Unpop ops/flameable confessions

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I'm sorry, but what?  Native American friends of mine say this is their biggest gripe, because if Natives are getting handouts for college, they sure as hell haven't gotten any. ETA - also I'm of the belief that you can't get any grants or scholarships if you're not applying for any.  FFS.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

Im pretty sure they get automatic money for school, just because they are NA.  A friend of mine is like 1/4 and he gets 10K a year for school.  No questions asked.

lbarr088

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Hey, speak for yourself. I didnt do shiit. Neither did my "people".  <strong>My people were not even here yet!</strong>
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

<div>Ditto!</div>

NuggetBrain

My UP - I get kind of pissed off at the fact that Native Americans get all of these tax breaks and money from casinos (I'm in MN) and their own police departments and sh*t, and black people have, what.  Affirmative Action?  I'm sorry that a bunch of white people showed up and stole your land and gave you smallpox.  But a bunch of white people showed up and stole our freedom and we haven't gotten sh*t for it.  I want some casino money or to not pay taxes.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Im pretty sure they get automatic money for school, just because they are NA.  A friend of mine is like 1/4 and he gets 10K a year for school.  No questions asked.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


That's pretty interesting, I don't think that happens in these parts.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : That's pretty interesting, I don't think that happens in these parts.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

Do you have local tribes?  We have a few near us (they get the casino money in CT).  But im pretty sure its across the board since its a federal scholarship and not a state one.   You just have to prove you are native.

Nebb

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[QUOTE]My UP - I get kind of pissed off at the fact that Native Americans get all of these tax breaks and money from casinos (I'm in MN) and their own police departments and sh*t, and black people have, what.  Affirmative Action?  I'm sorry that a bunch of white people showed up and stole your land and gave you smallpox.  But a bunch of white people showed up and stole our freedom and we haven't gotten sh*t for it.  I want some casino money or to not pay taxes.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]
If one group gets things, others should too. Exactly. Why are they the only group of people who were put upon that get anythign out of it this far down the line?

cheeseandrice

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I think before students can take out those massive loans most (if not all) are required to complete loan counseling, so they understand what they're getting into.  Whether or not they take anything from it is up to them.
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

I'm late to this, but I had to do a 'loan counseling' thing. It was a 15 minute online-thing and it was lame. We also had an exit interview which was FAR more informative.  That was required... the day before graduation. You know, once I already had $40k in loans.

cheeseandrice

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[QUOTE]My UP - I get kind of pissed off at the fact that Native Americans get all of these tax breaks and money from casinos (I'm in MN) and their own police departments and sh*t, and black people have, what.  Affirmative Action?  I'm sorry that a bunch of white people showed up and stole your land and gave you smallpox.  But a bunch of white people showed up and stole our freedom and we haven't gotten sh*t for it.  I want some casino money or to not pay taxes.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

OMG. Just go back to your home country and quit bitching.

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]My UP - I get kind of pissed off at the fact that Native Americans get all of these tax breaks and money from casinos (I'm in MN) and their own police departments and sh*t, and black people have, what.  Affirmative Action?  I'm sorry that a bunch of white people showed up and stole your land and gave you smallpox.  But a bunch of white people showed up and stole our freedom and we haven't gotten sh*t for it.  I want some casino money or to not pay taxes.
Posted by NuggetBrain[/QUOTE]

Honestly, Im tired of later generations of certain cultural groups expecting some kind of hand out for something that didnt happen to them.  Black people and Native Americans are not the only people in the history of forever that were treated horribly.

NuggetBrain

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I'm late to this, but I had to do a 'loan counseling' thing. It was a 15 minute online-thing and it was lame. We also had an exit interview which was FAR more informative.  That was required... the day before graduation. <strong>You know, once I already had $40k in loans.
</strong>Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

Student Loans 101: What to Do Now That You're Royally F*cked.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Do you have local tribes?  We have a few near us (they get the casino money in CT).  But im pretty sure its across the board since its a federal scholarship and not a state one.   You just have to prove you are native.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


Yeah we have four indian reservations in ND.  I know they get aid to a small degree, but none of them say they get thousands of dollars to go to college. 

It's an enormous part of the Fighting Sioux nickname debate at my alma mater.  People (stupidly) say "Well, if you're going to take away the nickname, don't give the Natives free money to go to college."  Then the Natives say "Uh, we don't get free money to go to college.  We have student loans like everyone else."

SEWF

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I agree with Adamar, but I think that a way to combat the issue would be to try and teach students what it means when they take out a loan. So many students don't know the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized loans, what it means to default, etc. There is this massive misunderstanding that a loan is just "free money" and as students gain a better understanding of how loans work they realize they may have screwed themselves earlier in their education. 
Posted by ErinG93[/QUOTE]

<div>This, so much. Not only did I have unexpected money I had to pay off at the end of my schooling, my H works at a local college in the cashier's office, and he deals with this ALL THE TIME. No one ever really explained to me where all this money was coming from or what was going on with it, I just knew that I would get to go to college. There should be classes in high school to explain all this stuff, because I had NO idea what the hell was going on. And by the time I did realize, I was so far behind, it seemed like I had been misled.</div>

Blueyed228

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Yeah we have four indian reservations in ND.  I know they get aid to a small degree, but none of them say they get thousands of dollars to go to college.  It's an enormous part of the Fighting Sioux nickname debate at my alma mater.  People (stupidly) say "Well, if you're going to take away the nickname, don't give the Natives free money to go to college."  Then the Natives say "Uh, we don't get free money to go to college.  We have student loans like everyone else."
Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]

AATB-  maybe its not from the Govt then?  Maybe the Native Americans here get that money from the casinos?  Im not really sure about it.

KateJ10

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Im pretty sure they get automatic money for school, just because they are NA.  A friend of mine is like 1/4 and he gets 10K a year for school.  No questions asked.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

I think you are correct. I know friends of mine who are partially Indian and they had their tuition paid for (not at every college though).

I guess it also bugged me that they had a few open spots for anyone of Native American descent for the professional pharmacy program. All they would have to do would be to maintain the minimum requirements to get entry into the pharmacy program. Everyone else had to fight for their admission, with much higher test scores/grades.

MRSBJS

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I'm late to this, but I had to do a 'loan counseling' thing. It was a 15 minute online-thing and it was lame. We also had an exit interview which was FAR more informative.  That was required... the day before graduation. You know, once I already had $40k in loans.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

We do loan counseling too - it's required before a student can even sit in class at our school.  It reviews their rights and responsibilities and makes sure they understand that they will be expected to pay back any loans they take out. We also have our FA director do a presentation in class.

maratea

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Honestly, Im tired of later generations of certain cultural groups expecting some kind of hand out for something that didnt happen to them.  <strong>Black people and Native Americans are not the only people in the history of forever that were treated horribly.</strong>
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
For real. Irish immigrants had a terrible time back in the day (mid-1800s, right?).

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : AATB-  maybe its not from the Govt then?  Maybe the Native Americans here get that money from the casinos?  Im not really sure about it.
Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]


I dunno, could be.  But we do have casinos.  At least one for sure.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : For real. Irish immigrants had a terrible time back in the day (mid-1800s, right?).
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]


The Japanese in the 1940s (yikes)

ErinG93

I think the "race" line should be removed from college applications, and job applications. Just level the playing field. That's probably an unpopular opinion.

adamar15

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : This, so much. Not only did I have unexpected money I had to pay off at the end of my schooling, my H works at a local college in the cashier's office, and he deals with this ALL THE TIME. No one ever really explained to me where all this money was coming from or what was going on with it, I just knew that I would get to go to college. There should be classes in high school to explain all this stuff, because I had NO idea what the hell was going on. And by the time I did realize, I was so far behind, it seemed like I had been misled.
Posted by SEWF[/QUOTE]

How did you not know where the money was coming from?  I've had to fill out the loan form every year and put in how much money I need. 

NicoleSahara

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : This, so much. Not only did I have unexpected money I had to pay off at the end of my schooling, my H works at a local college in the cashier's office, and he deals with this ALL THE TIME. No one ever really explained to me where all this money was coming from or what was going on with it, I just knew that I would get to go to college. There should be classes in high school to explain all this stuff, because I had NO idea what the hell was going on. And by the time I did realize, I was so far behind, it seemed like I had been misled.
Posted by SEWF[/QUOTE]

I feel like the resources are there to explain everything, but it requires the student putting in some time to see what they're getting into. And by the time you get to college, you are an adult that should be able to educate yourself on what your loan entails. I can't imagine getting out of school and not being aware that you even took out a loan.

MeaghanandMichael

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : For real. Irish immigrants had a terrible time back in the day (mid-1800s, right?).
Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

Yup! My great-grandmother talks about remembering seeing "no Irish need apply signs" in the windows of retailers when she was a little girl and that was as late as the turn of the century.

SEWF

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : We do loan counseling too - it's required before a student can even sit in class at our school.  It reviews their rights and responsibilities and makes sure they understand that they will be expected to pay back any loans they take out. We also have our FA director do a presentation in class.
Posted by MRSBJS[/QUOTE]

<div>Maybe it was my college, then. I wish I had had something like this so I would have been prepared. I just felt blindsided.</div>

cheeseandrice

I agree with removing the race line. But I said it last time... my unpop op is that affirmative action is racist. Or bias or whatever. It's providing different options/treatment based soley on race.

Another unpop op: there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.

Blueyed228

Also, the state that the Native American people are in right now makes me think we are not doing them any favors with all of this stuff.

ErinG93

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[QUOTE]I agree with removing the race line. But I said it last time... my unpop op is that affirmative action is racist. Or bias or whatever. It's providing different options/treatment based soley on race. Another unpop op: there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]<div>
</div><div>Yep. This is exactly how I feel.</div><div>
</div>

MeaghanandMichael

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[QUOTE]I agree with removing the race line. But I said it last time... my unpop op is that affirmative action is racist. Or bias or whatever. It's providing different options/treatment based soley on race. Another unpop op: there is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.
Posted by Steph+J[/QUOTE]

Agree with all this. I dislike when people are refering to the fact that racism is "reversed" in the sense a minority is hating on a majority. I do not care if you a one strong or 10 million, hate is hate man.

SEWF

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : How did you not know where the money was coming from?  I've had to fill out the loan form every year and put in how much money I need. 
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]

<div>I think it was partially my own ignorance (no one in my family had ever been to college, so even my mom couldn't help me), and the financial aide counselor not really caring. She pretty much would put forms in front of me and have me sign. In my mind, I was thinking, "Oh my gosh, I get to go to college." I had a scholarship that covered a lot of my tuition, so when she and I would meet, I'd be signing forms for that, too. She didn't explain real well, and I didn't ask. If I had had a mandatory class or something, I think I would have paid more attention.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: I didn't really know the kind of questions to ask that would have helped me understand. I know that sounds really ignorant, but I really was naive.</div>

adamar15

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I think it was partially my own ignorance (no one in my family had ever been to college, so even my mom couldn't help me), and the financial aide counselor not really caring. She pretty much would put forms in front of me and have me sign. In my mind, I was thinking, "Oh my gosh, I get to go to college." I had a scholarship that covered a lot of my tuition, so when she and I would meet, I'd be signing forms for that, too. She didn't explain real well, and I didn't ask. If I had had a mandatory class or something, I think I would have paid more attention.
Posted by SEWF[/QUOTE]

Gotcha.  The financial aid people barely do anything at my school, so I have to read everything and stay on top of them to make sure I get my money.  I don't have any scholarships, so I pretty know everything I sign is for a loan.

MeaghanandMichael

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[QUOTE]Erin, you've seen race being asked on a job  application?
Posted by jcbsjr[/QUOTE]


Sure! You can decline to answer though.