious and aware of my surroundings. I'm actually offended by very little.

    I'm offended that you automatically declare that any man who is reluctant to let his girlfriend go out into a blizzard is a rapist. She doesn't want to go, he doesn't want her to go, it's dangerous for her to go… and honestly, when this song is performed, when the girl sings "The answer is no", it is sung playfully and almost with a giggle, like she's teasing him.

    By the way, I mean "teasing" in a playful way, not in a sexual way. Believe it or not, some adults can be together without smashing their genitals around.


    Yeah, that's not what I said, but by all means get as offended as you want. IDGAF. 

    There is absolutely no fucking reason that "no means no" should even be a discussion. 
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    esstee33 said:
    holyguacamole79 said:
    esstee33 said:
    If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 

    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 


    Enjoying a song does not equate someone questioning "legitimate rape".  I think you're making quite a jump here.

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    That's not the correlation I made, and I'm not even sure how you interpreted that from what I actually said. What I was saying is that we live in a society in which we have to debate what does and does not constitute rape exactly because of attitudes like this, in which some kinds of rape are seen as "less bad" than forcible rape, especially date rape, and especially in situations like those described in this song, in which the girl clearly says no, and then he begs her to change her mind. Her answer was no, and it should be left at that. Nobody should ever be coercing any other person into doing something they don't want to do.   Attitudes like what?  There you are implying that those of us saying we disagree with your analysis of the lyrics are part of the rape culture problem. . . right after you told holyguacamole that's not the correlation you made.  None of us who disagree with your interpretation of the song even commented on the issue of rape in our society, so I'd appreciate it if you not assume what our stance is on the topic.

    All that was said was that we don't agree with your interpretation of the song.  Period.

    It was written in 1944 and all it says to me is that there are two lovers who'd like to spend a cold winters night together, but the woman is a bit hesitant because of the fear of getting judged for the perception of having premarital sex.

    And I'd also like to point out that many people are assuming these two want to have sex, which might not actually be the case.  You can share a bed and fool around with a person without actually fucking them. . . but god forbid anyone catches you doing the "walk of shame" in the morning and they will all assume you fucked.

    And yeah, I'd rather take my chances fucking freezing to death getting home than staying the night with a guy who is trying to guilt me into sex. There's a chance I might not make it home, but if I stay, there's an almost certain chance I'm going to get raped, and that's not a trade I'm willing to consider. 


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    ashley8918 said:
    mileybangerz said:
    And apparently Frosty the Snowman is a child rapist, too?  I mean, it took them yelling "stop" for him to actually stop.  He wanted to have fun with those kids before he lost his boner.

    Frosty the Snowman, knew the sun was hot that day,
    so he said, "Let's run, and we'll have some fun now, before I melt away."

    Down to the village, with a broomstick in his hand,
    Running here and there, all around the square,
    sayin', "Catch me if you can."

    He led them down the streets of town, right to the traffic cop;

    and only paused a moment, when he heard him holler, "Stop!"

    For Frosty, the Snowman, had to hurry on his way,
    But he waved goodbye, sayin' "Don't cry, I'll be back again some day."
    Uh, no. There is no comparison here. They are not talking about sex or coercion with drinks in "Frosty the Snowman".
    They aren't talking about sex in this song, either. He's not coercing her with drinks, he's offering to make her another one, she accepts. She's procrastinating leaving because she doesn't want to go. No one is forcing her to stay, society is trying to force her to leave.
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  • amelishaamelisha member
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    (ugh, quoting got all screwed up, sorry)
    Even if she stays and DOESN'T fuck that guy (which nowhere in the song does it say they will, we just interpret it that way because two adults apparently cannot be alone together overnight without having to bump uglies), her entire family and community will label her a slut. Why aren't we worried about THAT part of the song?

    Different times. If you think that one is bad, you should hear some of the opera I used to perform in my late teens and early twenties. I know that doesn't excuse its continued popularity, but music is a funny thing - we tend to overlook the lyrics for the sake of the music, although honestly, I do agree that a lot of songs might be better off in the past where they originated. I'm not saying your thoughts on it aren't reasonable (I think they are, for the record) but music from around that time commonly does have that vibe but for better or worse we've made a decision as a society to enjoy it for his musical merits and set aside the less palatable parts of the era.

    I understand why it irks you, but from my perspective of spending years gigging, both paid and unpaid, and performing classical as well as popular music spanning hundreds of years, there is just too much memory and sentimentality attached to a lot of these kinds of songs as well as, in many cases, great musical merit aside from the lyrics, for songs like this to ever fall out of favour.

    I'm not religious, either, but I routinely sing entire concerts of very traditional Christian Christmas music because of its musical value, even though the lyrics are not really anything I agree with. I mean...how many times does a classical singer have to sing the Messiah? Every year, if you want the money, lol.

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    ashley8918 said:
    esstee33 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    esstee33 said:
    If a woman says "No, I really don't think I should stay," the guy should be like "OK, that's cool." To try to persuade her to stay, ply her with drinks, try to actually guilt her into staying there AND making it completely, blatantly obvious that he wants to fuck her and she's going to make him sad if she doesn't stay so he can do so, that is NOT OK. 

    I'm actually shocked that there are people in this thread that think there's nothing wrong with this song or the message in it. Although I guess in a society where we have to debate what "legitimate rape" is, I shouldn't be that surprised. 


    I guess I don't see anything wrong with it because it is a fucking song.  I don't over analyze songs in general, because they are songs.  They are just supposed to be fun things you can sing along to. If we analyzed every song out there we would be left with nothing to listen to because I am sure that any song out there could possibly offend or suggest things that people are not comfortable with.
    Yeah, there's a huge, massive difference between nitpicking every single song for things that could possibly be offensive to someone on earth, and taking issue with a song that overtly, very fucking clearly talks about a date rape situation. 

    Enjoy the song all you want. Nobody's stopping you. But we have a problem talking about rape, reporting rape, identifying what is and is not rape, etc., because of attitudes like this. "Oh, it's just harmless." So, what, the girl in the song should just capitulate with his desires because it's cold outside? Because he's being so charming? Because he made her a drink? Because he asked nicely? 

    No means no. Always. Even in fucking Christmas songs. 
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    This exactly. The attitude of "LOL It's just fun, It's harmless!" grosses me out even more than the actual song. It's attitudes like these that make people hesitant to report a rape or date rape situation. If someone's just going to patronize you and tell you that it was nothing or that it was harmless, why even say anything?
    Again attitudes like what?  Like I DON'T FUCKING AGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SONG LYRICS?

    Because that's all that has been said.

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    Well. This is escalating.
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    Any other Christmas songs we want to drag through the mud?  I am sure if we all took some time we could turn any Christmas song into something disgusting and offensive.

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    I have never gotten date rape out of that song. She even says "at least there will be plenty implied" suggesting that she actually WANTS to stay and be with him.

     

    Also, I ask my girlfriends all the time "what's in this drink?" I do that because it is yummy and I want to  know how to make it, not because I am being drugged and am gonna get raped.

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    I mean... I've definitely been in that situation before where I really should have gone home that night but ol' dude was just too good a kisser and kept saying, "It's fine baby, just sleep over." And so I did, but didn't feel that I was forced to. I get the same vibe from the song that she knows she probably should leave because people are going to worry/gossip, but she doesn't really want to leave. 

    And WTF BING CROSBY was a child abuser?!?!  (don't remember who originally said this but please explain)
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    ashley8918 said:
    mileybangerz said:
    And apparently Frosty the Snowman is a child rapist, too?  I mean, it took them yelling "stop" for him to actually stop.  He wanted to have fun with those kids before he lost his boner.

    Frosty the Snowman, knew the sun was hot that day,
    so he said, "Let's run, and we'll have some fun now, before I melt away."

    Down to the village, with a broomstick in his hand,
    Running here and there, all around the square,
    sayin', "Catch me if you can."

    He led them down the streets of town, right to the traffic cop;

    and only paused a moment, when he heard him holler, "Stop!"

    For Frosty, the Snowman, had to hurry on his way,
    But he waved goodbye, sayin' "Don't cry, I'll be back again some day."
    Uh, no. There is no comparison here. They are not talking about sex or coercion with drinks in "Frosty the Snowman".
    Can we all just recognize that in the song, she suggests the drink?

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    Maggie0829 said:
    Any other Christmas songs we want to drag through the mud?  I am sure if we all took some time we could turn any Christmas song into something disgusting and offensive.
    No it's really just this one. 

    You guys are acting like the few of us here are the only ones in the world who interpret this song this way. It's an extemely common interpretation because the lyrics are creepy as shit. 
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    TKzilla said:
    She said no. Period. It doesn't matter why she said no. My interpretation of this song isn't even a reach -- it's VERY commonly interpreted in this song. Furthermore, if a girl, FOR ANY REASON, says no, the appropriate course of action is not to make her another drink to try to convince her to change her mind. 

    I survive on a daily basis because I realize that the world is not always a safe and harmless place, and I'm cautious and aware of my surroundings. I'm actually offended by very little.

    I'm offended that you automatically declare that any man who is reluctant to let his girlfriend go out into a blizzard is a rapist. She doesn't want to go, he doesn't want her to go, it's dangerous for her to go… and honestly, when this song is performed, when the girl sings "The answer is no", it is sung playfully and almost with a giggle, like she's teasing him.

    By the way, I mean "teasing" in a playful way, not in a sexual way. Believe it or not, some adults can be together without smashing their genitals around.


    Yeah, that's not what I said, but by all means get as offended as you want. IDGAF. 

    There is absolutely no fucking reason that "no means no" should even be a discussion. 
    Yeah, that kind of IS what you said, but let's see how fast you can backpedal. No one is discussing "no means no", and for all things holy, please don't try to infer that I'm somehow perpetuating the rape culture. 

    Let's summarize:

    You think "Baby It's Cold Outside" is about date rape.
    Bolding a few lyrics out of context supports your argument, in your mind.
    Even though nowhere in the song does it say they will be sleeping together. In the same bed or the same room or having sex at all.
    There aren't even any hints about sex. Just holding hands and possibly kissing.
    There ARE however MULTIPLE lines referencing society's stance on women's sexuality at the time.
    The song was written in 1944, when a woman's "virtue" was one of her most important traits in regard to eligibility for marriage and social standing.
    You claim that because that guy is trying to convince her to stay, she WILL be raped by the time the sun comes up.

    No means no, but she isn't saying no. I don't mean that in the "I know you want it" - she's TELLING him she doesn't want to go.
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  • Maggie0829Maggie0829 member
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    ashley8918 said:
    Maggie0829 said:
    Any other Christmas songs we want to drag through the mud?  I am sure if we all took some time we could turn any Christmas song into something disgusting and offensive.
    No it's really just this one. 

    You guys are acting like the few of us here are the only ones in the world who interpret this song this way. It's an extemely common interpretation because the lyrics are creepy as shit. 
    So apparently since the interpretation is common then it must be true and that all of us who think otherwise are dumb.  Okay, gotcha.

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  • ashley8918ashley8918 member
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    PrettyGirlLost said:
    Again attitudes like what?  Like I DON'T FUCKING AGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SONG LYRICS?

    Because that's all that has been said.
    STOP YELLING AT ME! AHHHHH!

    Okay, but really, I can accept that you interpret the song differently. I just think you are wrong, but that's okay.

    Attitudes like "Trying to get a girl drunk after she said no? That's totally harmless!" But I understand that this is not what you are saying. You are saying "I don't think he was trying to get her drunk to get her in the sack". Okay, cool. I don't agree but I also don't mean to imply that you personally are part of the rape problem.
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