I judge..

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : AND you sold your tourniquet.
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]


See?  SCREWED.

raypoppins

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : AND you sold your tourniquet.
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]

Ha!

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : But <strong>HOW WOULD THIS ACTUALLY HELP YOU?</strong>  Seriously.  It wouldn't get you off food stamps, you admit that, so how would it "help" to deprive yourself of every nice thing you ever had for a few hundred bucks?  Seriously, I want to understand this, please explain.
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]

It could pay the rent, utilities, faxing and printing your resume. Maybe they don't have a decent outfit for interviews it could buy that. It could pay for the bus ticket to the job interview. It could pay all sorts of things.

mica178

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : A heart?
Posted by LP11509[/QUOTE]

My general CQTM turned into a LOL.

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : Well it took you six pages to tell us what you'd sell, so there's that.
Posted by StephBeanWed61502[/QUOTE]

I am at work today. Obviously slacking but I have been coming and going because I'm doing other things.

FutureMrsTR

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : A heart?
Posted by LP11509[/QUOTE]

Winning.

And she didn't sell her tourniquet, the selling of the small things IS the tourniquet.  Keep the metaphors in line, people!

AllAboutTheBenjamin

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : It could pay the rent, utilities, faxing and printing your resume. Maybe they don't have a decent outfit for interviews it could buy that. It could pay for the bus ticket to the job interview. It could pay all sorts of things.
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]

Yeah, for like a month maybe.

Unless those TVs you're selling are made of pure gold and come with diamond encrusted clickers.

ggirl2001

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : It could pay the rent, utilities, faxing and printing your resume. Maybe they don't have a decent outfit for interviews it could buy that. It could pay for the bus ticket to the job interview. It could pay all sorts of things.
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]


So selling my clothes and jewelry would get me a nice outfit for an interview???

color me confused.

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]If people want to sell their things to get money to pay for other stuff, fine. However, <strong>they've shown studies where poor people sold their "non-essential" stuff, and in the end, the people were still poor, they just had less stuff.</strong>  And sometimes they were in worse positions because they were now poor with NO EQUITY. I can't see how this conversation is going to go well for you, Robot, so I suggest that you back away.
Posted by mica178[/QUOTE]

That would be an interesting study to see.

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]I'm still confused by the fact that you originally said you'd sell you house and then after reasons were given not to came back and said that no, that was a necessity. Backpedal much?
Posted by dumdumfroggie[/QUOTE]

No, you didn't read my post right. That's not what it said. Read that last sentence again a couple times. It probably didn't make much sense if you read it fast or I did a poor job of making what I meant clear.

emilyinchile

Robot, I don't think anyone's saying that if you live in a mansion with two luxury cars, all sorts of diamond jewelry, the latest electronics, etc, and you find yourself suddenly broke, you should just go on living your life as usual. Obviously not.

But you actually said "It's just not OK for someone to have something of value like that and use food stamps." Begrudging someone on food stamps ONE valuable thing is not the same as arguing that people should try to help themselves financially. One is common sense, and the other is just heartless.

crfische

Yup. Sure.

Or, you can recognize you need help, and bear the burden of going to the courthouse and signing over your dignity to be on government assistance, while people like you sit back smugly and silently judge them as they do something they're completely ashamed and embarrassed about having to do, while making sure they wear no name brand clothes, and look like shiit because that's what poor people do, right? So people LIKE YOU don't judge them...but who are we kidding. You're going to anyway, because you're a much better person than they are.

Being on government assistance isn't something people are typically proud of. It's not easy. It's not even easy to QUALIFY for it to help with the burden.

So you know what? Fuuck your hat. And then? Go fuuck your hat.

StephBeanWed61502

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : It could pay the rent, utilities, faxing and printing your resume. <strong>Maybe they don't have a decent outfit for interviews it could buy that. </strong>It could pay for the bus ticket to the job interview. It could pay all sorts of things.
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]

But I'm poor.  You just told me to sell my non-essentials, so I sold my nice clothes.  So I sold my nice clothes... to pay for nice clothes? 

Have you ever met anyone who was poor?  No?  Didn't think so.

ggirl2001

I had an aunt that retired, then got lung cancer. Her insurance and retirement was not going to cover the bills, so she went on public assistance. It was very hard for her to do this. 
 Should we have told her to sell the new furniture she had just gotten for the new apartment she moved into? The first new furniture she had bought in over 20 years? Got it. Should she have sold her mother's jewelry to help pay for her meds or her rent? Really?

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : Okay but what about the next time you need to pay rent or utilities?
Posted by edielaura[/QUOTE]

Maybe you'll have a job by then? Maybe you've received help from a charity? Maybe you moved in with a friend so you didn't have to pay rent?

ggirl2001

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : Maybe you'll have a job by then? Maybe you've received help from a charity? Maybe you moved in with a friend so you didn't have to pay rent?
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]
That doesn't even make sense! So let me sell my home, move me and my hypothetical children to live with a friend, and not give her money for this? I think that would be harder for a person than accepting public assistance. And charities don't help constantly, each month. So the next month, what would that person be using? Oh that's right, public assistance.

crfische

Yeah, super easy to get a job these days.

Maybe they've received help from a charity... So. Charity is fine, but government assistance isn't.

And your kids? What about them? A single woman moving in with a friend is one thing. Moving your whole family? Not so much.


AND THEN THE WHOLE PSYCHOLOGICAL WELL BEING THING.

AllAboutTheBenjamin

I think another thing you assume, Robot, is that all people who are on food stamps go on them as soon as they hit the skids.  Like it's a reflex or something.  Assistance programs are generally a last resort for most folks.  A lot of people on these programs are people who experience chronic poverty and therefore would not have many things of significant value to sell in the first place (unless of course they were gifted, and as we've been discussing, they shouldn't be forced to sell their stuff anyway).

For example, if I lost my job, I wouldn't rush out to sell my things to avoid getting on food stamps.  I'd be busting my ass getting a job.  You know, waiting tables, being a cashier, I dunno, mopping floors somewhere.  Anything that would get me a paycheck to pay my bills.  And if it did come down to having to go on food stamps, I'm still not going to sell my shiit.  I do have some nice things but they wouldn't help my situation more than a job at say, McDonald's would.

This is me just making an assumption about you, though.  I suppose this makes me an asshole.

StephBeanWed61502

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : Maybe you'll have a job by then? Maybe you've received help from a charity? Maybe you moved in with a friend so you didn't have to pay rent?
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]

Are there no prisons?  Are there no workhouses?

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]Robot, I don't think anyone's saying that if you live in a mansion with two luxury cars, all sorts of diamond jewelry, the latest electronics, etc, and you find yourself suddenly broke, you should just go on living your life as usual. Obviously not. But you actually said <strong>" It's just not OK for someone to have something of value like that and use food stamps."</strong> Begrudging someone on food stamps ONE valuable thing is not the same as arguing that people should try to help themselves financially. One is common sense, and the other is just heartless.
Posted by emilyinchile[/QUOTE]

I used a poor choice of words. I can't take it back.

ggirl2001

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : I used a poor choice of words. I can't take it back.
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]
Uh actually you can. You can stop trying to convince us that people should sell their things if they are on public assistance.

crfische

Aw, Eff. I thought Russell and Katy were gonna make it. Sad day.

LP11509

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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: I judge.. : Maybe you'll have a job by then? Maybe you've received help from a charity? <strong>Maybe you moved in with a friend so you didn't have to pay rent?</strong>
Posted by ILoveToRobot[/QUOTE]

<div>Except that most apartments require leases, and there is a pretty steep penalty for breaking them. </div>

Stackeye210

Ok let me school you robot. My dad died and then my mom got layed off in the same year. She went from comfortable living to no income. She got a job making $10 an hour, it was all she could get to support herself and my brother. She mad $16 a month too much to get food stamps. She moved to a smaller house, lost her car and downgraded every part of her life and still couldn't put food on the table. Before my dad got sick they bought a $5000 living room set. Guess how much she got when she sold it a few pieces of it? $500. You can't sell your personal treasures and think you'll make enough to help you. Then as if her life wasn't on the downward spiral as it was it turned out my dad had hidden tax issues. Since he was dead it was her responsibility. Her $10 an hour was now being garnished, except don't think that means she qualified for food stamps then though, because she didn't. You could look my mom up and down and never for a second think for a second she was broke. She was in a bad place in her life. She lost 50 pounds in a year because she had to feed my brother first. You don't know and you can't speculate. Shiit happens to people who were once well off. I don't care if this is an I judge thread, stop judging that stuff. And Chrissy, you may think you know but you seriously have a twisted naiive grasp on reality. People lie and that guy is bragging and exaggerating to you.

ErinG93

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[QUOTE]Aw, Eff. I thought Russell and Katy were gonna make it. Sad day.
Posted by crfische[/QUOTE]

<div>
</div><div>Are they getting a divorce? Damn. They were my freebie "swap" partners. Well, kinda. I told H if they offered me a threesome I'd go for it.</div>

AllAboutTheBenjamin

Slow clap for Stacks.

crfische

Yup. Russell filed today.

TEAM STACKS

LP11509

Also?  I tried to get assistance for electric/gas bills for several clients last year.  Every single charity that had funding for this was completely out of money.  And the wait list for the energy assistance program through PEPCO was 6 months long just to get an APPOINTMENT to go and talk about qualifying. 

ILoveToRobot

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[QUOTE]Yeah, super easy to get a job these days. <strong>Maybe they've received help from a charity... So. Charity is fine, but government assistance isn't</strong>. And your kids? What about them? A single woman moving in with a friend is one thing. Moving your whole family? Not so much. AND THEN THE WHOLE PSYCHOLOGICAL WELL BEING THING.
Posted by crfische[/QUOTE]

This is a whole other debate that I won't even get into. I'm bored now thanks for the entertainment today. Have a nice new year.

ErinG93

Robot, do you also judge people on disability?