Ferguson

esstee33 · November 2014

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

CMGragain · November 2014

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.

lc07 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.

wrong.

ashley8918 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.

I'm sure that you, personally have been privy to all of that "evidence", since you seem to know it all. No? Huh, weird.

I'm really curious about the bolded, though. Is there any job that you haven't had?

lc07 · November 2014

I mean, seriously, what deluded world do you live in to think that people are all lovey fucking dovey and don't make decisions that are hurtful to others just because YOU wouldn't do that. All police officers are not bad. All of us live with regrets. Some of us are assholes. And do not give a fuck. Some of us are not. Some of us are in the wrong place at the wrong time. And make poor decisions, on both sides. Some of us are dickheads intentionally. Some are not. But to say that by virtue of being a police officer or in some other governmental position makes you righteous makes me fucking fume. *edited for clarity

JCbride2015 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.
---------------damn boxes

I strongly disagree. Many social science studies have shown that police in high stress situations succumb to ingrained stereotyping. Maybe not exactly casually or lightly, but police do shoot people based on racism and other socially ingrained biases even when they don't do it consciously. Amadou Diallo comes to mind.

The law is notoriously terrible at dealing with implicit bias and I think many people don't want to accept that implicit bias exists and is so strong. Hence we get verdicts like this and civil decisions like the Sears and recent Wal-Mart cases.

CMGragain · November 2014

I'm sure that you, personally have been privy to all of that "evidence", since you seem to know it all. No? Huh, weird.

I'm really curious about the bolded, though. Is there any job that you haven't had?

This is what the Prosecuting Attorney, Bob Muculloch said during his long announcement tonight. He said that details will be made available to the public, now that the Grand Jury investigation has concluded.
Why are you drawing conclusions without reading the evidence? There was much that the Grand Jurors saw that was not made available to the public. There was also a lot of media hysteria that would broadcast any person who claimed to be a witness. How sad.

Yes, I have had a lot of jobs. That is how I got through college! This is not the first time that I posted referencing my former office job with the Iowa State Police. It keeps me off jury duty.

kat1114 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.

--------making my own box-------

What does the fact that the jurors live in Ferguson have to do with anything? There are lots of jurors who don't take their job seriously, regardless of they live in the community or not. I think we've all seen juries reach verdicts that defy logic.

Also, maybe the evidence didn't support convicting the officer, but the standard for a grand jury indictment is probable cause- not beyond a reasonable doubt. With such a lenient standard, it is just incredibly hard to believe that there wasn't enough evidence to make it possible that some crime was committed, especially considering the variety of charges the jury considered.

It's also incredibly naive to say that every officer is devastated after something like this. Maybe that's your experience, but I really doubt this statement covers every officer.

As to the violent protest, I don't condone, but I understand. And for the posters talking about how the protesters need to become police to make a change in their communities, please understand how ridiculous that statement makes you sound. Why would the protesters want to be part of a system that unfairly prosecutes and convicts them.

Tell me how a system that punishes crack harsher than cocaine is fair? Or how it's fair that African Americans are more likely to go to death row inmates compared to whites who commit murders?

Yes, violence is not the answer, but to sit here and not understand why these protesters don't trust this system and certainly want no part of it, well, that just makes you look ignorant.

lc07 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

I'm sure that you, personally have been privy to all of that "evidence", since you seem to know it all. No? Huh, weird.

I'm really curious about the bolded, though. Is there any job that you haven't had?

This is what the Prosecuting Attorney, Bob Muculloch said during his long announcement tonight. He said that details will be made available to the public, now that the Grand Jury investigation has concluded.
Why are you drawing conclusions without reading the evidence? There was much that the Grand Jurors saw that was not made available to the public. There was also a lot of media hysteria that would broadcast any person who claimed to be a witness. How sad.

Yes, I have had a lot of jobs. That is how I got through college! This is not the first time that I posted referencing my former office job with the Iowa State Police. It keeps me off jury duty.

I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to.

CMGragain · November 2014

Why not just wait to read about the evidence?

daria24 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

esstee33 said:

@Sugargirl1019 Your privilege is showing, seriously. Don't try to pretend anyone misunderstood what you said, because your meaning was perfectly clear. "You want to be respected, be respectful?" Are you fucking serious? Did you listen to any of the interviews the first time around, with parents of black teenagers who've had to impress upon their children that no matter how respectful they are, that's not always going to be enough? Were you ever taught as a child that you had to be suspicious of law enforcement because, even if you were innocent, the cops might not believe you?

Charles Manson is getting married in prison, y'all. James Eagan Holmes will go to trial next month. But an unarmed black teenager's life is not even worth a trial.

Of course his life was worth a trial, and he would have got one if the evidence has supported the stories that a poor, unarmed innocent man was shot and killed, unneccesartily, by a police officer. The evidence did not support that story, and neither did many of the witnesses, or the three autopsies. Dio you honestly think those jurors gave this verdict lightly? They live in this town!

My heart goes out to the Brown family, and also to the Wilson family. Their lives have all been changed forever by this tragedy. They all need thoughts and prayers

I used to work for the police many years ago. I vividly remember how devastated the officers were after they had to shoot someone, even if that person was heroin drug dealer or kiddie porn maker. It is never something that is done casually or lightly.

And juries are perfect and have never sent an innocent man to the electric chair. They've never acquitted a defendant because they felt his fear was justified because the victim was a black men and many of us have a deeply ingrained fear and distrust of people of a different race. They've never been weighing evidence against laws that give people enormous leeway in reacting to perceived threats.

And besides these points this case is about so much more than whether or not the shooter of Mike Brown will go to trial. It's about widespread excessive force in the police. It's about the militirization of our police force. It's about how the media portrays black victims. And it's about how we as a country deal with racial issues.

JCbride2015 · November 2014

CMGragain said:
Why not just wait to read about the evidence?

I will read about it when it's released, with great interest. But it's natural to have an opinion based on what we know so far. And considering there were several eye witnesses and public autopsy reports released, we know quite a lot. Of course things could change when we see the rest of the evidence. But honestly I think if there was something in there really great for the officer, the police department would have made it public already.

lc07 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

Why not just wait to read about the evidence?

from who's point of view do you want me to read it?

CMGragain · November 2014

"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

kat1114 · November 2014

CMGragain said:
"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that
police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

So you made a blanket statement to cover all officers when your sample size is two? Obviously one of your many jobs didn't involve statistics.

Speaking of statistics, only 3 of the 12 jurors were African American despite the fact Ferguson is 67% black. Tell me again about how the jurors represented the city they live in...

lc07 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

I just fucking can't. No. I do not personally know a police officer who has non-casually shot and killed a person. 1. I do not hang out with people who are intentionally going out to harm people. 2. I DO have friends who have been convicted of felonies. I am sure you have dealt with officers in difficult situations. I am sure you have brought them fucking tissues. I am sure that there are police officers who have been framed and persecuted. I feel sorry for them. I think that no matter what the evidence points to IN THIS CASE, there are serious problems we need to stand up to. And people who think it's fucking hunky-dory as is are ignorant. PERIOD.

manillabar · November 2014

CMGragain said:

"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

I don't doubt that most police officers want to serve and protect. I don't doubt that the two officers you had personal experiences with hated that they had to shoot someone who threatened them with a gun. But your experience does not prove that there are no police officers who may have other motives. Police officers are people, too. So just like there are random assholes walking around with no respect for the lives of others, there are unfortunately some assholes in uniform, carrying guns and weapons, who have no respect for the lives of others. I don't know the specifics in this case. I admitted it once and I'll say it again. But let's not act like there have never been any police officers who have acted irresponsibly at best, and maliciously at worst.

CMGragain · November 2014

lc07 said:

CMGragain said:

"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

I just fucking can't. No. I do not personally know a police officer who has non-casually shot and killed a person. 1. I do not hang out with people who are intentionally going out to harm people. 2. I DO have friends who have been convicted of felonies. I am sure you have dealt with officers in difficult situations. I am sure you have brought them fucking tissues. I am sure that there are police officers who have been framed and persecuted. I feel sorry for them. I think that no matter what the evidence points to IN THIS CASE, there are serious problems we need to stand up to. And people who think it's fucking hunky-dory as is are ignorant. PERIOD.

Nobody is happy about this situation. Nobody wins. Peoples lives are changed forever by what happened.
The State of Iowa building I worked in had more than two cops. Iowa Knotties can probably guess which building it was - near the Capitol.
I have relatives who have spent time in prison, so don't rush to judgement. Don't rush to judgement on this case, either, until you see the evidence.

daria24 · November 2014

CMGragain said:
"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that
police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

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Well bully for you. Because I personally know several racist power-hungry motherfuckers who went to the academy to save their town from "those" people who were ruining it. And they're out there with their badge every day, and I'm just waiting for the day when it's their name in the paper.

I'm so tired of being told to calm down and wait. I've waited through Sean Bell, through Amadu Diallo. Waiting hasn't changed shit. And I almost fear sorry for you that you can't see that.

jdluvr06 · November 2014

JCbride2015 said:

Why not just wait to read about the evidence?
I will read about it when it's released, with great interest. But it's natural to have an opinion based on what we know so far. And considering there were several eye witnesses and public autopsy reports released, we know quite a lot. Of course things could change when we see the rest of the evidence. But honestly I think if there was something in there really great for the officer, the police department would have made it public already.

I could be wrong, I haven't closely followed this case, but I thought there were conflicting autopsy reports?

CMGragain · November 2014

I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally.

kat1114 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

lc07 said:

CMGragain said:

"I don't need to know squat about this particular case. You said that
police officers never shoot casually. That is what I was speaking to."

Do you personally know one who did? I never met one. I watched two officers cry themselves out after they had to shoot a drug dealer who threatened them with a gun. I brought them tissues. They were put on desk duty until they were cleared.
The police officers I know became police officers because they wanted to serve and protect. The black ones felt that way, too. I think you ladies need to calm down and wait for the evidence to be published.

I just fucking can't.

No. I do not personally know a police officer who has non-casually shot and killed a person.

1. I do not hang out with people who are intentionally going out to harm people.

2. I DO have friends who have been convicted of felonies.

I am sure you have dealt with officers in difficult situations. I am sure you have brought them fucking tissues. I am sure that there are police officers who have been framed and persecuted. I feel sorry for them.

I think that no matter what the evidence points to IN THIS CASE, there are serious problems we need to stand up to. And people who think it's fucking hunky-dory as is are ignorant. PERIOD.

Nobody is happy about this situation. Nobody wins. Peoples lives are changed forever by what happened.
The State of Iowa building I worked in had more than two cops. Iowa Knotties can probably guess which building it was - near the Capitol.
I have relatives who have spent time in prison, so don't rush to judgement. Don't rush to judgement on this case, either, until you see the evidence.

So we can't rush to judgment, but it's okay for you to do so? Cool, you worked with more than two cops. It doesn't make your naive blanket statement any better.

CMGragain · November 2014

jdluvr06 said:

JCbride2015 said:

Why not just wait to read about the evidence?
I will read about it when it's released, with great interest. But it's natural to have an opinion based on what we know so far. And considering there were several eye witnesses and public autopsy reports released, we know quite a lot. Of course things could change when we see the rest of the evidence. But honestly I think if there was something in there really great for the officer, the police department would have made it public already.

I could be wrong, I haven't closely followed this case, but I thought there were conflicting autopsy reports?

No. According to the prosecuting attorney, all three autopsy reports showed that the bullets came from the front. There were no shots to Mr. Brown's back. They were not able to determine which shots were fired in what order, but there was a shot to the head that was probably the cause of death.
Mr. Brown's blood was inside the police car, probably from the first shot which wounded his hand..This was the only shot that was at close distance.
Again, this is what the prosecuting attorney said tonight.

PS. There were several witnesses who came forward but stayed out of the media and wanted their identities kept secret until the hearing was over. There were also several witnesses who were prominent in the media who changed their stories, or even admitted that they didn't really see what happened, they just heard about it.

lc07 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally.

Who are you speaking to?

daria24 · November 2014

CMGragain said:
I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally.

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Actually I watched it on Al-Jeezera, which is a far less sensationalized network than CNN. I've read at least two autopsy reports, read the witness statements that were available. I've read histories of St. Louis and Ferguson to understand the atmosphere and demographics and the history of distrust with the police. I've read an enormous amount about this case and this town, so fuck your assumptions. And I'll be reading more as it becomes available. It does not change the fact that this country needs to confront its privilege problem and as this conversation has proven, so do you.

CMGragain · November 2014

daria24 said:

I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally.
------ Actually I watched it on Al-Jeezera, which is a far less sensationalized network than CNN. I've read at least two autopsy reports, read the witness statements that were available. I've read histories of St. Louis and Ferguson to understand the atmosphere and demographics and the history of distrust with the police. I've read an enormous amount about this case and this town, so fuck your assumptions. And I'll be reading more as it becomes available. It does not change the fact that this country needs to confront its privilege problem and as this conversation has proven, so do you.

You don't know me at all! I spent 6 years in Memphis, TN, and worked with my church to promote racial equality and to end segregation. It didn't make me very popular with certain other people in my neighborhood.

QueerFemme · November 2014

I honestly don't understand how any halfway intelligent, thinking person, can say "why don't they join the police force, or try to better their community", or "I just don't understand the violence or looting" or anything even remotely similar.

We live in a society that systematically oppresses and kills people of color. Where grand juries almost NEVER choose not to indict, unless the case involves a police officer. Where black men, in particular, are repeatedly gunned down by police without consequence. Where the education of a student in a black community isn't anywhere close to the education a white kid gets in a white community, only a few miles away. Where black communities often don't even have access to grocery stores in their area. where black folks have to live in fear of police, because in their neighborhoods, cops are not there to serve and protect. They arrest or shoot first, and ask questions later.

This is the society we live in. We do not live in a post-racial country in the U.S. We live in a country where black people are supposed to be feared. And when a black kid steals a pack of cigarellos, he is a thug with shitty parents and got what was coming to him, or at a minimum, people "understand why the cop shot him". But, when a white kid shoots up a school, he was bullied and mixed up or depressed.

I am white, and I understand my privilege. I am married to a person of color, and probably 85% of my friends and family members are people of color. I would never in a million years try to encourage any of them to join law enforcement. why? So they can be further marginalized, and have to arrest and harrass their own people so they can be part of an inherently racist institution?

People are violent in their protests because no one listens otherwise. Did you all know that there was a mentally ill black man killed in Milwaukee a couple of weeks ago? The community has been peacefully protesting repeatedly. It's hardly even making the evening local news.

If your kids were repeatedly being gunned down by the government, how long would you stay peaceful?

QueerFemme · November 2014

Anyone who thinks that black and brown folks should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a great education and become a lawyer, doctor or cop, should really check their privilege and start doing some reading and watching some documentaries and educating yourself on why that is an idiotic statement.

daria24 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

daria24 said:

CMGragain said:
I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally

You don't know me at all! I spent 6 years in Memphis, TN, and worked with my church to promote racial equality and to end segregation. It didn't make me very popular with certain other people in my neighborhood.
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Oh right the "but some of my best friends are black" defense.

kat1114 · November 2014

CMGragain said:

daria24 said:

CMGragain said:
I can see that you are very angry. I hope that by tomorrow you will calm down. Did you actually listen to the prosecuting attorney's entire presentation on CNN, or did you just get angry and blow up, like you are venting on me?
It's OK. I'm not taking it personally.
------
Actually I watched it on Al-Jeezera, which is a far less sensationalized network than CNN. I've read at least two autopsy reports, read the witness statements that were available. I've read histories of St. Louis and Ferguson to understand the atmosphere and demographics and the history of distrust with the police. I've read an enormous amount about this case and this town, so fuck your assumptions. And I'll be reading more as it becomes available. It does not change the fact that this country needs to confront its privilege problem and as this conversation has proven, so do you.

You don't know me at all! I spent 6 years in Memphis, TN, and worked with my church to promote racial equality and to end segregation. It didn't make me very popular with certain other people in my neighborhood.

That just makes it all the more sad and disappointing that you make the most incredulous blanketed statements and really have no understanding for why people are so upset.

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