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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : You can.  But some are calling for him to be fired, which doesnt really mean he should be afforded the right to say whatever he wants.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I don't think he should be fired for calling a woman a slut. I think he should be fired for in general being a dumbass. ;) But I see what you're saying now. No, I don't think he should be fired for the comment. 

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    I dunno, I think people who have active sex lives to some degree (ie sleeping around a lot) are sluts. I have been that slut, I just dont see the big deal in that word.
  • Plus, whether she is a slut or not doesnt change the fact that she is trying to take away a religious organizations first amendment right.  I have way more of an issue with that than someone calling her a whore.

    I also think this is all just a scheme to get something to write her damn thesis on.
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    [QUOTE]Confession: A small part of me died after reading this article. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html</a>
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]
    lol that dog just doesnt even care. Thats gross. It reminds me of pics of flooding somewhere and spiders climbed up all the trees and they all looked like clouds cause of the webs. Pakistan maybe?
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    [QUOTE]Confession: A small part of me died after reading this article. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html</a>
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

    Isn't that insane? I remember the Pakistan ones from last year. I am ok until I see a close-up with spiders.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I might just have to take you up on that.  I most likely wont look into anything sinus related more until/if I get another one.  However, it would be helpful to have that information so I know a good person to go to.   ... and if he's hot.... :)  PM me the info whenever you get a chance, no rush at all.
    Posted by lbarr088[/QUOTE]

    PM sent!
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  • edited March 2012
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    [QUOTE]Confession: A small part of me died after reading this article. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html">http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html</a>
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]

    <div>Confession, I'm terrified yet in awe.</div><div>
    </div><div>ETA:  Thanks Alli!</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : And if they can't afford the $8/month, perhaps they should just abstain until they have enough money to get BC. Because a kid is way more expensive that BCP or condoms.
    Posted by maratea[/QUOTE]


    I get that side of it Mara.. but honestly, I think there are a VERY small percentage of people out there who <u>truly</u> cannot afford $8/month for BC if they absolutely NEED it.  I know money is tight for a lot of people. But I wouldn't be surprised to hear that many people who say they can't afford the BC go out for at least two beers per month (or some other activity that costs $8 but isn't a necessity like food or rent or something).  I know this sounds harsh and I know it doesn't apply to everyone.. but if BC for sexual purposes is that much of an actual physical need for someone, then that's something they need to weigh when budgeting.

    FTR I only feel this way about people who use it for solely conraceptive purposes. If someone needs it for a medical necessity (like PCOS or something) then I'm all for it beign 100% covered.

    I know this is an unpop op but I don't get why the idea of abstaining is such an offensive idea to people.  I know it sucks, but it's part of being responsible if you can't afford the right contraception.
  • Chels- if you cant afford $8 a month for BCP then you shouldnt be in law school, you should be fucking working.
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  • Maybe abstinence-only education isn't such a bad idea...


    (kidding kidding)
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    Abstinence is weak. I wanna fuckk!
  • This whole idea that its someone elses job to pay for every single aspect of your life is mind blowing to me.
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    [QUOTE]Abstinence is weak. I wanna fuckk!
    Posted by Nebb[/QUOTE]

    Which is why you are a whore slut.  Well, unless you pay for your own BCP's
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    [QUOTE]This whole idea that its someone elses job to pay for every single aspect of your life is mind blowing to me.
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
    Is that why you hate Canada so much? :P
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Which is why you are a whore slut.  Well, unless you pay for your own BCP's
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]
    I totally dont, my insurance covers 80%. I pay 12$ for 3 months worth.
  • How funny would it be if she was in fact a huge slut.  Like if all these dudes came out and were all "Yeah, I totally banged her."
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  • I'm honestly asking-- how is the gov't paying for her education?  Georgetown Law is a private university.
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    [QUOTE]I'm honestly asking-- how is the gov't paying for her education?  Georgetown Law is a private university.
    Posted by Smash Adams[/QUOTE]

    She has a govt grant.
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : <strong>Personally, I've started thinking that student loans should cover education ONLY</strong>.  I don't like that you can get enough of a loan to cover living expenses, etc. I know too many people who are taking out student loans they'll never be able to afford and going back to school only so they'll have the student loan money to cover their living expenses.  I think making it harder to get student loans would make it so only those who are driven to succeed and want to work for it.  Student loans should not be used just so you can spend another 4 years "finding yourself" before getting a job.
    Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]

    I don't agree with this. My tuition was covered on an athletic scholarship, but my work study program paid minimum wage and I could only work so many hours per week. It wasn't enough to cover everything it needed to, so the loan was a helpful supplement for what I needed, and I paid it back within 6 months of graduating so that I didn't have to pay any interest. I do agree that too many students see it as free play money that they don't think about having to pay back, but our government's sort of doing the same thing, so I don't know the best solution there.
  • Nicole- did you scholarship say you had to take a work study program or did you have the option of finding your own employment?
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    [QUOTE]Nicole- did you scholarship say you had to take a work study program or did you have the option of finding your own employment?
    Posted by Blueyed228[/QUOTE]

    I think I had to participate in it, but I never questioned it to confirm that 100%. I didn't have a car my first couple years of school so working on campus was a lot more appealing anyway.
  • It seems like there were girls who didn't have a work study job so it probably was optional.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : Personally, I've started thinking that student loans should cover education ONLY.  I don't like that you can get enough of a loan to cover living expenses, etc. I know too many people who are taking out student loans they'll never be able to afford and going back to school only so they'll have the student loan money to cover their living expenses.  I think making it harder to get student loans would make it so only those who are driven to succeed and want to work for it.  <strong>Student loans should not be used just so you can spend another 4 years "finding yourself" before getting a job.
    </strong>Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]

    If you can pay them back once you get that job, I don't care how much you take out in student loans. 
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I guess basically: it doesn't seem to be helping most Indian people. I get that they want to hold on to their culture, but I see a lot of negatives: high poverty, alcoholism, drug addiciton, teenage pregnancy, low graduation rates, etc etc. and I think there are ways to retain your culture without being having a reservation. I also do not like the separate policing systems they have. It has been my experience that they are not held as accountable in those systems vs what they would have if they were not in a tribal court system.
    Posted by KateJ10[/QUOTE]



    This. Where I live, you can have your motorcycle or bike repossessed on the spot if you get pulled over on the reservation. And they can pretty much pull you over for no reason. I also don't understand how they can get so much money to go to college around here, but the average middle class income kid who has excellent grades and extracurriculars can get none. I'm a grad student at the state university and so many kids from my sibling's high schools who totally deserve some aid. But none of the scholarships or other funds ever get awarded to them and many of them need it just as badly as anyone.

    I also completely do not agree with the statement that we "owe" them anything. Yes, we took over their land and treated many of them unfairly and many died. However, I think we have certainly made up for it and it is a little ridiculous that they do not pay taxes. I agree that all this preferential treatment has certainly not helped them, but I don't know if stopping it will be the only way to change that.

    Rant over. This is a hot topic out here because we see the effects daily. Most people disagree with me, but hey, that's what this thread is for.
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  • edited March 2012
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : This. Where I live, you can have your motorcycle or bike repossessed on the spot if you get pulled over on the reservation. And they can pretty much pull you over for no reason.<strong> I also don't understand how they can get so much money to go to college around here, but the average middle class income kid who has excellent grades and extracurriculars can get none.</strong> I'm a grad student at the state university and so many kids from my sibling's high schools who totally deserve some aid. But none of the scholarships or other funds ever get awarded to them and many of them need it just as badly as anyone. I also completely do not agree with the statement that we "owe" them anything. Yes, we took over their land and treated many of them unfairly and many died. However, I think we have certainly made up for it and it is a little ridiculous that they do not pay taxes. I agree that all this preferential treatment has certainly not helped them, but I don't know if stopping it will be the only way to change that. Rant over. This is a hot topic out here because we see the effects daily. Most people disagree with me, but hey, that's what this thread is for.
    Posted by hayis4horses[/QUOTE]

    I'm sorry, but what?  Native American friends of mine say this is their biggest gripe, because if Natives are getting handouts for college, they sure as hell haven't gotten any.

    ETA - also I'm of the belief that you can't get any grants or scholarships if you're not applying for any.  FFS.
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    [QUOTE]Adamar, I would agree. But I don't think most of them can.  They'll get in debt over their ears, never pay it back, and the money will have to come from somewhere. 
    Posted by djhar[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>I agree with Adamar, but I think that a way to combat the issue would be to try and teach students what it means when they take out a loan. So many students don't know the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized loans, what it means to default, etc. There is this massive misunderstanding that a loan is just "free money" and as students gain a better understanding of how loans work they realize they may have screwed themselves earlier in their education. 

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : This. Where I live, you can have your motorcycle or bike repossessed on the spot if you get pulled over on the reservation. And they can pretty much pull you over for no reason. I also don't understand how they can get so much money to go to college around here, but the average middle class income kid who has excellent grades and extracurriculars can get none. I'm a grad student at the state university and so many kids from my sibling's high schools who totally deserve some aid. But none of the scholarships or other funds ever get awarded to them and many of them need it just as badly as anyone. I also completely do not agree with the statement that we "owe" them anything.<strong><u> Yes, we took over their land and treated many of them unfairly and many died.</u></strong> However, I think we have certainly made up for it and it is a little ridiculous that they do not pay taxes. I agree that all this preferential treatment has certainly not helped them, but I don't know if stopping it will be the only way to change that. Rant over. This is a hot topic out here because we see the effects daily. Most people disagree with me, but hey, that's what this thread is for.
    Posted by hayis4horses[/QUOTE]

    Hey, speak for yourself. I didnt do shiit. Neither did my "people".  My people were not even here yet!
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    edited March 2012
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I'm sorry, but what?  Native American friends of mine say this is their biggest gripe, because if Natives are getting handouts for college, they sure as hell haven't gotten any.
    Posted by AllAboutTheBenjamin[/QUOTE]<div>
    </div><div>They probably would, if they filled out the FAFSA. Being a (likely) low-income minority would probably allow them aid. Also, natives get money when they turn 18. I think it's 18, maybe 16. 

    </div><div>ETA: Not that the money they receive is for college, but it could be used for that. I don't know more specifics about the money they receive when turn 18. You might have to be 100% Native American, or live on a reservation, etc. I don't know.</div>
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Unpop ops/flameable confessions : I agree with Adamar, but I think that a way to combat the issue would be to try and teach students what it means when they take out a loan. So many students don't know the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized loans, what it means to default, etc. There is this massive misunderstanding that a loan is just "free money" and as students gain a better understanding of how loans work they realize they may have screwed themselves earlier in their education. 
    Posted by ErinG93[/QUOTE]


    I think before students can take out those massive loans most (if not all) are required to complete loan counseling, so they understand what they're getting into.  Whether or not they take anything from it is up to them.
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