In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:87457286-3f71-4ed5-888c-105667714af5">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I don't know how I feel about no rewards in prisons for good behavior. IDK, just seems like especially in a low-security prison that positive reinforcement is something to think about. It can't be all or nothing IMO, no matter if you think TV Is okay or all work and no play is the way to go. Do I think they should get to lounge around and watch the Price is Right all day? No. But I don't know that going to the exact extreme is the right way either. Posted by rachers1017[/QUOTE]
I agree that rewards for good behavior are crucial. I just don't think those rewards need to be hours upon hours of TV per week. To me, a reward is being able to watch a movie at the end of a week if you had good behavior. Our prison system has warped views of "rewards" for good behavior. It's to the point that they are coddling prisoners out of fear of revolt, which makes the prisoners living conditions better than those of many people who are free.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:75a6b986-10c0-4ea8-90f9-dfd486116380">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]. UO: I think it's ridiculous for people to expect that stricter gun laws will lead to less crime. Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE] I agree with that...but I also think the "fewer gun laws!" folks I've seen on FB are freaking stupid. <div> </div><div>Like "If someone in that theatre had a gun on them, there wouldn't have been so many people dead/injured!!!" A) How do you know no one had a gun? B) How do you know that the gun owner(s) didn't just believe that it wasn't a good move to try to shoot a lunatic with automatic weapons? C) Everyone with a legal firearm isn't going to be the type to stand up and shoot someone if there's chaos going on. </div><div> </div><div>It's ridiculous. </div>
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:f625b71a-8204-4e0f-a2ec-c73d3410012e">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I read an article a while back about a stray cat (I think?) wandering into a prison somehow and the prisoners started taking care of her and playing with her and whatnot. Having an animal around really helped a lot of them, apparently. It was a really sweet story. Posted by LeiselEB[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the dog therapy thing really helps rehabilitate and teach inmates how to access the responsibility and compassion that they may have been missing before. I totally cried during the newstory when one yellow lab was trained by an inmate and given to an Iraq war vet who had PTSD as a therapy dog. The vet came back to visit the inmate with the dog and the inmate just cried he was so happy to see the pup again.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:db6d35bd-0fc8-4838-a0c4-be190a2c46db">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : This may be a case of me mistaking TV for real life, but I though they did some of that stuff. No? Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE] I believe some of them do...but I know they have housekeepers for the bathrooms and stuff in some of the prisons in MS. And they have librarians (SHAWSHANK ANYONE!?!?) and people who staff the kitchens. I dont think EVERYONE has a job to do.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:9473e441-33ec-4f39-a399-7677fa0f1fda">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I don't think I support the death penalty (though I do have mixed views on it) but I do think prisoners who are sentenced to life in prison or are on death row should have minimal medical care - they should be treated to the point they're not in pain, but when I hear about people sentenced to life in prison who get great health care better than most people who aren't criminals (including things like organ transplants, etc.) it upsets me. What's the point of paying thousands and thousands of dollars for someone to get an organ transplant (when those things are hard to come by as is) if they're going to spend the rest of their life behind bars? Treat them enough so that they are kept in humane conditions, but no life-sustaining procedures. Posted by djhar[/QUOTE] Yuppers.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:28586c4d-117a-48c9-9045-c201a16a91c3">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : First, holy fuckballs I am so sorry to hear that, Mehg. :( Second, I totally agree with you about the gun laws. Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
We grew up together, we were only 9 months apart. In fact, my H has the same birthday as her (except one year later), and my BIL has the same birthday but 3 years earlier. It's like losing a sister.
We didn't even find out until about 3 months after it happened, because she had been known to kinda disappear with her boyfriend for a while. It was only when her friend (who witnessed it) was telling another girl at a party about it, who brought it up to our uncle since she recognized the name. The girl who witnessed it was so afraid that she wouldn't even go to the police herself, she wrote her confession on a piece of paper and gave it over to her friend along with the clothes from the hotel room, and her friend gave it to our uncle who gave it to the police (wow, that was confusing).
I was in AK at the time, so I flew to Seattle, picked up my mom, and we flew to CA. My aunt (her mom) had no idea. When she opened the front door and saw me, my mom, my uncle, my other aunt, and my granddad at her front door, she instantly knew what was up. Telling her about it was probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my entire life.
I mainly just want closure for my aunt, and for the rest of my family. The whole not-knowing-if-he'll-get-convicted situation sucks bigtime. I have a sneaking doubt that he'll walk, which pisses me off to no end. Dirtbag.
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In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:df17466e-fd40-45dd-a809-0bc830cfc517">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I agree that rewards for good behavior are crucial. I just don't think those rewards need to be hours upon hours of TV per week. To me, a reward is being able to watch a movie at the end of a week if you had good behavior. Our prison system has warped views of "rewards" for good behavior. It's to the point that they are coddling prisoners out of fear of revolt, which makes the prisoners living conditions better than those of many people who are free. Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE] Yup. I agree with this. You get books, you get board games, you get to go outside and play with your friends. You get a movie at the end of the week if you're good. You don't get to watch Desprate Housewives and True Blood.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:f4d23eb5-15e1-41e5-b935-a91ce24beb09">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I agree with that...but I also think the "fewer gun laws!" folks I've seen on FB are freaking stupid. Like "If someone in that theatre had a gun on them, there wouldn't have been so many people dead/injured!!!" A) How do you know no one had a gun? B) How do you know that the gun owner(s) didn't just believe that it wasn't a good move to try to shoot a lunatic with automatic weapons? C) Everyone with a legal firearm isn't going to be the type to stand up and shoot someone if there's chaos going on. It's ridiculous. Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:8cf7ec92-ff7f-462d-bf3a-502f6c6a0ad1">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. <strong>However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all</strong>. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target. Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:f0246157-3d26-457f-9956-2d4920abf722">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]Megh, that's terrible. Today is the two year anniversary of my friend's fiancee' being murdered. The guy who killed her (and stabbed her over 100 times) was out on parole and skipped several meetings with his parole officer yet was out on the street. Then, after the murder, he skipped town and went to Mexico (where he was originally from). Eventually, they got him extradited. Now he's serving life in prison - 3 violent crimes later. It was a nightmare for her family and my friend and his family. Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Oh my goodness, that's awful. My heart goes out to her family. That he skipped town to go to Mexico is infuriating. I'm surprised they were able to track him down, but I'm glad they did. It's a shame it took three more violent crimes to bring him, though, but at least he's behind bars where he belongs. May he rot.
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In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:8cf7ec92-ff7f-462d-bf3a-502f6c6a0ad1">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. <strong>However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target.</strong> Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE] Exactly.<div> </div><div>I just don't "get" guns in general - I'm kind of a weirdo like that I guess. Brian wants me to have one, but it makes me extremely uncomfrortable. I don't WANT people around me to have them, TBH. </div>
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:9473e441-33ec-4f39-a399-7677fa0f1fda">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I don't think I support the death penalty (though I do have mixed views on it)<strong> but I do think prisoners who are sentenced to life in prison or are on death row should have minimal medical care - they should be treated to the point they're not in pain, but when I hear about people sentenced to life in prison who get great health care better than most people who aren't criminals</strong> (including things like organ transplants, etc.) it upsets me. What's the point of paying thousands and thousands of dollars for someone to get an organ transplant (when those things are hard to come by as is) if they're going to spend the rest of their life behind bars? Treat them enough so that they are kept in humane conditions, but no life-sustaining procedures. Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Sort of along the same lines, but there was a guy around here who went out and robbed a bank, so he could go to prison to get health care benefits, because he thought he had cancer. He just got out and is now apparently writing a book about it. (I don't know why the fluck anyone would read that, but whatever).
I saw that, Gurrl. He asked for like a dollar and sat on a bench in the lobby until the cops came so he could get medical treatment. That's JACKED UP. And people who just keep commiting small crimes so they can go back to jail and have food/shelter? WRONG.
It's like people don't have morals anymore.
I'm not saying it's fun to not have food/shelter...but go to a shelter...don't go to prison.
I think it just may depend on the facility itself. I think that some allow like, an hour a week or something.
I think that if you did something that is deserving of life in prison or the DP, I don't think you should get any tv. I think that basically, your life should be miserable. If you've taken a life, and you didn't get the DP, then why should you get to have any type of luxuries? You killed someone. I agree that they should get shiiity medical coverage, since people that DON'T kill people get shiity medical coverage, and you should get your news through reading, not through the tv. I also don't think you should get to spend your time playing Monopoly either.
If you get life in prison with no chance of parole, why should you get any comforts? You obviously did something bad, and that was a CHOICE. Nobody made this asshat shoot a gun during the movie, nobody made that kid kill his grandparents, nobody made Timothy McVey bomb that building in OK...those were all choices, and I feel like they should pay for those choices.
That's my opinion, but I'm probably a b, so there's that.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:8cf7ec92-ff7f-462d-bf3a-502f6c6a0ad1">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. <strong>I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target</strong>. Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
Precisely. I don't think there's any real way to know how to act in that type of situation. There's just so many unknowns.
And on gun laws: I know it goes without saying, but a sociopath like James Holmes is going to get his hands on some sort of device (be it grenades, or napalm, guns or what have you) regardless of the laws, because those types of people truly believe they're above the law somehow. It's so twisted.
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In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:51a0df1f-4740-4b2b-a27f-5091c477efc0">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]I saw that, Gurrl. He asked for like a dollar and sat on a bench in the lobby until the cops came so he could get medical treatment. That's JACKED UP. And people who just keep commiting small crimes so they can go back to jail and have food/shelter? WRONG. It's like people don't have morals anymore. I'm not saying it's fun to not have food/shelter...but go to a shelter...don't go to prison. Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I think that says more about our health care and welfare systems than it does about the individual.
"Halloween may have loose women scantily clad... But Christmas has a pregnant virgin.
I don't agree with a lot of privileges in prison. Not sure how I feel about the healthcare one.
I think if there are people getting gung ho against guns because of this guy, they are an idiot. Sorry. I think there is a logical failure in the sentiment that stricter gun laws would prevent this.
I eventually want a CCP and strongly believe in the 2nd amendment.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:c6010dcf-9fb6-4a06-ad65-cbd19ec1e328">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I think that says more about our health care and welfare systems than it does about the individual. Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE] True...but I think it says a lot about an individual who abuses it as well.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:cf9bc084-1038-462f-b776-a05ed0ee80f0">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : True...but I think it says a lot about an individual who abuses it as well. Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I see it less as abuse and more as desperation.
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In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:1b0bbb67-daad-4b07-a734-1b89233ee500">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Precisely. I don't think there's any real way to know how to act in that type of situation. There's just so many unknowns. And on gun laws: I know it goes without saying, but a sociopath like James Holmes is going to get his hands on some sort of device (be it grenades, or napalm, guns or what have you) regardless of the laws, because those types of people truly believe they're above the law somehow. It's so twisted. Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]
I agree. I can't stand the people who are all "See! THIS is why we need stricter gun laws". Guns and access to them aren't the problem. People are the problem. IT makes me think of that tshirt that guy wears in Happy Gilmore that says "Guns don't kill people, I kill people". It's like that.
And oh man I am so sorry to hear about your cousin *hugs*
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:ab2d54a0-da5d-4ed8-ac72-b048233ac5e3">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I see it less as abuse and more as desperation. Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE] I guess I'm more on the "why not be desperate the legal way?" side of the fence. But I've also never been anywhere near that desprate so I have no idea how I'd react.
Well, the dude was wearing protective armor and bulletproof vests, so even if someone did have a gun and decided to shoot the shooter (in the midst of people running around, darkness, tear gas, and chaos), it probably wouldn't have stopped him anyway. And that's if the bullet hid the shooter, and not one of the innocent people trying to escape with their lives.
I'd be PISSED if some vigilante killed him. That's the easy way out for him.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding%20BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:53b27495-1709-4e59-aad1-e2522c4ad71f">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I guess I'm more on the "why not be desperate the legal way?" side of the fence. But I've also never been anywhere near that desprate so I have no idea how I'd react. Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
As a CHL holder, I can say that there is no way in hell that I would have even drawn my weapon in the darkened theater... no way, even if I'd had a clear shot. Too much danger of hitting an innocent in all of that melee. I can say that I totally would have hit the deck, well FI would have tossed me on the floor and told me to stay down. He may or may not have tried to capture the shooter...it would depend on the entire situation. He's a cop, and that's his job.
I know that he would have assessed and then either acted or not. If he couldn't act, he'd have shielded me and I woud totally listen to any instructions he gave me. That's how he's been trained and I trust him with my life.
Honestly, he'd probably not been able to do anything, anyway. That theater and the whole place was one big panic situation.
In Response to <a href="http://forums.theknot.com/Sites/theknot/Pages/Main.aspx/wedding-boards_etiquette_wfl-opinions-unpop-or-not-irritations-irrational-or-not?plckFindPostKey=Cat:Wedding BoardsForum:9Discussion:18c8bb11-ca6b-405f-ad82-0eba77530d76Post:1da1b49f-a473-4d1d-aaa3-298accd35a4d">Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not</a>: [QUOTE]As a CHL holder, I can say that there is no way in hell that I would have even drawn my weapon in the darkened theater... no way, even if I'd had a clear shot. Too much danger of hitting an innocent in all of that melee. I can say that I totally would have hit the deck, well FI would have tossed me on the floor and told me to stay down. He may or may not have tried to capture the shooter...it would depend on the entire situation. He's a cop, and that's his job. I know that he would have assessed and then either acted or not. If he couldn't act, he'd have shielded me and I woud totally listen to any instructions he gave me. That's how he's been trained and I trust him with my life. Honestly, he'd probably not been able to do anything, anyway. That theater and the whole place was one big panic situation. Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]
I was reading today (not sure how true it is) that there were two different guys in that tehater that died throwing their gfs on the floor and shielding them.
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[QUOTE]I don't know how I feel about no rewards in prisons for good behavior. IDK, just seems like especially in a low-security prison that positive reinforcement is something to think about. It can't be all or nothing IMO, no matter if you think TV Is okay or all work and no play is the way to go. Do I think they should get to lounge around and watch the Price is Right all day? No. But I don't know that going to the exact extreme is the right way either.
Posted by rachers1017[/QUOTE]
I agree that rewards for good behavior are crucial. I just don't think those rewards need to be hours upon hours of TV per week. To me, a reward is being able to watch a movie at the end of a week if you had good behavior. Our prison system has warped views of "rewards" for good behavior. It's to the point that they are coddling prisoners out of fear of revolt, which makes the prisoners living conditions better than those of many people who are free.
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[QUOTE]. UO: I think it's ridiculous for people to expect that stricter gun laws will lead to less crime.
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]
I agree with that...but I also think the "fewer gun laws!" folks I've seen on FB are freaking stupid. <div>
</div><div>Like "If someone in that theatre had a gun on them, there wouldn't have been so many people dead/injured!!!" A) How do you know no one had a gun? B) How do you know that the gun owner(s) didn't just believe that it wasn't a good move to try to shoot a lunatic with automatic weapons? C) Everyone with a legal firearm isn't going to be the type to stand up and shoot someone if there's chaos going on. </div><div>
</div><div>It's ridiculous. </div>
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I read an article a while back about a stray cat (I think?) wandering into a prison somehow and the prisoners started taking care of her and playing with her and whatnot. Having an animal around really helped a lot of them, apparently. It was a really sweet story.
Posted by LeiselEB[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the dog therapy thing really helps rehabilitate and teach inmates how to access the responsibility and compassion that they may have been missing before. I totally cried during the newstory when one yellow lab was trained by an inmate and given to an Iraq war vet who had PTSD as a therapy dog. The vet came back to visit the inmate with the dog and the inmate just cried he was so happy to see the pup again.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : This may be a case of me mistaking TV for real life, but I though they did some of that stuff. No?
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]
I believe some of them do...but I know they have housekeepers for the bathrooms and stuff in some of the prisons in MS. And they have librarians (SHAWSHANK ANYONE!?!?) and people who staff the kitchens. I dont think EVERYONE has a job to do.
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[QUOTE]I don't think I support the death penalty (though I do have mixed views on it) but I do think prisoners who are sentenced to life in prison or are on death row should have minimal medical care - they should be treated to the point they're not in pain, but when I hear about people sentenced to life in prison who get great health care better than most people who aren't criminals (including things like organ transplants, etc.) it upsets me. What's the point of paying thousands and thousands of dollars for someone to get an organ transplant (when those things are hard to come by as is) if they're going to spend the rest of their life behind bars? Treat them enough so that they are kept in humane conditions, but no life-sustaining procedures.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Yuppers.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : First, holy fuckballs I am so sorry to hear that, Mehg. :( Second, I totally agree with you about the gun laws.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
We grew up together, we were only 9 months apart. In fact, my H has the same birthday as her (except one year later), and my BIL has the same birthday but 3 years earlier. It's like losing a sister.
We didn't even find out until about 3 months after it happened, because she had been known to kinda disappear with her boyfriend for a while. It was only when her friend (who witnessed it) was telling another girl at a party about it, who brought it up to our uncle since she recognized the name. The girl who witnessed it was so afraid that she wouldn't even go to the police herself, she wrote her confession on a piece of paper and gave it over to her friend along with the clothes from the hotel room, and her friend gave it to our uncle who gave it to the police (wow, that was confusing).
I was in AK at the time, so I flew to Seattle, picked up my mom, and we flew to CA. My aunt (her mom) had no idea. When she opened the front door and saw me, my mom, my uncle, my other aunt, and my granddad at her front door, she instantly knew what was up. Telling her about it was probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my entire life.
I mainly just want closure for my aunt, and for the rest of my family. The whole not-knowing-if-he'll-get-convicted situation sucks bigtime. I have a sneaking doubt that he'll walk, which pisses me off to no end. Dirtbag.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I agree that rewards for good behavior are crucial. I just don't think those rewards need to be hours upon hours of TV per week. To me, a reward is being able to watch a movie at the end of a week if you had good behavior. Our prison system has warped views of "rewards" for good behavior. It's to the point that they are coddling prisoners out of fear of revolt, which makes the prisoners living conditions better than those of many people who are free.
Posted by chelseamb11[/QUOTE]
Yup. I agree with this. You get books, you get board games, you get to go outside and play with your friends. You get a movie at the end of the week if you're good. You don't get to watch Desprate Housewives and True Blood.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I agree with that...but I also think the "fewer gun laws!" folks I've seen on FB are freaking stupid. Like "If someone in that theatre had a gun on them, there wouldn't have been so many people dead/injured!!!" A) How do you know no one had a gun? B) How do you know that the gun owner(s) didn't just believe that it wasn't a good move to try to shoot a lunatic with automatic weapons? C) Everyone with a legal firearm isn't going to be the type to stand up and shoot someone if there's chaos going on. It's ridiculous.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. <strong>However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all</strong>. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
I completely agree.
[QUOTE]Megh, that's terrible. Today is the two year anniversary of my friend's fiancee' being murdered. The guy who killed her (and stabbed her over 100 times) was out on parole and skipped several meetings with his parole officer yet was out on the street. Then, after the murder, he skipped town and went to Mexico (where he was originally from). Eventually, they got him extradited. Now he's serving life in prison - 3 violent crimes later. It was a nightmare for her family and my friend and his family.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Oh my goodness, that's awful. My heart goes out to her family. That he skipped town to go to Mexico is infuriating. I'm surprised they were able to track him down, but I'm glad they did. It's a shame it took three more violent crimes to bring him, though, but at least he's behind bars where he belongs. May he rot.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. <strong>However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target.</strong>
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
Exactly.<div>
</div><div>I just don't "get" guns in general - I'm kind of a weirdo like that I guess. Brian wants me to have one, but it makes me extremely uncomfrortable. I don't WANT people around me to have them, TBH. </div>
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[QUOTE]I don't think I support the death penalty (though I do have mixed views on it)<strong> but I do think prisoners who are sentenced to life in prison or are on death row should have minimal medical care - they should be treated to the point they're not in pain, but when I hear about people sentenced to life in prison who get great health care better than most people who aren't criminals</strong> (including things like organ transplants, etc.) it upsets me. What's the point of paying thousands and thousands of dollars for someone to get an organ transplant (when those things are hard to come by as is) if they're going to spend the rest of their life behind bars? Treat them enough so that they are kept in humane conditions, but no life-sustaining procedures.
Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]
Sort of along the same lines, but there was a guy around here who went out and robbed a bank, so he could go to prison to get health care benefits, because he thought he had cancer. He just got out and is now apparently writing a book about it. (I don't know why the fluck anyone would read that, but whatever).
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http://theweek.com/article/index/228229/the-jail-where-every-prisoner-gets-a-flat-screen-tv-and-private-shower
I think it just may depend on the facility itself. I think that some allow like, an hour a week or something.
I think that if you did something that is deserving of life in prison or the DP, I don't think you should get any tv. I think that basically, your life should be miserable. If you've taken a life, and you didn't get the DP, then why should you get to have any type of luxuries? You killed someone. I agree that they should get shiiity medical coverage, since people that DON'T kill people get shiity medical coverage, and you should get your news through reading, not through the tv. I also don't think you should get to spend your time playing Monopoly either.
If you get life in prison with no chance of parole, why should you get any comforts? You obviously did something bad, and that was a CHOICE. Nobody made this asshat shoot a gun during the movie, nobody made that kid kill his grandparents, nobody made Timothy McVey bomb that building in OK...those were all choices, and I feel like they should pay for those choices.
That's my opinion, but I'm probably a b, so there's that.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I do agree with the sentiment that the knowledge of people having guns on them may reduce crime to an extent. However I don't believe it would have changed this situation at all. <strong>I also know that anyone trained appropriately for CCP would know better than to shoot into a dark theater at an unknown target</strong>.
Posted by musicalsunlight[/QUOTE]
Precisely. I don't think there's any real way to know how to act in that type of situation. There's just so many unknowns.
And on gun laws: I know it goes without saying, but a sociopath like James Holmes is going to get his hands on some sort of device (be it grenades, or napalm, guns or what have you) regardless of the laws, because those types of people truly believe they're above the law somehow. It's so twisted.
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[QUOTE]I saw that, Gurrl. He asked for like a dollar and sat on a bench in the lobby until the cops came so he could get medical treatment. That's JACKED UP. And people who just keep commiting small crimes so they can go back to jail and have food/shelter? WRONG. It's like people don't have morals anymore. I'm not saying it's fun to not have food/shelter...but go to a shelter...don't go to prison.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I think that says more about our health care and welfare systems than it does about the individual.
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But Christmas has a pregnant virgin.
Way cooler." - anna.oskar
I think if there are people getting gung ho against guns because of this guy, they are an idiot. Sorry. I think there is a logical failure in the sentiment that stricter gun laws would prevent this.
I eventually want a CCP and strongly believe in the 2nd amendment.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I think that says more about our health care and welfare systems than it does about the individual.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]
True...but I think it says a lot about an individual who abuses it as well.
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : True...but I think it says a lot about an individual who abuses it as well.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I see it less as abuse and more as desperation.
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But Christmas has a pregnant virgin.
Way cooler." - anna.oskar
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : Precisely. I don't think there's any real way to know how to act in that type of situation. There's just so many unknowns. And on gun laws: I know it goes without saying, but a sociopath like James Holmes is going to get his hands on some sort of device (be it grenades, or napalm, guns or what have you) regardless of the laws, because those types of people truly believe they're above the law somehow. It's so twisted.
Posted by mehgank[/QUOTE]
I agree. I can't stand the people who are all "See! THIS is why we need stricter gun laws". Guns and access to them aren't the problem. People are the problem. IT makes me think of that tshirt that guy wears in Happy Gilmore that says "Guns don't kill people, I kill people". It's like that.
And oh man I am so sorry to hear about your cousin *hugs*
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[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I see it less as abuse and more as desperation.
Posted by adamar15[/QUOTE]
I guess I'm more on the "why not be desperate the legal way?" side of the fence. But I've also never been anywhere near that desprate so I have no idea how I'd react.
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I'd be PISSED if some vigilante killed him. That's the easy way out for him.
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: WFL? Opinions - Unpop or Not, Irritations - Irrational or Not : I guess I'm more on the "why not be desperate the legal way?" side of the fence. But I've also never been anywhere near that desprate so I have no idea how I'd react.
Posted by LDYGTR13[/QUOTE]
I am all about agreeing with you today, LDY.
[QUOTE]As a CHL holder, I can say that there is no way in hell that I would have even drawn my weapon in the darkened theater... no way, even if I'd had a clear shot. Too much danger of hitting an innocent in all of that melee. I can say that I totally would have hit the deck, well FI would have tossed me on the floor and told me to stay down. He may or may not have tried to capture the shooter...it would depend on the entire situation. He's a cop, and that's his job. I know that he would have assessed and then either acted or not. If he couldn't act, he'd have shielded me and I woud totally listen to any instructions he gave me. That's how he's been trained and I trust him with my life. Honestly, he'd probably not been able to do anything, anyway. That theater and the whole place was one big panic situation.
Posted by Lizzieyounce[/QUOTE]
I was reading today (not sure how true it is) that there were two different guys in that tehater that died throwing their gfs on the floor and shielding them.
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