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Steph0871 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: :( : Man, by that standard I should have dropped Charlie off at the pound a million times over by this point. That boy is not housebroken. Does click training work on fiances?
Posted by sarah0725[/QUOTE]

<div>Probably... but the reward might need to be different. ;)</div>

LessThanZero · April 2011

Technically the dogs tail was wagging, hitting things and had been broken several times because of this. That's why it was recommended it be docked, which makes sense to me.

I don't know that the story is true. But if my dog kept breaking it's tail from wagging vigorously and hitting things, and a vet suggested it be docked, I'd do the same.

stacie+luciano · April 2011

First off. We docked her tail because the tip was braking and was becoming dead. We had the option of letting her tail keep getting worse, which would spread an infection through her body and get her even more sick. Wow, not such a bad pet owner on that one am I? I prolonged her life by electing ot have a PAINLESS SURGERY in which she benefitted from. She is happier and no longer in pain/

As for the shoe thing, its nto the shoes I'm mad about. Its the money. So SORRY for worrying about finances and trying to make sure we dont fall behind and have to pay for extra things like new shoes.

Thirdly, the first time, yes, it was my FI's fault for leaving the door open and he admitted it and we moved on. This time, he shut both the closet and bedroom doors. He found the bedroom door off its hingest and our closet door the same.

While I am upset about her chewing up the shoes, I'm more upset with the money issue.

And as for training, we take her to training every weekend and is the worst dog there. She knows how to sit and thats about it. Oh, and she's finally learned how to not jump on people. So before you go throwing that shiit around, why not ask first? Oh and as for house training. READ. We TRIED crating her, but she ate through the locks and broke her crate. She isn't a dumb dog. ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no. She gets treats for doing good things and is somewhat learning that.

As for exercise, we go on nightly walks. Shes outside a lot when we get home. We run her around the backyard and play fetch with her. She's a very hyper dog so we try to make sure she expends her energy usefully. So don't assume she sits in the house all day doing nothing and only goes outside to pee. You're wrong, and an idiot for assuming.

Lastly, FI is calm and now willing to work so guess what. She's an outdoor dog now. Are you happy with that? I know I'm not. I don't want her outside. I don't think its fair.

I've tried working with her, and so has FI. And we're going to keep her and try working with her.

So instead of jumping down someone's throat, why not ask more about the situation hmm? Or is that all you're programmed to do? Jump down people's throats? If so, wow.

And yeah, don't equate children to dogs. Its not the same. Sure its a human/animal life, and life should be treated the same, but with babies its way different. So don't assume that.

Again, so fcking sorry for being such a bad pet owner and wanting my dog to be somewhere she's happy and not in pain.

Ghoti · April 2011

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[QUOTE]First off. We docked her tail because the tip was braking and was becoming dead. We had the option of letting her tail keep getting worse, which would spread an infection through her body and get her even more sick. Wow, not such a bad pet owner on that one am I? I prolonged her life by electing ot have a PAINLESS SURGERY in which she benefitted from. She is happier and no longer in pain/ As for the shoe thing, its nto the shoes I'm mad about. Its the money. So SORRY for worrying about finances and trying to make sure we dont fall behind and have to pay for extra things like new shoes. Thirdly, the first time, yes, it was my FI's fault for leaving the door open and he admitted it and we moved on. This time, he shut both the closet and bedroom doors. He found the bedroom door off its hingest and our closet door the same. While I am upset about her chewing up the shoes, I'm more upset with the money issue. And as for training, we take her to training every weekend and is the worst dog there. She knows how to sit and thats about it. Oh, and she's finally learned how to not jump on people. So before you go throwing that shiit around, why not ask first? Oh and as for house training. READ. We TRIED crating her, but she ate through the locks and broke her crate. She isn't a dumb dog. ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no. She gets treats for doing good things and is somewhat learning that. As for exercise, we go on nightly walks. Shes outside a lot when we get home. We run her around the backyard and play fetch with her. She's a very hyper dog so we try to make sure she expends her energy usefully. So don't assume she sits in the house all day doing nothing and only goes outside to pee. You're wrong, and an idiot for assuming. Lastly, FI is calm and now willing to work so guess what. She's an outdoor dog now. Are you happy with that? I know I'm not. I don't want her outside. I don't think its fair. I've tried working with her, and so has FI. And we're going to keep her and try working with her. So instead of jumping down someone's throat, why not ask more about the situation hmm? Or is that all you're programmed to do? Jump down people's throats? If so, wow. And yeah, don't equate children to dogs. Its not the same. Sure its a human/animal life, and life should be treated the same, but with babies its way different. So don't assume that. Again, so fcking sorry for being such a bad pet owner and wanting my dog to be somewhere she's happy and not in pain.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

Blueyed228 · April 2011

My dog lost half her tail when she got hit by a car. It was really a really painful thing for her to go through, but it was needed since it was severely broken.

I could never imagine docking her tail because it annoyed me. And I have a pit. Those suckers have tails like baseball bats.

baystateapple · April 2011

I haven't had a dog since my parents' dog passed away in 2006. But I remember when we got him (I was 13), he ate his way through half of our basement, multiple couches, and many, many other things that he shouldn't have had his teeth around. I would trade all that stuff and more to still have him around. He was a fantastic dog.

The key here? My parents were excellent disciplinarians.

If you want a dog, you have to raise them right. If you leave the door to your closet open, and he eats your stuff, it's YOUR fault, NOT his. He doesn't know any better.

Best thing you could do for the dog now is to put him in a no-kill shelter where someone will adopt him and give him a loving home. I can't even comment on the tail docking thing. That just enrages me.

shaydenise · April 2011

I call bullsh!t on the crate excuse. One of our dogs chewed the shitt out of the tray in her crate. Want to know what we did? We made a new damnn tray out of plywood, foam pads and fabric. Not a single problem since. If that doesn't do it for you, get a new crate. You're just selfish. Completely and totally selfish if you care more about your stupid shoes than your dog.

Denise91980 · April 2011

I cannot even bring myself to fully say as I want, because I will get banned. But seriously!!!!!! That is what dogs do! If you crate trained her properly (not sure how she could eat through a metal cage) until she could be fully trusted, then you probably wouldn't have this problem! Pumpkin is 1 1/2 and still will chew shoes or slippers, I would never get rid of her because of my own negligence. I guess when you have kids, you will leave them on a stranger's doorstep for having a tantrum or puking on your Jimmy Choos!

KatyRoseM · April 2011

Your dog sounds a lot like mine actually. She doesn't deal well with most kinds of training because she thinks she will be abandoned if you do any negative reenforcement. So we learned it has to be all positive. I get that when they destroy things it can be upsetting, when my puppy destroyed the only photo Fi has of his birth mother he was really pissed. But what we learned was that she was a puppy, and teething, and should not be left without supervision around priceless family mementos. We also learned that she responds well to some types of training, if not others. You can't say bad dog, because she goes into hiding and doesn't learn, but if you praise her for good things she catches on.

Also, you can spray your shoes with no licking spray, that smells bad to dogs and it won't chew them anymore. There problem solved and you don't even have to take better care of your dog. Clearly you just don't care for her and want to get rid of her. So I don't know why we are even bothering

pinkrn19 · April 2011

I would love to know how much " training" was involved.. You chose to take he responsibility for an animal and now are just dropping the pooch off??? Disgusting!

beatlesgirl25 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: :( : Man, by that standard I should have dropped Charlie off at the pound a million times over by this point. That boy is not housebroken. Does click training work on fiances?
Posted by sarah0725[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you also need one of those feather fishing pole toys. But if he eats it, then you have to kick him out.

LTZ, that makes sense if the dog was injuring herself, and I agree I'd do the same. I'd just never heard of that. And given the current situation, I also wonder if that's what really happened.

nivea2011 · April 2011

You're all kinds of lame. People like you make me sick. Are you going to get rid of your kids if they pee their pants? God, you seriously suck balls.

J&K10910 · April 2011

ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no.

Holy shitballs you need a new trainer. That's NOT a good way to train a dog.

And? Don't keep her. Seriously. You suck and the dog deserves better.

Jelenny · April 2011

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: :( : Thank you jelenny! I was thinking the same darn thing!
Posted by Hellokatie0517[/QUOTE]

I got an awesome new and improved doggie model....mine eats recliners but will nudge me after 15 mins at the computer....come play come play (who can turn down that offer?)....oh wait....

Celles · April 2011

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[QUOTE]And everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

Your trainer's a fucking idiot.

Blueyed228 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]First off. We docked her tail because the tip was braking and was becoming dead. We had the option of letting her tail keep getting worse, which would spread an infection through her body and get her even more sick. Wow, not such a bad pet owner on that one am I? I prolonged her life by electing ot have a PAINLESS SURGERY in which she benefitted from. She is happier and no longer in pain/ As for the shoe thing, its nto the shoes I'm mad about. Its the money. So SORRY for worrying about finances and trying to make sure we dont fall behind and have to pay for extra things like new shoes. Thirdly, the first time, yes, it was my FI's fault for leaving the door open and he admitted it and we moved on. This time, he shut both the closet and bedroom doors. He found the bedroom door off its hingest and our closet door the same. While I am upset about her chewing up the shoes, I'm more upset with the money issue. And as for training, we take her to training every weekend and is the worst dog there. She knows how to sit and thats about it. Oh, and she's finally learned how to not jump on people. So before you go throwing that shiit around, why not ask first? Oh and as for house training. READ. We TRIED crating her, but she ate through the locks and broke her crate. She isn't a dumb dog. ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no. She gets treats for doing good things and is somewhat learning that. As for exercise, we go on nightly walks. Shes outside a lot when we get home. We run her around the backyard and play fetch with her. She's a very hyper dog so we try to make sure she expends her energy usefully. So don't assume she sits in the house all day doing nothing and only goes outside to pee. You're wrong, and an idiot for assuming. Lastly, FI is calm and now willing to work so guess what. She's an outdoor dog now. Are you happy with that? I know I'm not. I don't want her outside. I don't think its fair. I've tried working with her, and so has FI. And we're going to keep her and try working with her. So instead of jumping down someone's throat, why not ask more about the situation hmm? Or is that all you're programmed to do? Jump down people's throats? If so, wow. And yeah, don't equate children to dogs. Its not the same. Sure its a human/animal life, and life should be treated the same, but with babies its way different. So don't assume that. Again, so fcking sorry for being such a bad pet owner and wanting my dog to be somewhere she's happy and not in pain.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

Tail docking is not a painless surgery. Especially not when they are grown.

If money is so tight that losing a pair of $100 shoes puts you in the hole, DONT BUY FCKING $100 PAIRS OF SHOES.

How does chewing your shoes make her in pain???

Ghoti · April 2011

I bet if you put half as much energy into training as you do into your "photography", knotting and other hobbies, you wouldn't be having these issues.

DodgersBride · April 2011

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[QUOTE]Again, so fcking sorry for being such a bad pet owner and wanting my dog to be somewhere she's happy and not in pain.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

Being given away to a shelter is not somewhere she would be happy. She would be happy with owners who love and care for her at all cost. I can understand the financial burden it must be to have a dog but you knew the responsibilities when you first got a dog.

waltzingmatilda13 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]Technically the dogs tail was wagging, hitting things and had been broken several times because of this. That's why it was recommended it be docked, which makes sense to me. I don't know that the story is true. But if my dog kept breaking it's tail from wagging vigorously and hitting things, and a vet suggested it be docked, I'd do the same.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Okay, that I can see because it was for the health and safety of the dog. I thought it was just annoying the owner. Like I said, I never saw the thread.

SarahPLiz · April 2011

Its just too bad that your dog has no concept of money, and now you are abandoning her and she has no idea why. Sad.

KendallandAlbert · April 2011

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[QUOTE]ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

Your trainer is an idiot. This is not how you correct poor or inappropriate behavior in a dog. Dog training 101. And taking care of your dog's tail does NOT make you a "great owner". It makes you a normal owner. It's your responsibility to care for her...

Also, if money is SO tight, why are you buying $100 shoes and spending all this time on the knot when you could get a 2nd job or find a way to increase your cash flow?

I am with everyone else, take the pup to a no-kill shelter so it can have a wonderful owner who will actually treat it with respect and love. Your dog deserves better than what you can give.

FutureJilliannD · April 2011

My parent's dog broke out of her crate as well. So we got some babyproofing plastic lock things. Guess what? She ate through them. So we padlocked the crate. Trust me, no dog is going to get through industrial outdoor padlocks. But it is better for the dog because she is safe while we are gone. She used to try to break open doors, chew on paneling etc., and we were very worried she would hurt herself.

My dog figured out how to throw herself against the cabinet so that the magnet lock would open and she would eat bags and bags of treats. So I wrapped rubber bands around the knobs so it won't open.

It's about training and BEING SMARTER THAN THE DOG. You are smarter than the dog. It is about communicating to the dog that what it is doing is not tolerated.
Dogs are not easy. They take tons of work. But you have to be willing to do what is necessary or you shouldn't have one at all.

J&K10910 · April 2011

Dogs are expensive. REALLY expensive. If you're not able to take on ANY expense a dog might bring in some way, then you shouldn't have a dog. That includes $100 shoes the dog destroys, and the thousands of dollars of emergency surgery when the dog eats something it needs removed from its stomach.

Jelenny · April 2011

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[QUOTE]First off. We docked her tail because the tip was braking and was becoming dead. We had the option of letting her tail keep getting worse, which would spread an infection through her body and get her even more sick. Wow, not such a bad pet owner on that one am I? I prolonged her life by electing ot have a PAINLESS SURGERY in which she benefitted from. She is happier and no longer in pain/ As for the shoe thing, its nto the shoes I'm mad about. Its the money. So SORRY for worrying about finances and trying to make sure we dont fall behind and have to pay for extra things like new shoes. Thirdly, the first time, yes, it was my FI's fault for leaving the door open and he admitted it and we moved on. This time, he shut both the closet and bedroom doors. He found the bedroom door off its hingest and our closet door the same. While I am upset about her chewing up the shoes, I'm more upset with the money issue. And as for training, we take her to training every weekend and is the worst dog there. She knows how to sit and thats about it. Oh, and she's finally learned how to not jump on people. So before you go throwing that shiit around, why not ask first? Oh and as for house training. READ. We TRIED crating her, but she ate through the locks and broke her crate. She isn't a dumb dog. ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no. She gets treats for doing good things and is somewhat learning that. As for exercise, we go on nightly walks. Shes outside a lot when we get home. We run her around the backyard and play fetch with her. She's a very hyper dog so we try to make sure she expends her energy usefully. So don't assume she sits in the house all day doing nothing and only goes outside to pee. You're wrong, and an idiot for assuming. Lastly, FI is calm and now willing to work so guess what. She's an outdoor dog now. Are you happy with that? I know I'm not. I don't want her outside. I don't think its fair. I've tried working with her, and so has FI. And we're going to keep her and try working with her. So instead of jumping down someone's throat, why not ask more about the situation hmm? Or is that all you're programmed to do? Jump down people's throats? If so, wow. And yeah, don't equate children to dogs. Its not the same. Sure its a human/animal life, and life should be treated the same, but with babies its way different. So don't assume that. Again, so fcking sorry for being such a bad pet owner and wanting my dog to be somewhere she's happy and not in pain.
Posted by stacie+luciano[/QUOTE]

news flash pets cost money....so do kids please don't have them...there is no special little no kill place to dump a child who may ::gasp:: damage something of yours that would cost MONEY to fix.

Cynthia1207 · April 2011

No just no.....I must agree this sounds a lot like M&R and the fact that someone just pops on the board, starts 15 threads a day about nonsense kind of looks a little weird....anyway that was a side-note. I think you should give the dog to someone who actually WANTS to take care of her. Obviously you are incapable.

shaydenise · April 2011

So, now she's an outside dog... Well, since "training" doesn't work, get ready for her chewing on your house because dogs will do that. Also, do you have a fence? Yeah, she'll probably dig out, have fun with that, too. Of course I'm assuming you aren't just chaining her up all day in the hot sun...

J&K10910 · April 2011

AND ALSO? If nightly walks aren't working (clearly they're not), maybe you should try walking in the morning too. If they dog was a little more sleepy during the day, she wouldn't be as inclined to eat her way out of her crate.

Meg1979 · April 2011

I haven't ever owned a dog outside of the family dog, but it was my understanding that for puppies, you have to puppy-proof the house as much as you can. I think this is an owner fail.

OBX2011 · April 2011

ANd everytime she does something bad, we do what we were told by the trainer... show her what she did wrong, pop her on the nose, and say no. She gets treats for doing good things and is somewhat learning that.

Now I want to smack your trainer in the nose and see how he likes it!! You NEVER "pop" a dog on its nose b/c in the future, anytime that someone tries to pet him, he will think that he is being "popped" and will turn his head away from you and thus be timid & scared.

Buuuttttt then again I guess Im wasting my time explaining this since you are getting rid of your dog.

You seriously cant take the time to find a good home for the dog? You are just going to cross your fingers that someone will come in an rescue him and provide a good home to him? If you truly cared for this dog, the absolute LEAST you could do is to take the time to find him a good home and meet with the new owners, take the dog to their house for a meet & greet session. DO NOT DROP YOUR DOG OFF AT A NO-KILL SHELTER!

So help me God if I still lived in SA, I would be on the way to your house right now to give this dog the loving home he deserves.

No one ever said training a dog would be easy.....good for you for taking the dog to classes but your trainer fvucking sucks balls! Maybe you need a personal trainer to come to YOUR house since the dog is obviously not doing well being surrounded by other dogs.

Stacie, I implore you to re-consider. Tell your FI he sucks balls too if he is soooo ready to give up at this point. It takes A LOT of time and A LOT of patience to train a dog....positive reinforcement is key here.

ETA: Spelling

Denise91980 · April 2011

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[QUOTE]It's about training and BEING SMARTER THAN THE DOG. You are smarter than the dog. It is about communicating to the dog that what it is doing is not tolerated. Posted by FutureJilliannD[/QUOTE]

Apparently not in this case!

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