Can we judge things?

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Yeah, I mean, shopping at VS might be a little premature for a middle schooler. (Then again, I have no idea, I haven't been in middle school since the 90s, haha.) But if she wants to wear underwear that, generally, doesn't come out of a plastic multi-pack I think that's fine. My mom was SOOOO strict with underwear when I was growing up so this is coming from a place of "not wanting to wear grannies at age 14" frustration!
Posted by K Byte[/QUOTE]


Oh yeah and to both you and J&K i understand what you mean and pretty much agree. I was just kind of thinking of the opposite thought process. I can't say how I'l deal with this if I have a daughter some day. I just imagine it being weird.

Celles

MissC -- You celebrate Christmas in December because your church decided that it would be easier to convert various pagans to Christianity if it hijacked their winter festivals (Saturnalia for the Romans, Solstice for the Celts, etc.).  Many ostensibly Christmas traditions -- Christmas tree, yule log, etc. -- come from pagan rituals.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : HAHA, What?! Thongs are the most uncomfortable things I've ever tried to wear in my life. I give you adies who wear them A LOT of credit because I cannot handle it. To me, it's a constant wedgie.
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Seriously?  I'd much rather have a string up my ass than an entire handful of material.  I don't even notice them anymore.

reddy123

Nope, again, I was just wanting VS undies, because it was the cool thing, especially the ones with the logo along the band, and it was what all the rich, popular girls had.

Never got 'em, and now when I look at them I think, you want $26.00 for this?!

LesPaul

Here is a little about the historical significance of using the abbreviation Xmas.

The exact origin of the single letter X for Christ cannot be pinpointed with certainty. Some claim that it began in the first century AD along with the other symbols, but evidence is lacking. Others think that it came into widespread use by the thirteenth century along with many other abbreviations and symbols for Christianity and various Christian ideas that were popular in the Middle Ages. However, again, the evidence is sparse.

In any case, by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C for the word "Christ" to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and "Xmas" became an accepted way of printing "Christmas" (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century.

So there is no grand scheme to dilute Christianity by promoting the use of Xmas instead of Christmas. It is not a modern invention to try to convert Christmas into a secular day, nor is it a device to promote the commercialism of the holiday season.  Its origin is thoroughly rooted in the heritage of the Church.  It is simply another way to say Christmas, drawing on a long history of symbolic abbreviations used in the church. In fact, as with other abbreviations used in common speech or writing (such as Mr. or etc.), the abbreviation "Xmas" should be pronounced "Christmas" just as if the word were written out in full, rather than saying "exmas." Understanding this use of Christian symbolism might help us modern day Xians focus on more important issues of the Faith during Advent, and bring a little more Peace to the Xmas Season.

Source: http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html

MISSCOURTNEY20

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Well, a google search will turn up several different "resources" that say several different things, but most of them agree that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th.  I think Christmas stays for tradition.  <strong>You saying you don't judge people for their beliefs but then saying you judge them for x-ing Christ out does not compute to me.</strong>  Sorry.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

I don't judge them for what they believe but I think that it is disrespectful to x Christ out of that is the intent. I never get into a conversation about religion because we all feel just as strong about what we believe.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]LTZ- I think they're a lot more comfortable than briefs or bikinis, with boyshorts being a close second.  Everything else just bunches and crawls up there. 
Posted by chirpchirp[/QUOTE]

Damn chirp. More power to you. I tried to like them, I really did. It just wouldn't happen.

chirpchirp

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[QUOTE]Nope, again, I was just wanting VS undies, because it was the cool thing, especially the ones with the logo along the band, and it was what all the rich, popular girls had. Never got 'em, and now when I look at them I think, <strong>you want $26.00 for this?!
</strong>Posted by reddy123[/QUOTE]

haha, exactly.  I'll stick to my target clearance undies. 

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]MissC -- You celebrate Christmas in December because your church decided that it would be easier to convert various pagans to Christianity if it hijacked their winter festivals (Saturnalia for the Romans, Solstice for the Celts, etc.).  Many ostensibly Christmas traditions -- Christmas tree, yule log, etc. -- come from pagan rituals.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Stop judging, heathen.

MISSCOURTNEY20

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[QUOTE]MissC -- You celebrate Christmas in December because your church decided that it would be easier to convert various pagans to Christianity if it hijacked their winter festivals (Saturnalia for the Romans, Solstice for the Celts, etc.).  Many ostensibly Christmas traditions -- Christmas tree, yule log, etc. -- come from pagan rituals.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Really? See I was raised Christian and have really never done any research on the otherwise. Thanks, Celles for the enlightenment.

LessThanZero

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Seriously?  I'd much rather have a string up my ass than an entire handful of material.  I don't even notice them anymore.
Posted by J&K10910[/QUOTE]

Yeah but see, that's the thing, I don;t get wedgies and bunching up from them at all. Just pure comfort. Ahhh.   : )

reddy123

Les, that was interesting about the type setting (it reminded me of text messaging), but does it ever say why they chose an "x"? My mom told me because it was like a cross.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : I don't judge them for what they believe but I think that it is disrespectful to x Christ out of that is the intent. I never get into a conversation about religion because we all feel just as strong about what we believe.
Posted by MISSCOURTNEY20[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'm almost done with this, because I feel like we'll talk in circles about this for days if we keep going, ha, but to me, you saying you judge people for x-ing Christ out (which I think most people say xmas to shorten it because they're lazy, not because they're Jesus haters) and that you can't imagine not celebrating the "full holiday" sounds like judging them for what they believe.  That's all.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Yeah but see, that's the thing, I don;t get wedgies and bunching up from them at all. Just pure comfort. Ahhh.   : )
Posted by LessThanZero[/QUOTE]

Well, it must be nice :-p

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My full version of Christmas usually involves some sort of fight over dinner rolls.

MISSCOURTNEY20

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[QUOTE]Here is a little about the historical significance of using the abbreviation Xmas. The exact origin of the single letter X for Christ cannot be pinpointed with certainty. Some claim that it began in the first century AD along with the other symbols, but evidence is lacking. Others think that it came into widespread use by the thirteenth century along with many other abbreviations and symbols for Christianity and various Christian ideas that were popular in the Middle Ages. However, again, the evidence is sparse. In any case, by the fifteenth century Xmas emerged as a widely used symbol for Christmas. In 1436 Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press with moveable type. In the early days of printing typesetting was done by hand and was very tedious and expensive. As a result, abbreviations were common. In religious publications, the church began to use the abbreviation C for the word "Christ" to cut down on the cost of the books and pamphlets. From there, the abbreviation moved into general use in newspapers and other publications, and "Xmas" became an accepted way of printing "Christmas" (along with the abbreviations Xian and Xianity). Even Webster’s dictionary acknowledges that the abbreviation Xmas was in common use by the middle of the sixteenth century. So there is no grand scheme to dilute Christianity by promoting the use of Xmas instead of Christmas. It is not a modern invention to try to convert Christmas into a secular day, nor is it a device to promote the commercialism of the holiday season.  Its origin is thoroughly rooted in the heritage of the Church.  It is simply another way to say Christmas, drawing on a long history of symbolic abbreviations used in the church. In fact, as with other abbreviations used in common speech or writing (such as Mr. or etc.), the abbreviation "Xmas" should be pronounced "Christmas" just as if the word were written out in full, rather than saying "exmas." Understanding this use of Christian symbolism might help us modern day Xians focus on more important issues of the Faith during Advent, and bring a little more Peace to the Xmas Season. Source: <a href="http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.crivoice.org/symbols/xmasorigin.html</a>
Posted by LesPaul[/QUOTE]

Thanks Les. I guess from this, I have nothing to judge today.

Well maybe my neighbors who will walk in my driveway to prevent themselves from walking in their driveway cause they didnt shovel the 4 inches of snow when it was soft and now that it is hard, they don't want to be bothered. Lazy asses!!!!

Celles

I wonder if Jesus would be amused or offended by the juxtaposition of his name (X = Chi = Greek Christos, btw) with a debate about whether boy shorts or thongs are more wedgie-prone.

DodgersBride

I judge people for taking credit for things they didn't do.

I just people who don't flush the toilet while out in public.

I judge people who when splitting the check while out to dinner don't include tax or tip. Hello rounding 5.99 to 6.00 doesn't cover your full tax.

julezlee

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[QUOTE]My full version of Christmas usually involves some sort of fight over dinner rolls.
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

Ours usually involves fights WITH dinner rolls.  God help the person who asks my mother to pass a roll. 

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In a similarly vein, Mizery, I judge my ex-boyfriend's ex-wife for letting their daughter wear thongs when she was all of 12 years-old.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

Oh jeez. It was a struggle to get my mom to let me buy a thong when I was shopping for clothes before leaving for college.

Edit: I finally had to tell her it was a VPL issue, not a wild sex thing.

J&K10910

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[QUOTE]I wonder if Jesus would be amused or offended by the juxtaposition of his name (X = Chi = Greek Christos , btw) with a debate about whether boy shorts or thongs are more wedgie-prone.
Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]

I think he's got a pretty good sense of humor.  My vote is amused.

laurenclaire1386

MissCourtney, the pictogram chi rho (greek letters) was also used as an abbreviation for Jesus Christ. Chi is an X, so Jesus isn't really being x-ed out of anything, if you look at it from that approach.

If you're interested:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Ours usually involves fights WITH dinner rolls.  God help the person who asks my mother to pass a roll. 
Posted by julezlee[/QUOTE]

Jerry Springer style? Where there also people in bad fitting wedding dresses and really dark make up?

reddy123

Thank you celles and LC, I've always wondered. 

Celles

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wtf.

undyingmizery

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[QUOTE]MissC -- You celebrate Christmas in December because your church decided that it would be easier to convert various pagans to Christianity if it hijacked their winter festivals (Saturnalia for the Romans, Solstice for the Celts, etc.).  Many ostensibly Christmas traditions -- Christmas tree, yule log, etc. -- <strong>come from pagan rituals.
</strong>Posted by Celles[/QUOTE]
 
Agreed! are you pagan as well? I have to agree with the fact people should be happy about their holidays and celebrate them with spirit. I do but I celebrate differently I.E Samhain, Yule ect. But I celebrate them with spirit!

julezlee

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : Jerry Springer style? Where there also people in bad fitting wedding dresses and really dark make up?
Posted by cew515[/QUOTE]

I wish.  Maybe if I ever go back for Xmas I'll wear my wedding dress and bring along some DNA tests to figure out who the kitty's daddy really is. 

TurtlesAllTheWayDown

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? : I get what your saying. I don't want my imaginary daughter looking like a harlot or anything, I just don't see the issue with underwear, it's hidden (well, with good pants and belt). My mom and I had numerous arguments about it. It was also lame seeing all my friends shop at VS and have little boy shorts, etc, when I had granny panties.
Posted by reddy123[/QUOTE]

Because who gives a crap if you have granny panties when you're TWELVE? They're comfortable. No one will be seeing them. And it's not like you need to worry about VPL because a twelve year old shouldn't be wearing clothing that makes VPL a possibility.

MISSCOURTNEY20

Yeah, thanks to you too Celles. I really do appreciate it.

Celles

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Can we judge things? :   Agreed! <strong>are you pagan as well?</strong> I have to agree with the fact people should be happy about their holidays and celebrate them with spirit. I do but I celebrate differently I.E Samhain, Yule ect. But I celebrate them with spirit!
Posted by undyingmizery[/QUOTE]

Nah. I'm an atheist. I think all theists are equally wrong, but I'll admit to sympathizing with the pagans on this one.  Andplusalso, their parties?  Way more fun.